By Francis Ochoa
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Wow! Omar Henry aka Cotto "clone" will be in the Philippines next week!
Team Pacquiao awaits Cotto ‘clone’ - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
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By Francis Ochoa
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Wow! Omar Henry aka Cotto "clone" will be in the Philippines next week!
Team Pacquiao awaits Cotto ‘clone’ - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
I was also supposed to provide this link after reading the newspaper today.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by punchfan
Nice decision from Roach. Omar Henry will definitely help Pacquaio in his preparations against Cotto.
This is one sign that the Team Pacquaio is not taking this fight lightly.
Even with the typhoon that made many parts of Metro Manila under water, I can't help but be excited with this fight.
Talking of typhoon, another typhoon will be hitting the Philippines again. I hope the world will help the thousands of families in the Philippines who were affected by the last typhoon. Hundreds have died already and thousands are getting sick in the evacuation areas. This is the reason why I'm mad with those politicians in my country. They should have followed the land use map made by burnham for metro manila. Now that many parts of the metro are flooded with water, they're very slow in sending relief goods as they don't have enough rubber boats. Meaning, they're ill-prepared. I believe most of the budget for disaster mitigation are being corrupted again. The government has a budget of P1 billion, I wonder how many goes to the President and his cronies.
I can't help but be dismayed with what's happening in my country. I have relatives in Metro Manila who were also affected by the typhoon and the flooding.:mad:
Nice to hear this one. I do really appreciate how Pacquiao prepares for his upcoming boxing showdown with Miguel Cotto.
Good Luck Manny! Pac Cotto out! :)
Roach does it again. Despite the obvious difference in skill set, Henry is a perfect guy to spar with in preparation of Cotto.
The most discussed thing is his body attack, but it should also be noted that Henry works behind a great jab. If Cotto is to be victorious, he will have to work behind a jab. He will have to set up his body attack through his jab. Roach knows this and not only got a guy who could hurt a body (as lesser trainers would) but also got a guy who can hurt a body and throw a solid jab.
Coach Roach has always does some amazing stuff with his boxers, no wonder Pacman improve much in his guidance. Good Luck team Pacquiao.
i hope with this kind of preparations team pacquiao is doing, it will eventually lead to a win for pac come fight night against cotto. good luck to pac!
I have been reading how Manny has been getting hit too much in sparring, especially by Porter. I also read where Porter would not commit himself wholeheartedly to endorsing Manny in his fight against Cotto. Porter did not seem to be impressed by Manny's power (maybe because he is a junior middleweight), but definitely by his speed. I also read that Arum was a bit disappointed in Manny's sparring when he visited his camp recently. And Roach doesn't know what to predict. First Cotto will be a tough fight, then they are preparing for a 12 rounder, then Manny will knock him out, now back to being a tough fight. Could Roach et al be seeing trouble for Manny at the end of the tunnel? Is Roach perplexed as to how Manny is going to handle Cotto? 6 weeks and counting.
There were also reports that Mayweather wasn't doing well sparring either -.- a guy like Manny who doesn't have great defensive technique definitely needs time to develop his timing in order to be elusive, and that will come. Also Shawn Porter has really quick hands and he is a good boxer, I mean he beat Jacobs to go on the Olympic team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
I don't remember any reports that Mayweather was struggling in sparring, other than hurting his rib, which caused the first postponement of the fight. Perhaps you can enlighten me. Who was causing Floyd problems? Who reported those problems? Team Mayweather? The promoters? Reporters? Holla back.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThere were also reports that Mayweather wasn't doing well sparring either -.- a guy like Manny who doesn't have great defensive technique definitely needs time to develop his timing in order to be elusive, and that will come. Also Shawn Porter has really quick hands and he is a good boxer, I mean he beat Jacobs to go on the Olympic team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Shawn Porter never made the Olympic team. He did beat Jacobs before in the amateurs though. I think Jacobs beat Porter twice though. Porter is the ideal choice for preparing for Cotto. I think Porter has more to offer than Cotto and Omar Henry is a lesser version of Cotto. So Pac does have the best preparation right now for Cotto. And it is common for a guy like Pac to be having hard times in sparring because that is the purpose. You want to pick a guy better and/or bigger so you push the contracted guy to the next level. Porter is a bigger, faster, stronger, and more aggressive version of Cotto. Roach didn't expect Pac to handle Porter, Roach knows Porter's very talented, he expected hard times and that is why he picked a guy such as Porter. Having a hard time against Porter doesn't mean a Cotto victory by no means. Porter only has lesser pro experience than Cotto. Porter as a fighter/sparring partner is not lesser than Cotto. Being able to deal with Porter before the fight is the ideal and is what will mean the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThere were also reports that Mayweather wasn't doing well sparring either -.- a guy like Manny who doesn't have great defensive technique definitely needs time to develop his timing in order to be elusive, and that will come. Also Shawn Porter has really quick hands and he is a good boxer, I mean he beat Jacobs to go on the Olympic team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
So i heard that Omar Henry will not be Pacquiao's sparring partner after all. Is this true?
I also heard Koncz (sp?) isn't too happy with Roach and said something to the effect of "I told Manny to dump Roach long ago".
Are there any truth in these stories, guys?
if that was true i was wondering what could be the problem with roach making koncz say that? :confused: not to mention the rumor that arum as well was not happy with pac's performance in the training.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
i have to dig in with some recent articles in the net concerning this quote.
pac and roach had the best trainer-boxer relationship in recent years imo. it would be a shame if they will have to break that relationship, brings tears in my eyes. :frown:
Shawn Porter was on the US 2008 team. Also Omar Henry could easily become as good as Cotto if not better depending on his chin. He has all the ability in the world, only time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitShawn Porter never made the Olympic team. He did beat Jacobs before in the amateurs though. I think Jacobs beat Porter twice though. Porter is the ideal choice for preparing for Cotto. I think Porter has more to offer than Cotto and Omar Henry is a lesser version of Cotto. So Pac does have the best preparation right now for Cotto. And it is common for a guy like Pac to be having hard times in sparring because that is the purpose. You want to pick a guy better and/or bigger so you push the contracted guy to the next level. Porter is a bigger, faster, stronger, and more aggressive version of Cotto. Roach didn't expect Pac to handle Porter, Roach knows Porter's very talented, he expected hard times and that is why he picked a guy such as Porter. Having a hard time against Porter doesn't mean a Cotto victory by no means. Porter only has lesser pro experience than Cotto. Porter as a fighter/sparring partner is not lesser than Cotto. Being able to deal with Porter before the fight is the ideal and is what will mean the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThere were also reports that Mayweather wasn't doing well sparring either -.- a guy like Manny who doesn't have great defensive technique definitely needs time to develop his timing in order to be elusive, and that will come. Also Shawn Porter has really quick hands and he is a good boxer, I mean he beat Jacobs to go on the Olympic team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
As for Mayweather having difficulties in sparring, they were widely speculated, but Anthony Peterson allegedly got the better of Floyd when they sparred, also there were other rumours that Floyd wasn't looking very good in sparring, Freddie Roach among others brought this up.
This Porter kid's already better than Cotto? Fuck. :-\
Apparently Henry turned it down. If there was ever a real offer, there was somebody a few weeks ago that was rumored to be sparring Manny and Roach just said it was out and out bs.
Jose Luis Castillo
last i heard porter was in the philippines training with pac. They said porter got some good hits on pac but pac is still 40% which Arum wasn't too happy about.
This vid doesn't show much just them two seperately training.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-VW4aSls0I
Sounds like Omar chose college over experiencing training with the best. He didnt want to miss class :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWSsqAorq08
yea cause GOD FORBID any fighter wanting to have a backup plan if he doesn't quite make it as a pro :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
well he could of taken a few weeks off from school, college will always be there oppurtunities wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause GOD FORBID any fighter wanting to have a backup plan if he doesn't quite make it as a pro :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Plus part time boxers dont last, cause like great fighters say. YOu dont play boxing, its not like other sports.
Good for him for being a full time student though.
well Juan Diaz didn't do too shabby, earned himself a degree while being Unified ChampQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwell he could of taken a few weeks off from school, college will always be there oppurtunities wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause GOD FORBID any fighter wanting to have a backup plan if he doesn't quite make it as a pro :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Plus part time boxers dont last, cause like great fighters say. YOu dont play boxing, its not like other sports.
Good for him for being a full time student though.
Yea hopefully Omar can sneak in wins over weak champs and pass it type Freitas. After he unifies, hopefully he doesn't step up to full time Class A champs like Campbell or Elite p4pders like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell Juan Diaz didn't do too shabby, earned himself a degree while being Unified ChampQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwell he could of taken a few weeks off from school, college will always be there oppurtunities wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Plus part time boxers dont last, cause like great fighters say. YOu dont play boxing, its not like other sports.
Good for him for being a full time student though.
I think if he becomes a full time fighter he can be so much better, if his going to be a part time boxer he'll have a shot at being a one hit wonder.
yet you ignore his wins over top guys like Katsidis and Malignaggi (bad scoring, not robbery) and the hell of a fight he gave the elite MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYea hopefully Omar can sneak in wins over weak champs and pass it type Freitas. After he unifies, hopefully he doesn't step up to full time Class A champs like Campbell or Elite p4pders like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell Juan Diaz didn't do too shabby, earned himself a degree while being Unified ChampQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I think if he becomes a full time fighter he can be so much better, if his going to be a part time boxer he'll have a shot at being a one hit wonder.
Eh, good for him. He's still very young in his professional career and if he's as good as they say he is he'll have many more opportunities down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I applaud his commitment to his studies.
Porter never made the Olympic team. Bios | Content | USA Boxing Maybe Omar Henry will be something in the future, thats not easy to predict, but as of right now Omar Henry is a lesser version of Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethShawn Porter was on the US 2008 team. Also Omar Henry could easily become as good as Cotto if not better depending on his chin. He has all the ability in the world, only time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitShawn Porter never made the Olympic team. He did beat Jacobs before in the amateurs though. I think Jacobs beat Porter twice though. Porter is the ideal choice for preparing for Cotto. I think Porter has more to offer than Cotto and Omar Henry is a lesser version of Cotto. So Pac does have the best preparation right now for Cotto. And it is common for a guy like Pac to be having hard times in sparring because that is the purpose. You want to pick a guy better and/or bigger so you push the contracted guy to the next level. Porter is a bigger, faster, stronger, and more aggressive version of Cotto. Roach didn't expect Pac to handle Porter, Roach knows Porter's very talented, he expected hard times and that is why he picked a guy such as Porter. Having a hard time against Porter doesn't mean a Cotto victory by no means. Porter only has lesser pro experience than Cotto. Porter as a fighter/sparring partner is not lesser than Cotto. Being able to deal with Porter before the fight is the ideal and is what will mean the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
As for Mayweather having difficulties in sparring, they were widely speculated, but Anthony Peterson allegedly got the better of Floyd when they sparred, also there were other rumours that Floyd wasn't looking very good in sparring, Freddie Roach among others brought this up.
Daniel Jacobs was beat out by Shawn Estrada, I know that if I'm not mistaken he beat him twice I think ??? I know it was at least once. I'm not sure who beat Porter but I definitely know that Estrada beat Jacobs in the Qualifiers.
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Originally Posted by amat
I can't remember who beat Porter out but I think it was Jacobs who did.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyet you ignore his wins over top guys like Katsidis and Malignaggi (bad scoring, not robbery) and the hell of a fight he gave the elite MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYea hopefully Omar can sneak in wins over weak champs and pass it type Freitas. After he unifies, hopefully he doesn't step up to full time Class A champs like Campbell or Elite p4pders like JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think if he becomes a full time fighter he can be so much better, if his going to be a part time boxer he'll have a shot at being a one hit wonder.
exactly, kat is a decent fighter malignaggi is a decent boxer. jmm is a elite, juan did give him a hell of a fight but by the last few rounds of their fight. JMM had seperated himself level wise from Juan and it was clear, Juan Diaz was not elite level. If probubly Diaz had spent more time in the gym then in a class room he would of gone to the championship rounds with JMM and not fall short by getting ktfo. Funny part about that is JMM actually fought Diazs fight not his and still seperated himself as the much greater fighter.
alot of that having to do with Diaz forcing him on Marquez, and it's not like he slacked off, name another fighter who has 37 pro bouts against solid opposition at only 26 years of age, the fact that he became a unified champion while being a FULL TIME student makes it that much more impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyet you ignore his wins over top guys like Katsidis and Malignaggi (bad scoring, not robbery) and the hell of a fight he gave the elite MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
exactly, kat is a decent fighter malignaggi is a decent boxer. jmm is a elite, juan did give him a hell of a fight but by the last few rounds of their fight. JMM had seperated himself level wise from Juan and it was clear, Juan Diaz was not elite level. If probubly Diaz had spent more time in the gym then in a class room he would of gone to the championship rounds with JMM and not fall short by getting ktfo. Funny part about that is JMM actually fought Diazs fight not his and still seperated himself as the much greater fighter.
...And all this time I feel like I am the only one trying to give the Baby Bull his credit.
The guy is NOT a bad fighter at all and he is still young. I think he beat plenty of good fighters, and later down the road you'll see him beat even greater fighters. As opposed to fighting cream puffs (JCC Jr) or tons of journeymen with an extended Amateur career (Gamboa) he took the mans route. He fought and fought and fought got up the ranks and locked horns with guys that are trying to make a legacy as well.
Too bad he had a tough time against Malanaggi, too bad about coming up short with JMM, but he'll be back! And I, for one, will be watching.
I will hate Juan Diaz until I die............that sounds menacing doesn't it?
The guy fought pro on TV on his high school prom night, he's a real fighter definitely not a part timer. It's possible to juggle both, I'm sure he gets all the same breaks other athletes at the school get. Plus, school is fckin expensive you can't just let that go to waste, if he was registered and paid then his hands were probably tied. Good for Omar Henry, school WON'T always be there I can't stress that enough or everyone would be going to school when there's nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds