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Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
I've just read a poll on fightnews Fightnews Poll and looking at it not many people on there seem to give Taylor a chance. I on the other hand have got a gut feeling that he is going to produce an upset, last time he was this big an underdog was when he was ending Hopkins' 12 year unbeaten run, so he definitley has been in this boat before and I think he may well do it again and get his topsy turvy career back on track. I think Kessler ends up overall winner in the super six though.
Does anyone else think that Taylor takes Abraham or have i just lost my mind lol?
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Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
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As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.
Most likely on points.
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As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.
Most likely on points.
No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act
Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!
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Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
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TigerFan
As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.
Most likely on points.
No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act
Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!
Yep, Taylor is gonna have to knock him out to get a Draw ;)
I think Abraham will win on points and probably deservingly
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hattonthehammer
Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
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Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.
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Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.
Don't see it...
I'm lookin forward to this fight. The way I see this is that is that Abraham fights in spurts. If Abraham really was an impressive pressure fighter not giving his opponent time to breath I would say that Taylor would get stopped inside 9 rounds maybe less. AA's tendency to fight in spurts really gives Taylor a chance to school Abraham in my opinion.
I say Taylor really is too fast, too slick and as we saw against Froch's granite chin, he punches hard, so this being said, if Taylor can have better footwork than against Froch, I think that unless Abraham ups his workrate to somethin I haven't seen from him before, wearing Taylor out and stopping him, I see this as a wide UD for Taylor, which in Germany, well, we all know what that can mean in Germany.
I'm really not sold on Abraham just yet. If someone can tell me who he has fought or show me a really impressive win, aside from a Miranda who was completely schooled by Andre Ward maybe i'll rethink things. Hell, if Lajuan Simon can take Abraham the distance and, although he got beat, land some good shots of his own then he's in for a long night against Taylor .
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im going taylor in this one, going to be putting a wager on it as well.
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hattonthehammer
Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
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Nameless
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hattonthehammer
Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice. There is no score to settle; there is no maybe next time. End of story. And Taylor lost four of the 7 rounds to Pavlik in the first fight and if you are running out of gas in the first half of a fight, you don't belong boxing on the elite level. No, it wasn't that he ran out of gas, it was that he was beat by a better boxer. Don't take credit away from Kelly for that win. The second fight was more of the same, but in that fight Taylor fought until the ending bell and still lost. In the second fight, it was Pavlik's right that put the fright in Taylor. In terms of Froch, there are two ways to look at his Taylor fight. The first view is kinder on him: he travelled across the pond to fight Taylor in the biggest fight of his career. The crowd was heavily on Taylor's side and the stadium was packed. It is normal that Froch would take a few rounds to get in his groove. I was at the fight and we could sense that the tide began to turn at around round 7. Championship rounds are called championship rounds for a reason - that's when champions are made. The other way to look at Froch's victory over Taylor is that he was outclassed and Taylor just ran out of gas. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Froch proves he is among the best at 168 if he beats Dirrell because beating Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell back-to-back-to-back, is no fluke.
Anyway, the post was about Taylor's chances against Abraham. My problem with this is not that the fight is in Germany because Jermain Taylor is pretty well-known and liked in Germany; Abraham shouldn't have too much of a bias. I'm sure Abraham would get the nod in a close fight, but he should get the nod in a close fight. Taylor can outbox Abraham for the first four or five rounds, but I question what happens when Abraham connects. Taylor can win if he can stay away from AA's big punches; I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik. My main criticism of Abraham is that his biggest victory is over Khoren Ghevor. You can't really claim to be the best if your biggest victory is over Ghevor. Ghevor is very good. Don't get me wrong, but you get my point. It's a shame Sturm wouldn't fight Abraham. That would have settled a lot at middleweight.
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I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
i had it dead even going into the last round as did most people ive spoke to who have seen the fight both in real time and a day later on itv when it was actually broadcast here.
Americans seem to go on who is the more dominant fighter while us europeans tend to go on who`s landing the better shots. As said taylor won the 1st 6 rounds and was at least 3points up going into the 7th but even without the stoppage i would of had it 114-112 for froch
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
This will be the lowest punch output fight of the tournament which works in JT's favor, his great jab even if bouncing off Abraham's high guard will look good to the judges eyes. I do think Abraham will catch him late and stop him though, Taylor almost always crumbles in the last few rounds. There is always the chance he hangs in, if he sticks with his jab and spin moves I give him a good shot at the upset, as soon as he decides to trade it's all gonna turn against him though.
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Abraham has a rock solid chin, I think he beats Taylor, lets be honest do you really think Taylor would of entered this event say just after he did the double over Hopkins?? Last chance saloon for Taylor and he will be getting three very nice pay days.
Abraham points or late tko.
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I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
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Ive said it all along from day 1....
taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.
He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.
Taylor wins by late stoppage
I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice. There is no score to settle; there is no maybe next time. End of story. And Taylor lost four of the 7 rounds to Pavlik in the first fight and if you are running out of gas in the first half of a fight, you don't belong boxing on the elite level. No, it wasn't that he ran out of gas, it was that he was beat by a better boxer. Don't take credit away from Kelly for that win. The second fight was more of the same, but in that fight Taylor fought until the ending bell and still lost. In the second
fight, it was Pavlik's
right that put the
fright in Taylor. In terms of Froch, there are two ways to look at his Taylor fight. The first view is kinder on him: he travelled across the pond to fight Taylor in the biggest fight of his career. The crowd was heavily on Taylor's side and the stadium was packed. It is normal that Froch would take a few rounds to get in his groove. I was at the fight and we could sense that the tide began to turn at around round 7. Championship rounds are called championship rounds for a reason - that's when champions are made. The other way to look at Froch's victory over Taylor is that he was outclassed and Taylor just ran out of gas. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Froch proves he is among the best at 168 if he beats Dirrell
because beating Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell back-to-back-to-back, is no fluke.
Anyway, the post was about Taylor's chances against Abraham. My problem with this is not that the fight is in Germany because Jermain Taylor is pretty well-known and liked in Germany; Abraham shouldn't have too much of a bias. I'm sure Abraham would get the nod in a close fight, but he
should get the nod in a close fight. Taylor can outbox Abraham for the first four or five rounds, but I question what happens when Abraham connects. Taylor can win if he can stay away from AA's big punches; I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik. My main criticism of Abraham is that his biggest victory is over Khoren Ghevor. You can't really claim to be the best if your biggest victory is over Ghevor. Ghevor is very good. Don't get me wrong, but you get my point. It's a shame Sturm wouldn't fight Abraham. That would have settled a lot at middleweight.
I never said there was something to settle between JT and Pavlik, i just said that skillwise, taylor should have beaten PAvlik, he did screw up for bad conditioning, too bad for him, I agree, I just say that skill wise he's better than him but he didn't have the conditioning neither the predator's spirit to clear him out of water the first time.
As for Abraham vs the rest, I could see him to slowly break down Froch, Dirrell or Ward but I don't see him beat Kessler. At least, personally that's the one as I see as winning the tournament and eventually fighting Lucian Bute to unify the titles as he has the one remaining (assuming he'll beat Andrade, of course.
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Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.
The only way Abraham has ridiculous conditioning is if you mean its ridiculously bad. Its not that bad but its definitely not great, in fact its gotta be one of his biggest liabilities. He doesn't throw many punches (so I'm not sure how he presses like a bull either) and he still is huffing and puffing a lot.
Both of these guys have conditioning issues, Abraham's might be cause he had a tough time making the weight but he's kind of built like one of those guys who just never has great stamina, tightly built.
I agree with some that this is actually a decent style matchup for Jermain cause of Abraham's lack of activity. I'm still not gonna pick him though.
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I have said in other super 6 threads that Jermain Taylor is an underdog. Though I don't think he wins the tournament I think I put him #3 on this list. People are putting a little too much into AA I feel and people are putting even more into Froch. I don't see either of them doing well that's just me though. The most overrated would have to be Froch where as Jermain is perhaps the most underrated.
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I have said in other super 6 threads that Jermain Taylor is an underdog. Though I don't think he wins the tournament I think I put him #3 on this list. People are putting a little too much into AA I feel and people are putting even more into Froch. I don't see either of them doing well that's just me though. The most overrated would have to be Froch where as Jermain is perhaps the most underrated.
Quite agree, Taylor is damn talented, more than what many can admit, the problem is his lack of stamina or conditioning for the top of the big leagues, knowing he wouldn't lack any at all, I would have difficulties to pick between him and Abraham in my second spot but as it goes now, I see the stamina issue as a huge problem.
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If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.
The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.
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I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.
The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.
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Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.
The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.
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I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.
The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.
With a jaw that was broken so nasty it made Malignaggi's face against Cotto look like a slight bruise.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
.....in a three or four rounder taylor might have a shot. Abraham starts slow and taylor can't manage to even last 12 so maybe. The old killer jab throwing taylor might even last six but not much more than that. Jermain's best chance is to get an injury and let someone else in, at least that way he doesn't get a loss.
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I say this all the time with Taylor. He can beat almost anyone around his weight. His jab is one of the best in the sport. IF he can last the distance.
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I want Taylor to get this but have been thinking him near the end.Still leaning towards Abraham to over come the jab and pull ahead down the stretch for a late tko or comfy dec.Taylor has always struck me a bit repetative,'stands up' after jab,legs look stiff now.
Might or might not be a big factor but Taylors first ever fight overseas...whats the elevation in Gemany?
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Taylor is not only beating Abraham. He winning the whole fukking tournament.
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Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.
The only way Abraham has ridiculous conditioning is if you mean its ridiculously bad. Its not that bad but its definitely not great, in fact its gotta be one of his biggest liabilities. He doesn't throw many punches (so I'm not sure how he presses like a bull either) and he still is huffing and puffing a lot.
Both of these guys have conditioning issues, Abraham's might be cause he had a tough time making the weight but he's kind of built like one of those guys who just never has great stamina, tightly built.
I agree with some that this is actually a decent style matchup for Jermain cause of Abraham's lack of activity. I'm still not gonna pick him though.
Heck, maybe I got this one wrong by what everybody else is saying. But by press I mean Arthur goes forward like a bull. Not very quick but zoned in and no reverse. I think that bodes bad for Taylor. Arthur does fight in spurts but all boxers do that. They have to they have to plan for 36 minutes. I just think Taylor is not a very good pure boxer and someone like Ward or Dirrell would match up better. But this is what makes this Super 6 so nice is that all the matchups bring strong arguments for either guy winning.
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I don't disagree about Taylor but I would say AA fights in spurts more than most people. He probably still beats Taylor. I would actually love it if Jermain won, I'm not a fan of AA and even though I've never been a fan of Jermain he's willing to fight people and could use something to go right for him. Of course I don't want to be melodramatic about that, he's rich, his life isn't exactly a sob story but he could use a win.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
You may be right. I just get too down on Jermain Taylor nowadays since he just doesn't seem to have that fire anymore. I used to love watching him fight. Now when I watch him fight I think he is concerned too much and that gets the best of him. Maybe I am crediting Arthur too much for his Miranda victories but I just think he will beat Taylor because of who Taylor has shown he is or who he has become now. That ferociousness is gone and Taylor is not a pure boxer so what plan does he have if in trouble? I'll be going for Taylor all the way but not with money on the line.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
Taylor needs to be more savvy than he has been in the past. He can outpoint Abraham quite easily with his skills, but he cannot afford to waste too much. Once Taylor starts to fade down the stretch, he really is a worry.
It's incredible how he screwed up against Froch. He really needs to learn from that and reach the finish because if he can do that I can see him being up on the cards.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
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If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch
thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.
kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title
Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
I think Taylor was 3, maybe 4 rounds ahead after 11. If Taylor had've made the bell (even if he hadn't been dropped again) it would've been at 10-7 to Froch, so it could be argued that Froch would've been worth a draw without the stoppage. He was clearly well behind going into the 12th though
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
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Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
I think Taylor was 3, maybe 4 rounds ahead after 11. If Taylor had've made the bell (even if he hadn't been dropped again) it would've been at 10-7 to Froch, so it could be argued that Froch would've been worth a draw without the stoppage. He was clearly well behind going into the 12th though
Going into the 12th and taking official scorecards away I had Froch needing the KO. Thing is, he delivered. Sign of a true champ IMO.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
Abraham likes to fight kind of like Bernard Hopkins, he'll give up the first 3 rounds or so and then turn it on for the rest of the fight....IF JT can pace himself he'll have a very good chance at winning, but he's going to have to use the jab and footspeed to dodge any punches from AA as Abraham has some very underrated power
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
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Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that:)
Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.
The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.
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I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.
The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.
Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
Taylor is a more talented fighter and bigger puncher than Abraham but Taylor cant seem to come into the fight prepared to go 12 rounds........You cant count taylor out but it is also hard to convince myself he will be ready to go 12 rounds....
I wouldnt be surprised if Taylor floors abraham in this fight.........
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Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:
judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102
So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.
The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.
The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.
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I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.
The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.
Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.
I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
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The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.
The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.
The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.
Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.
I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.
I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.
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Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.
I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.
I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.
Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though
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Re: Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?
Taylor will easily outpoint AA who is far too slow.
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I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.
I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.
Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though
It was a headbutt that he lost 2 or 3 points for and it was very fair, it was a brutal cheapshot to a man with his jaw hanging off his face.
The big controversy there was that Abraham quit, he made it clear that he didn't want to fight and Randy Neuman (sp?) just didn't let him quit, he consulted with people ringside and made him continue with a broken jaw.
I don't think Taylor stops him but I think this one will be a very close decision imo.
