Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?

[JazMerkin]

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

[Rantcatrat]

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.



The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

[markb018]

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though

[Master]

Taylor will easily outpoint AA who is far too slow.

[amat]

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though

It was a headbutt that he lost 2 or 3 points for and it was very fair, it was a brutal cheapshot to a man with his jaw hanging off his face.

The big controversy there was that Abraham quit, he made it clear that he didn't want to fight and Randy Neuman (sp?) just didn't let him quit, he consulted with people ringside and made him continue with a broken jaw.

I don't think Taylor stops him but I think this one will be a very close decision imo.

[Nameless]

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

I also think that Abraham won by a fair 4-5 points... and doing so bleeding like a pig with a broken jaw says a lot about the boxer. Taylor is very good, no doubts about it, but the thing is that he doesn't have neither the jaw or stamina to stand up against King Arthur, in my book at least, damn can't wait to see the next step of that tournament as so many answers will be answered.