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Ok the obvious answer is KO Froch but seriouly what more could the man have done.
1.He made Froch miss and miss badly at times.
2.Used the ring effectivley
3.Landed the cleaner shots.
4.Not sure of the punch stats but to me it appeared that Dirrel landed more shots.
5. He hurt Froch.
6. He clearly frustrated Froch. This is indicated by the body slam and rabbit punches.
SO WHAT MORE DO PEOPLE WANT FROM DIRREl?
I thought he won clearly but are you being serious? He could have just done more. Period. He spent too much time grabbing and not enough punching. He was on the road and he had at least one judge that was bought or somehow influenced (the guy that scored the 11th for Froch, I mean come on that's just corruption, there's no other explanation) and at times he did just enough to win rounds when sometimes you have to know that you have to do more than that, don't leave any questions, don't let an incompetent judge say yeah but Froch was coming forward. It was a bit Clottey-esque.
i agree that any judge that scored the 11th for froch is either blind, retarded or just plain corrupt. But Dirrell has to throw and land punches to win a fight. he could have picked froch apart round after round if he chose to fight and i thought he could have ko'd froch the way he was tagging him in the 11th. Dirrell gave everyone with good eyes the impression he didn't want to fight for most of the rounds. Froch was slower than molasses but at least he looked like he wanted to fight.
Dirrell could have taken a more combatative approach. Not saying he had to be agressive, but he had the speed and reach to catch Front coming in. With his speed, and the fact that Froch carrying his hands low often, he could have dropped inside lead hooks all day and slip the counters with his eyes closed.
Floyd and Pac did it to Hatton... Jones jr. did it gonzalez and countless other sluggers. Niether of them is considered the agressive brawling type. Dirrell chose to use his feet and stupid grin, more than he did his hands because he doesn't like being in range to get hit. Then again niether did Ali or Lewis, so they used their reach and footwork to keep their opponents under control in the center of the ring. Sure they clinched or moved to avoid the rush and swarm tactics, but after that it was back to business as usual. Dirrell fought like a fighter that didn't have enough pop to put his opponent away (even though he did) so he rather run his way to a stinker of a victory than putting his speed or combinations to use going for an accumulation of puches because it presented too much of a risk.
This. I thought Dirrell won comfortably, but if he'd just put the effort he put into the last 2 1/2 rounds into the rest of the fight, no one would be able to dispute it & he might well have KO'd Froch (although I'm convinced the European judges would have still found a way to give it to Froch).Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
It doesn't matter what Dirrell did. He was never going to win. The fix was in from the start
I don't care how well you use the ring. I don't care how badly you make him miss. IF the opponent is determined enough, unscathed, and still landing shots then you can't rely on squeeking by.
Make no mistake. I thought Dirrel won.
I think this early loss in Dirrell's career is going to help him BIG in the long run. I didn't see a guy who was discouraged, angry, beaten, or disheartened. I saw him instantly say "I'm gonna hit the gym". This could prove to be Direll's greatest triumph to date.
When he realized (come the 10th round) the ref wasn't cutting him any slack for holding all the time... He went to plan B. He landed bombs on Froch and moved even more effectively. Dirrell is going to move at a much faster pace his next fight. Mark my words. And God help Froch when they meet again!
Dirrell should of fought the fight like he did in the later rounds.
To be honest though, even though he fought a negative fight , he still landed way more and got robbed.
It's easy to say now that he should of did what he did at the end of the fight the whole fight because he didn't get KOed. Before the fight most thought that would have been the quickest way for him to get KOed.
Everybody thought it best for dirrel to box move and stay away from the ropes. Not be the aggressor.
So what you all are saying is the things i listed are not enough for a fighter to win a fight
In my opinion, it was enough. Froch got a gift.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
He should of done less holding and running though.
Slightly off topic, but I still can't believe that Massimo Barrovecchio scored both 11 and 12 for Froch...
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The guy must of been blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
The last three rounds in the fight were clearly Dirrell rounds.
If he'd scored the last two rounds correctly, the right fighter would have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticThe guy must of been blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
The last three rounds in the fight were clearly Dirrell rounds.
Pure bullshit.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIf he'd scored the last two rounds correctly, the right fighter would have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticThe guy must of been blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
The last three rounds in the fight were clearly Dirrell rounds.
Froch got a gift, If that fight was anywhere else, Dirrell would of got the decision he deserved.
I think its easy to sit here and say what these guys could have done better, but Dirrel fought a really awkward guy and did pretty well, I think he could have thrown more punches, but once again, we aren't in there, and there is a reason Froch has been so effective up to this point in his career. I think Dirrell fought a guy who is super hard to box because Froch is an ok counter puncher, he comes in wildly, and he's extremely effective on the inside while Dirrell is anyhting but an inside fighter.
To me rounds 11 and 12 were clear Dirrel rounds. Early rounds maybe not as clear but 11 and 12 especially 11 were clearly dirrels
The Belgian judge Daniel Van de Wiele recently scored against Witter costing him his "world" title on a Hennessy promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. I thought Dirrell won comfortably, but if he'd just put the effort he put into the last 2 1/2 rounds into the rest of the fight, no one would be able to dispute it & he might well have KO'd Froch (although I'm convinced the European judges would have still found a way to give it to Froch).Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So you think Mick made sure he gave him enough dough this time? ;)
He could have fought like a man and not a big girls blouse. If you were from Showtime you would regret putting him in the tournament as he's going to stink the joint out everytime he boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
Save silly comments like that for the hidden forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIEHe could have fought like a man and not a big girls blouse. If you were from Showtime you would regret putting him in the tournament as he's going to stink the joint out everytime he boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
Well he does have a point.
If Dirrell hadn't kept moaning, holding and collapsing to the floor and moaning and holding, he would have probably got the decision.
He gave off the aura of a losing man.
A- Not run around like a headless chicken for 12rounds
B- Stayed on his feet for more than 30 seconds
C- Stopped bitching to the ref everytime froch roughed him up
D- Actually engage in a boxing contest rather than fob everyone off for 12rounds and look to get a decision on points
E- Win more than the 4 clear rounds he only one
F- Actually win the fight which he clearly didnt!!
1st time i scored it........well i didnt i was too drunk
2nd time i had it 114-113 froch
3rd and 4th time viewing it i had it 115-112 froch on both occasions
dirrell lost, the better all round fighter won, stop bitching and look forward to seeing him take another beating once abraham gets hold of him!
Froch is a lucky man. He could have EASILY have lost his last three fights. I thought Dirrell won and the ironic thing is, if Dirrell would have stood and traded with Froch I thought he could have knocked him out. Froch is no big-hitter.
....i think back to his last couple of fights and say that's what he could have done. Look for direll never fighting anyone, going to that crazy ass arena, getting used to the time change enviroment etc.....he did pretty good. Seems like he was really concerned with getting tired towards the end and was real real conservative with his punches and risk taking. He's never fought no where near 12 rounds before and seeing what happened to taylor again i think that might have even worried him more. Most think he did do enough to win. He hit, didn't really get hit, hurt froch, withstood bullshit ref'ing and was taken an unjust point. Dude did fine. Froch won that fight before either of them even got to the ring. Judges proved that. That's why you leave it out of thier hands in that situation at all costs.
Yes I do ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThe Belgian judge Daniel Van de Wiele recently scored against Witter costing him his "world" title on a Hennessy promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThis. I thought Dirrell won comfortably, but if he'd just put the effort he put into the last 2 1/2 rounds into the rest of the fight, no one would be able to dispute it & he might well have KO'd Froch (although I'm convinced the European judges would have still found a way to give it to Froch).Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So you think Mick made sure he gave him enough dough this time? ;)
That fight was far wider than the scorecards suggested, interesting how both Barrovecchio & Van de Wiele have been on a number of Hennessy cards though ;)
We also know which of Witter & Froch are worth more, especially in Nottingham.
Don't get me wrong, I think if Gary Shaw had significant clout in Europe, they'd happily swing it his way. But he doesn't, so Hennessy's boys get the breaks. Same as Golden Boy & Top Rank fighters often getting favourable scorecards when against fighters without major promoters. Berto might as well leave if the fight with Mosley in January is at all close because he ain't getting that decision against a GBP fighter in the States.
Dirrell ran and clinched but still landed way more punches and matched Froch for workrate in majority of the rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Running and holding doesn't cost you points unless the ref starts deducting points so Froch can't win the fight based on uneffectively coming forward and clinching less.
When scoring the fight on the 4 scoring criterias : Clean effective punching, effective aggression, ring generalship and defense, there is no doubt that Dirrell clearly won the fight.
I'm laughing my ass off at the bolded comment above also. :rolleyes:
Dirrell moaned because Froch was hitting behind the head and kept hitting him everytime the ref would break them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Dirrell had every right to moan imo.
After a while a fighter has to stop complaining. If the ref isn't gonna do nothing then don't waste time complaining. i"ve never seen complaining mount to anything in any sport.