Not now obviously but back in the day when floyd was fighting at 126 and felix was simply unstoppable i just cant help but think what would of happened??
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Not now obviously but back in the day when floyd was fighting at 126 and felix was simply unstoppable i just cant help but think what would of happened??
A 126 Mayweather against a 147 Trinidad? What the fukk you think would happen? If you can't answer that yourself than your a bigger idiot than I originally thought you were.
i'd go with answer BQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naturally i assume the posters on the site who arent complete retards will have the fight at 147 pounds.
Go get yourself another fake girlfriend you sad f*ck
naturally i'd think that other posters wouldn't go ahead and state it as a 126 lb Mayweather than :-X, you're digging yourself a hole too deep for even you to come out of budQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naturally i assume the posters on the site who arent complete retards will have the fight at 147 pounds.
Go get yourself another fake girlfriend you sad f*ck
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnaturally i'd think that other posters wouldn't go ahead and state it as a 126 lb Mayweather than :-X, you're digging yourself a hole too deep for even you to come out of budQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naturally i assume the posters on the site who arent complete retards will have the fight at 147 pounds.
Go get yourself another fake girlfriend you sad f*ck
jesus morales what the hells wrong with you tonight. This is albeit stalking..
Your a good poster and you know your stuff. We disagree on hatton end of
lets not spoil every other thread just over a personal argument eh?
PS:If you are gonna get yourself a partner in crime may i suggest you choose anybody other than VD, its kinda like partnering up on a school coach trip with the kid everybody spits at ;D
VD's an asshole but at least he's sincere about it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnaturally i'd think that other posters wouldn't go ahead and state it as a 126 lb Mayweather than :-X, you're digging yourself a hole too deep for even you to come out of budQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
jesus morales what the hells wrong with you tonight. This is albeit stalking..
Your a good poster and you know your stuff. We disagree on hatton end of
lets not spoil every other thread just over a personal argument eh?
PS:If you are gonna get yourself a partner in crime may i suggest you choose anybody other than VD, its kinda like partnering up on a school coach trip with the kid everybody spits at ;D
One would think if they meant 147 they wouldn't refer to back when the fighter was a featherweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naturally i assume the posters on the site who arent complete retards will have the fight at 147 pounds.
Go get yourself another fake girlfriend you sad f*ck
It's pathetic to see someone crave attention so badly they accept being ridiculed and laughed at with no problem. To them it's better than no attention
Go find a job, fukking loser
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naturally i assume the posters on the site who arent complete retards will have the fight at 147 pounds.
Go get yourself another fake girlfriend you sad f*ck
:lol:
At least we agree on this. You're quite right. VD's an asshole and he loves being an asshole in this forum:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesVD's an asshole but at least he's sincere about it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
jesus morales what the hells wrong with you tonight. This is albeit stalking..
Your a good poster and you know your stuff. We disagree on hatton end of
lets not spoil every other thread just over a personal argument eh?
PS:If you are gonna get yourself a partner in crime may i suggest you choose anybody other than VD, its kinda like partnering up on a school coach trip with the kid everybody spits at ;D
;D;D;D
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnaturally i'd think that other posters wouldn't go ahead and state it as a 126 lb Mayweather than :-X, you're digging yourself a hole too deep for even you to come out of budQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
jesus morales what the hells wrong with you tonight. This is albeit stalking..
Your a good poster and you know your stuff. We disagree on hatton end of
lets not spoil every other thread just over a personal argument eh?
PS:If you are gonna get yourself a partner in crime may i suggest you choose anybody other than VD, its kinda like partnering up on a school coach trip with the kid everybody spits at ;D
He is a bonafide stalker on anyone who disagrees with him. :-X:-X:-X
at least i like el terrible. i guess you can get in to some great arguments with him without being an ass hole that much unlike other posters who ridicule other posters like they're the "capo de tutti capi" of this forum.
I think it's more like teaming up with the schoolyard bully who's going to turn on you when he's ran out of other kids to punch.. :boxing2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnaturally i'd think that other posters wouldn't go ahead and state it as a 126 lb Mayweather than :-X, you're digging yourself a hole too deep for even you to come out of budQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
jesus morales what the hells wrong with you tonight. This is albeit stalking..
Your a good poster and you know your stuff. We disagree on hatton end of
lets not spoil every other thread just over a personal argument eh?
PS:If you are gonna get yourself a partner in crime may i suggest you choose anybody other than VD, its kinda like partnering up on a school coach trip with the kid everybody spits at ;D
OK, so how would today's Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight the Felix 'Tito' Trinidad of yesteryear?
I think Floyd would catch a beat down, Tito was a huge welterweight, he had a decent jab, a powerful right cross and an above average left hook....hell an old De la Hoya damn near beat Floyd, a PRIME Trinidad surely would have beaten him
I've always felt Tito was vastly overrated, & with the suspicions about his handwraps, I just don't know. Even though there's a big size difference, I look at what Oscar, Winky & B-Hop did (although all were obviously bigger) & I think that Mayweather pot-shots him to a wide UD. I also never saw how people saw ODLH winning. Even giving him every round where he did something, you can't come up with more than five in his favour for me. I thought it was a typical Oscar fight, where the HBO commentary team made it far closer or far more favourable to Oscar than it actually was (see Oscar-Shane I & II, Oscar-B-Hop, Oscar-Whitaker, even the Sturm & Forbes fights).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Although the Featherweight Mayweather vs Tito doesn't even bare thinking about.
* Btw Bruce, writing 3 posts in a row about VD is what seems like internet stalker behaviour.
floyd and tito pretty much put in the exact same performances in beating hoya.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI've always felt Tito was vastly overrated, & with the suspicions about his handwraps, I just don't know. Even though there's a big size difference, I look at what Oscar, Winky & B-Hop did (although all were obviously bigger) & I think that Mayweather pot-shots him to a wide UD. I also never saw how people saw ODLH winning. Even giving him every round where he did something, you can't come up with more than five in his favour for me. I thought it was a typical Oscar fight, where the HBO commentary team made it far closer or far more favourable to Oscar than it actually was (see Oscar-Shane I & II, Oscar-B-Hop, Oscar-Whitaker, even the Sturm & Forbes fights).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Although the Featherweight Mayweather vs Tito doesn't even bare thinking about.
* Btw Bruce, writing 3 posts in a row about VD is what seems like internet stalker behaviour.
They were both getting beat to the punch early on but both eventually went on to win rounds 8-12 which ultimately gave them both 115-113 wins. Neither put in there best performances above de la hoya because the occasion warranted cautious approaches rather than either man becoming over zealous and allowing oscar to get the upper hand.
Im talking about the trinidad that whopped whittaker, camacho, carr and the floyd who did similar to hatton, marquez and judah.
Trinidad would have the superior jab while floyd would probably have the faster hands and foot movement.
Power wise id have to go with trinidad while floyd would probably have better tactics and be able to dodge a big trinidad right much better than anyone else ever has...
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VD is an A-HOLE! 
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Trinidad would have beat him down. I don't see how he couldn't have really.
The size disparity would have been immense. As far as hypothetical matchups go, I think it would be quite fun considering my dislike of Floyd.
I don't actually hate any fighter, but I do develop aversions to them. Floyd is certainly one of those fighters.
ummm bud that's the funniest thing i've read in a while, winning rnds 8-12 would only be 5 rounds, so it'd be 115-113 in favor of DLH not Mayweather or Trinidad, and if you had either fight scored according to those rounds, don't ever become a judge lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerfloyd and tito pretty much put in the exact same performances in beating hoya.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI've always felt Tito was vastly overrated, & with the suspicions about his handwraps, I just don't know. Even though there's a big size difference, I look at what Oscar, Winky & B-Hop did (although all were obviously bigger) & I think that Mayweather pot-shots him to a wide UD. I also never saw how people saw ODLH winning. Even giving him every round where he did something, you can't come up with more than five in his favour for me. I thought it was a typical Oscar fight, where the HBO commentary team made it far closer or far more favourable to Oscar than it actually was (see Oscar-Shane I & II, Oscar-B-Hop, Oscar-Whitaker, even the Sturm & Forbes fights).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Although the Featherweight Mayweather vs Tito doesn't even bare thinking about.
* Btw Bruce, writing 3 posts in a row about VD is what seems like internet stalker behaviour.
They were both getting beat to the punch early on but both eventually went on to win rounds 8-12 which ultimately gave them both 115-113 wins. Neither put in there best performances above de la hoya because the occasion warranted cautious approaches rather than either man becoming over zealous and allowing oscar to get the upper hand.
Im talking about the trinidad that whopped whittaker, camacho, carr and the floyd who did similar to hatton, marquez and judah.
Trinidad would have the superior jab while floyd would probably have the faster hands and foot movement.
Power wise id have to go with trinidad while floyd would probably have better tactics and be able to dodge a big trinidad right much better than anyone else ever has...
I say Floyd outclasses him. Just too fast, too clever. Tito didn't deal well with speed, look at what Oscar did to him (one of the biggest robberies I've ever seen).
I dont really know..
Floyd with his fast feet, hand speed, quickness and All time great defense, pitted against one of the best Welterweight ever produced. Trinidad at 147 was a very special and great boxer with helacious power...
The one thing that leans me to Mayweather is Trinidads legendary lack of plan B and his chin. I can see Floyd beating Tito to the punch frustrating him with his footwork and reflexes and counters. When I mention Tito's chin its more to illustrate that he certainly landed on his ass early from flash knockdowns, which would prove detrimental from digging himself in a points hole and having to play catchup... Floyds boxing intelligence always seems to exceed or at least compensate for any perceived disadvantage he faces against an opponent...
Then on the other hand your talking about Tito's power and crisp punches, could he shatter the Mayweather guard and slow the pretty boy down enough to do some serious damage? Perhaps.... I just dont feel any certain outcome is a fore gone conclusion. Both fighters possess great intangibles.
I dont think there is a wrong argument from either side as long as its well thought out, certainly a case can be made for either one to be victorious ;)
I think Floyd would have a field day with Tito the same way he beat Diego Corrales. Tito for all his power could be outboxed and made to look silly ie Winky Wright beat him with a jab and tight defense where Floyd has speed a laser jab when he uses it and can either stand in front of an opponent and make them miss or dance around them and pick them apart. Floyd by lopsided decision or late round mercy stoppage.
IMO no way does the much smaller Mayweather stop Trinidad, when the bigger stronger, DLH and Wright failed, hell it took Hopkins 12 rounds to do it, and Jones (who could've stopped him from the 6th round on), IMO Mayweather would either be able to avoid Trinidad's later round onslaught to win a decision, or he'd get stopped and badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Agreed Tito was a vicious puncher and Mayweather would not handle that power. He would run and try to survive hoping to catch Tito.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO no way does the much smaller Mayweather stop Trinidad, when the bigger stronger, DLH and Wright failed, hell it took Hopkins 12 rounds to do it, and Jones (who could've stopped him from the 6th round on), IMO Mayweather would either be able to avoid Trinidad's later round onslaught to win a decision, or he'd get stopped and badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Different strokes different folks. If it goes into the late rounds then its all Mayweather I just hope that there would be no low blows to change the course of the fight =). Lets not forget an older Pernell Whitaker not including the knockdown had his moments with Tito. I just think that Floyd would be to smart and his speed would be too much for Tito to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO no way does the much smaller Mayweather stop Trinidad, when the bigger stronger, DLH and Wright failed, hell it took Hopkins 12 rounds to do it, and Jones (who could've stopped him from the 6th round on), IMO Mayweather would either be able to avoid Trinidad's later round onslaught to win a decision, or he'd get stopped and badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
i'm not ruling out the possibility that Mayweather could beat Trinidad, but i honestly don't see how he could stop him, hell he didn't even stop Marquez, Tito took shots from the very much harder hitting Vargas, Campas, Joppy, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Different strokes different folks. If it goes into the late rounds then its all Mayweather I just hope that there would be no low blows to change the course of the fight =). Lets not forget an older Pernell Whitaker not including the knockdown had his moments with Tito. I just think that Floyd would be to smart and his speed would be too much for Tito to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO no way does the much smaller Mayweather stop Trinidad, when the bigger stronger, DLH and Wright failed, hell it took Hopkins 12 rounds to do it, and Jones (who could've stopped him from the 6th round on), IMO Mayweather would either be able to avoid Trinidad's later round onslaught to win a decision, or he'd get stopped and badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
mayweather by late stoppage imo.
de la hoya gave felix fits and althought made mayweather work probably lost by a point or two. mayweather probably had another 2 gears to go up to as well.
imo he would confuse the hell out of trinidad worse than hopkins
I find it unbelievable that anyone can rate Mayweather at Welterweight. Floyd would have trouble with opponents Tito beat like Carr, Campus and prime ODH. Tito punched too hard and would be too big for Floyd. What is the best welter Floyd has fought? Judah? He is not in the same league as a welter. Below that weight yes, he is an excellent fighter but at welter he is not.
I doubt that. If we're talking the Mayweather at 147 he would beat Trinidad with Trinidad chasing him but not landing much and Mayweather pot shotting him. Trinidad would lose a one sided decision and then say that mayweather didnt' stand and fight and Mayweather would be panned by critics and fans alike that he ran to beat Trinidad when if they are intelligent they know that if Mayweather stood and traded he'd get KO'd. It is a loss that wouldn't harm Trinidad's career at all. But if Mayweather showed he could hurt Trinidad it could be a really long night. As people with Trinidad's style are something of custom made for Floyd. If we are talking the now Floyd at 147. Because back then at 126 even if he weighed 147 he wasn't as experienced as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed Tito was a vicious puncher and Mayweather would not handle that power. He would run and try to survive hoping to catch Tito.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO no way does the much smaller Mayweather stop Trinidad, when the bigger stronger, DLH and Wright failed, hell it took Hopkins 12 rounds to do it, and Jones (who could've stopped him from the 6th round on), IMO Mayweather would either be able to avoid Trinidad's later round onslaught to win a decision, or he'd get stopped and badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
yea, i could see Mayweather landing potshots and running the entire 12 rnds to win a decision, but if he couldn't hurt small guys like Judah and Marquez i doubt he'd be able to hurt Trinidad in any wayQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyI doubt that. If we're talking the Mayweather at 147 he would beat Trinidad with Trinidad chasing him but not landing much and Mayweather pot shotting him. Trinidad would lose a one sided decision and then say that mayweather didnt' stand and fight and Mayweather would be panned by critics and fans alike that he ran to beat Trinidad when if they are intelligent they know that if Mayweather stood and traded he'd get KO'd. It is a loss that wouldn't harm Trinidad's career at all. But if Mayweather showed he could hurt Trinidad it could be a really long night. As people with Trinidad's style are something of custom made for Floyd. If we are talking the now Floyd at 147. Because back then at 126 even if he weighed 147 he wasn't as experienced as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed Tito was a vicious puncher and Mayweather would not handle that power. He would run and try to survive hoping to catch Tito.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Don't know if he needs to hurt him but Mayweather has a knack for catching fighters with his speed even if he can't hurt them its a pucn they'll never see coming and I'm not sure Trinidad fought someone as quick as Mayweather. De La Hoya wasn't as fast or as defensively gifted and Trinidad seemed to go into a shell whenever De La Hoya boxed in flurries as he constantly had Trinidad's feet moving and Mayweather would do the same. Trinidad seemed like a "searcher" like he was always searching for The KO even when it wouldn't come. George Foreman said you can wait all day and then not have a title anymore, that fits Trinidad perfectly. Against Mayweather he would constantly be waiting for the shots that would stop him but he'd never get his feet planted to set them up or give them. Besides that Mayweather is good at avoiding left hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea, i could see Mayweather landing potshots and running the entire 12 rnds to win a decision, but if he couldn't hurt small guys like Judah and Marquez i doubt he'd be able to hurt Trinidad in any wayQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyI doubt that. If we're talking the Mayweather at 147 he would beat Trinidad with Trinidad chasing him but not landing much and Mayweather pot shotting him. Trinidad would lose a one sided decision and then say that mayweather didnt' stand and fight and Mayweather would be panned by critics and fans alike that he ran to beat Trinidad when if they are intelligent they know that if Mayweather stood and traded he'd get KO'd. It is a loss that wouldn't harm Trinidad's career at all. But if Mayweather showed he could hurt Trinidad it could be a really long night. As people with Trinidad's style are something of custom made for Floyd. If we are talking the now Floyd at 147. Because back then at 126 even if he weighed 147 he wasn't as experienced as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
....a PRIME De la HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Trinidad IMO was more of a took a while to get started type of fighter, but i agree, if Mayweather didn't let him get started he would probably cruise to a lopsided UD, but if he ever let up like he did DLH, i think it would probably come back to bite him in the ass, Trinidad didn't have someone as fast, but on that same note, Mayweather has never faced anyone as strong and accurate as Trinidad was at 147, i think it'd probably be a closer fight than many think, but i'd give a significant edge to Mayweather by points, just don't really see him ever stopping TitoQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyDon't know if he needs to hurt him but Mayweather has a knack for catching fighters with his speed even if he can't hurt them its a pucn they'll never see coming and I'm not sure Trinidad fought someone as quick as Mayweather. De La Hoya wasn't as fast or as defensively gifted and Trinidad seemed to go into a shell whenever De La Hoya boxed in flurries as he constantly had Trinidad's feet moving and Mayweather would do the same. Trinidad seemed like a "searcher" like he was always searching for The KO even when it wouldn't come. George Foreman said you can wait all day and then not have a title anymore, that fits Trinidad perfectly. Against Mayweather he would constantly be waiting for the shots that would stop him but he'd never get his feet planted to set them up or give them. Besides that Mayweather is good at avoiding left hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea, i could see Mayweather landing potshots and running the entire 12 rnds to win a decision, but if he couldn't hurt small guys like Judah and Marquez i doubt he'd be able to hurt Trinidad in any wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Mayweather never fights real welterweights, let alone Trinidad.
Rican said it when he fights a legit welter then people can ask this question, otherwise it in an insult to Tito.
It is like comparing BHop at light heavy to Bob Foster. Just ridiculous.
The very first thing I thought of was the Corrales fight.Think Mayweather might just do a paint job on him but never rule out Tito at 147 out.If its a match on pure confidence and desire,I'd pick Tito in a heart beat over Floyd.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I am assuming you mean in a P4P mythical matchup type deal and it would be the version of Tito at 147 vs the version of PBF that fought at 126....
I go with Floyd to be honest because he would be over aggressive and Floyd would counter to a SD win.....
Though on the other hand if Floyd was at any time even stunned Trinidad would stop him, Felix was a great finisher I think he KO'd all but 2 of his opp at 147
had to be more than 2, cause Whitaker, De La Hoya, and Camacho all went the distanceQuote:
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I am assuming you mean in a P4P mythical matchup type deal and it would be the version of Tito at 147 vs the version of PBF that fought at 126....
I go with Floyd to be honest because he would be over aggressive and Floyd would counter to a SD win.....
Though on the other hand if Floyd was at any time even stunned Trinidad would stop him, Felix was a great finisher I think he KO'd all but 2 of his opp at 147
Then 3 or 4 and I could only remember 2, but not many more I think everyone got the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshad to be more than 2, cause Whitaker, De La Hoya, and Camacho all went the distanceQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I am assuming you mean in a P4P mythical matchup type deal and it would be the version of Tito at 147 vs the version of PBF that fought at 126....
I go with Floyd to be honest because he would be over aggressive and Floyd would counter to a SD win.....
Though on the other hand if Floyd was at any time even stunned Trinidad would stop him, Felix was a great finisher I think he KO'd all but 2 of his opp at 147
I am sure I put the words "I Think" before the only 2
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Originally Posted by Lyle....a PRIME De la HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
A PRIME De La Hoya beats Mayweather, a shot one gave him all he could deal with