Who do you rate as the hardest puncher in the sport today P4P ?
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Who do you rate as the hardest puncher in the sport today P4P ?
Daniel Ponce de Leon
Easily Vitali...
Really? I think Wlad has better one punch power than Vitali who seems to rely on accumulation from what I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by CFHReally? I think Wlad has better one punch power than Vitali who seems to rely on accumulation from what I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I haven't seen a lot of Vitali's earlier fights, pretty much just the Lewis one. Since his return he's struck me as an accumulation sort of puncher though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickPossibly...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHReally? I think Wlad has better one punch power than Vitali who seems to rely on accumulation from what I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
i voted for PACMAN.
Abraham pretty clearly IMO. Dude doesn't even land that many punches cause he doesn't throw all that much but still blasts guys out with one punch.
It could be shot old Randall Bailey actually.
Im not sure Bailey has iced that many at world championship level.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
cause he's not very good ;D I mean a guy like Vitali has such a size and reach advantage on most of these plodders that he can just harpoon them with twenty rights a round or so, the KO's gonna come. Bailey's old, shot, shit legs, no balance, mediocre speed and just solid enough technique but if he catches anybody at 135-140 with a right they don't see he can hurt them. Still.
I'm kidding with him at number 1. Kind of.
I still vote Valero until he proves me wrong.
Bailey does have legit 1 shot power which is more then a lot of those guys can say. Vitali and Wlad should be excluded imo, it's P4P and pound for pound no way we can judge that. A lot of those KOs are produced by their size advantage, it's easier to eliminate them from the p4p power discussion.
I'm a big fan of Lopez, but I'm not sure he has fight changing power in 1 shot. Those 1st round KO's were just product of speed and accuracy more then anything. I mean he does have a punishing style at times and definitely wears you down and can put guys down at that weight but not like others.
Almost every single Colombian seems to have ridiculous power 1 shot power from Juan Urango, Jose Luis Herrera, Dinisio Miranda, Breidis Prescott, ect. there are others but each of those guys has explosive power even if they aren't great fighters. Valero is a whirlwind but he does pack a pretty big punch. Abraham definitely, tons of power. Carl Froch is crap but he is heavy handed. Darchinyan same deal. All those guys just seem to have brute clubbing power.
My pick (it's the wrong one almost assuredly) is Yuriorkis Gamboa. Gamboa is an absolute train wreck in the ring and he is going to have a sick highlight reel when he's done. He's explosive and I think he's the guy with the most power.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yeah thats the reason I voted for Arthur. His opponent can be right in the fight but 1 shot will not only knock them cold but it will put them in hospital with concussion.
Ive had a look at some of his other KOS on youtube and its not uncommon for him to win by KO by totally putting an opponents lights out face first on the canvas unconcious. Not many fighters in any weight class can do that.
I think were overrating Abraham just a little based on his dramatic last round knockout... Its not like it was the 1st time he hit Taylor, plus it was the 12th round.
Valero is obviously the biggest p4p puncher in one hand, that big left but i thought i'd go for Lopez, he has sickening K.O power in both hands and yes it brought with sharp speedy punches but the question was hardest puncher not most heavy handed
I'd say they were two different questions.
I think David Haye should be added to that list.
I've gone Valero. Had Haye still been a Cruiserweight I would have voted other. Only time will tell whether he has really carried that power with him. So far so good though 2 HW fights 2 KO's and in 2 weeks it will be 3 out of 3!
I totally forgot about Haye. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
You just know Lyle will have some remark to make about that! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticI totally forgot about Haye. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
I voted Valero simply because hes did everything asked of him to date. I know theres a lot of padding in his record but this guy can really bang
If by hardest puncher you mean 1 punch KO power then id say itz
Wlad,Gamboa,Valero,Abraham
In that order.
Who voted for kermit cintron? LOL!
He hasn't really sat down on a punch recently...the hardest punch I've seen him throw was the right cross on Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Wlad on the other hand sparked out Ray Austin with a GIGANTIC left hook, his KO's of Brock and Thompson were on pretty hard punches.
I voted for Pacquiao because of his KO of Hatton...Abraham's KO of Taylor also ranked highly...Wlad and Vitali haven't KO'd anyone like that recently...although with Chambers and Johnson coming up I bet that will change soon.
No Tua?
:lol: ...and they say I'm a fanboyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Galaxy, Tua ain't what he used to be
Shocking (sarcasm) how Vitali is not the overwhelming favorite.
I tried to vote other & ended up on Pacquiao :mad:
Anyway, I'd have to go for Randall Bailey. Anyone who can knock Urango down & have him hurt has to have something serious, because he's basically The Thing from Fantastic Four.
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Originally Posted by Lyle:lol: ...and they say I'm a fanboyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Galaxy, Tua ain't what he used to be
Yes biggest Haye fanboy on here :rolleyes:
I mean looking at his stats yes I have to agree he cant punch for shit:
91.3% ko rate 21/22 opponents ko'd, only opponent to go 12 was because Haye wanted to go 12.
Lyle you are a cock sometimes mate serious. Im not talking about his ability im talking about his power which is very good and deffo top 20 p4p.
Even back to the Am's the right he caught Solis with at the World Champs imagine that was with 10 oz gloves and no headgear, Solis would of been put to sleep.
Agreed but that power is still there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle:lol: ...and they say I'm a fanboyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Galaxy, Tua ain't what he used to be
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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
I. :box3:
Cintron has some genuine power, it's not a crazy vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Def not. Had he still been at WW I may have even voted for him. He hasn't carried that same power up with him but he can stll bang!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCintron has some genuine power, it's not a crazy vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Sure he's KO'd a ton of guys, but his power has to carry to heavyweight for him to be considered a P4P power puncher and so far he's KO'd 2 guys who have already been KO'd and his record is littered with guys who had been KO'd before he got to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Haye was the FIRST to stop: Lasse Johanssen and Giacobbe Fragomeni...that is all
You compare that to Wlad and Vitali and who they have stopped it's obvious Haye doesn't belong in the picture YET. Had he moved from 175 to cruiserweight and to heavyweight KO-ing everyone left and right YES I would agree with you putting him in there but right now it's a little premature.
BUT he has still KO'd pretty much everyone that has been put in front of him and Fragomeni was a good KO when you consider he hasn't been KO'd or beaten for that matter since and is now WBC champ at 40 and is facing Zsolt Erdei next, which will no doubt be a big test.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleSure he's KO'd a ton of guys, but his power has to carry to heavyweight for him to be considered a P4P power puncher and so far he's KO'd 2 guys who have already been KO'd and his record is littered with guys who had been KO'd before he got to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Haye was the FIRST to stop: Lasse Johanssen and Giacobbe Fragomeni...that is all
You compare that to Wlad and Vitali and who they have stopped it's obvious Haye doesn't belong in the picture YET. Had he moved from 175 to cruiserweight and to heavyweight KO-ing everyone left and right YES I would agree with you putting him in there but right now it's a little premature.
I also think David Haye should be on the list. We can only go on what he has done so far, which is blast out pretty much everyone. Time will tell at heavy though.
Oh yea and Lyle, i noticed on boxrec that Solis was extended the full 8 by the one and only Julius Long. The very same Julius Long that was taken out in 2 by Audley Harrison.
Not sure why i feel i should tell you that, but for some reason i think it might be of interest to you.
I understand that but if you compare him to other heavyweights alone he's a touch behind the curve.
Wlad was the first to stop: Chagaev, Brock, Thompson, Brewster, Mercer
Vitali was the first to stop: Sam Peter, Arreola, Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald
Those aren't even the full lists of guys the Klitschko's were the first to stop, but the impressive thing is that those fighters they stopped had fought and beaten or lasted the distance with other big time power punchers.
I am fully aware a chin can go bad after getting cracked and all, but I'm just saying what the Klitschko's have done at heavyweight puts them ahead of Haye in the P4P rankings.
They are both older and had a lot more fights too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I know where your coming from though, but until someone stands upto one of his big shots, I personally am going to think of David Haye as a big p4p puncher!
OK that's reasonable to think of him as a big power puncher until someone stands up to his punches, but to classify him in the P4P rankings it's premature.
If he was to fight Sam Peter and 1 punch KO him then I would say HELL YES he's up at the top of the P4P rankings in power punching, but he hasn't and it took him 5 rounds to stop Monte Barrett whom Solis just dropped in 2 rounds with 1 punch
You can't really judge things like that though. I mean Audley Harrison stopped Danny Williams in 3 whereas it took Vitali 8 rounds to get him out and as someone mentioned earlier Solis went the distance with Julius Long who Audley KO'd in 2 and then Bonin who it took Audley 9 rounds to get out, got demolished in 1 by Haye!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well if you really wanted to make a point you would have brought up Sinan Samil Sam stopping DW in 6, because the Audley-Williams fight happened after that beat down Vitali put on him....and there was no reason that fight deserved to go 8.
But I digress, Vitali's record speaks for itself