Pacquiao: Mayweather Doesn't Want to Fight

Manny Pacquiao: Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't want to fight me - ESPN

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LOS ANGELES -- Manny Pacquiao believes the biggest potential fight in boxing will never happen because Floyd Mayweather Jr. wants no part of him.
Pacquiao is training in Hollywood for his meeting with Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14, but the pound-for-pound champion spared a moment Thursday to consider his chances of fighting pay-per-view king Mayweather in what would be an extremely lucrative bout for both fighters.
"I don't think it's going to happen," Pacquiao says. "I'm sure he doesn't want to fight."
Pacquiao says Mayweather treats boxing too much like a business and doesn't care about entertainment value for his fans. Pacquiao is known for his crowd-pleasing style, while Mayweather is boxing's most accomplished tactician.

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Bad Move Manny, I think he should concentrate on Cotto and not think it's a forgone conclusion that he's going to win.

Completely agree, I've been picking Pacquiao to win all along because I feel Cotto is on the slide, but the general impression I've got is that Manny thinks this & thinks he's another Oscar or Hatton. That he's bought into his own hype. I still think he beats Cotto, but he doesn't seem to give him the respect he deserves.

Cotto should end all this Mayweather-Pac talk

Goddamn I hope Cotto beats the living fuck out of Pacquiao...

I really doubt Pacquaio sparing a moment to comment on a Mayweather fight means he isn't focused on the Cotto fight. Its just like when I won my basement ping pong tournament when I was in high school, I was looking ahead at times. Anyway if he isn't focused he'll get shitkicked.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I really doubt Pacquaio sparing a moment to comment on a Mayweather fight means he isn't focused on the Cotto fight. Its just like when I won my basement ping pong tournament when I was in high school, I was looking ahead at times. Anyway if he isn't focused he'll get shitkicked.

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If it was just this I'd ignore it, but he seems to generally be overlooking Cotto a bit, at least that's the impression I've got from his attitude in the past few months.

Let's remember Cotto's words at the press conference - 'I am not Oscar De La Hoya, I am not Ricky Hatton, I am not a basement ping pong competition, I am the Walrus!!' Ok I just got bored mid-sentence there, but that's the basic gist of it

Lol, this to me shows that Manny is scared, I doubt they've really talked about things, Mayweather would pick Manny apart, Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is that much better, and a guy like Manny needs to land first, which he could only do half of the time agianst Marquez which is why he came up almost even. Floyd would beat him to the mark everytime, is by far the harder man to hit out of the two, he's bigger, better body puncher, gets off quicker, etc, etc ,etc.

yep...

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I really doubt Pacquaio sparing a moment to comment on a Mayweather fight means he isn't focused on the Cotto fight. Its just like when I won my basement ping pong tournament when I was in high school, I was looking ahead at times. Anyway if he isn't focused he'll get shitkicked.

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If it was just this I'd ignore it, but he seems to generally be overlooking Cotto a bit, at least that's the impression I've got from his attitude in the past few months.

Let's remember Cotto's words at the press conference - 'I am not Oscar De La Hoya, I am not Ricky Hatton, I am not a basement ping pong competition, I am the Walrus!!' Ok I just got bored mid-sentence there, but that's the basic gist of it

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:rotflmao:

I have no doubt that Pacquiao will come into the fight focused and with a solid gameplan. It seems like every time he fights there are all sorts of rumours of turmoil in his camp, of him lacking focus etc. and he always shows up looking very well prepared.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I really doubt Pacquaio sparing a moment to comment on a Mayweather fight means he isn't focused on the Cotto fight. Its just like when I won my basement ping pong tournament when I was in high school, I was looking ahead at times. Anyway if he isn't focused he'll get shitkicked.

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If it was just this I'd ignore it, but he seems to generally be overlooking Cotto a bit, at least that's the impression I've got from his attitude in the past few months.

Let's remember Cotto's words at the press conference - 'I am not Oscar De La Hoya, I am not Ricky Hatton, I am not a basement ping pong competition, I am the Walrus!!' Ok I just got bored mid-sentence there, but that's the basic gist of it

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Well said. Manny is going to be in for the fight of his life if Cotto is in his walrus midset. He's nigh on unbeatable like that.

hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

I do, and I think Oscar wasn't Oscar when he faced Manny, it was still very impressive, but he was a dried up old prune.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I do, and I think Oscar wasn't Oscar when he faced Manny, it was still very impressive, but he was a dried up old prune.

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Yes

but what if DLH is facing someone as slow as him that night? Pac magnified the 'weight' bull shit because of his speed. Remember he's a fethaerweight and at Featherweight he was fast. a fast featherweight at Welterweight? just imagine how frustrating that be for an average speedster like DLH.

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hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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I can understand the logic behind ODH providing a reasonable test for Cotto, though I disagree with it. However, Cotto would absolutely murder Hatton. It might not end as quickly as the Pacquiao fight but the result would be the same.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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I can understand the logic behind ODH providing a reasonable test for Cotto, though I disagree with it. However, Cotto would absolutely murder Hatton. It might not end as quickly as the Pacquiao fight but the result would be the same.

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I think Cotto ends up with the victory too, At 147 that is but @140 where Pac-Hatton took place. Hatton has more than a fair chance.

Just like what I said before, I believe Mayweather doesn't want anything to do with Pacquaio.

Pac never underestimated Cotto so what he's saying is simply how he feels about Mayweather. He wants Mayweather to fight him but it seems MAyweather does not want to take the risk.

Mayweather vs Pac is supposed to be the biggest fight of the decade and people naturally would talk about that so if Pac is talking about Mayweather, he's definitely not disrespecting Cotto. :cool:

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Just like what I said before, I believe Mayweather doesn't want anything to do with Pacquaio.

Pac never underestimated Cotto so what he's saying is simply how he feels about Mayweather. He wants Mayweather to fight him but it seems MAyweather does not want to take the risk.

Mayweather vs Pac is supposed to be the biggest fight of the decade and people naturally would talk about that so if Pac is talking about Mayweather, he's definitely not disrespecting Cotto. :cool:

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I think a big part of the motivation for PBF to get out of retirement is Pacquaio.

If Pac beats Cotto. it will surely happen.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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Ive watching for more than 30 yrs now. :)

I even registered in this site 2+ yrs before you did.

You dont know shit when it comes to Pacquiao or boxing for that matter.

Violent_Demise

where are you? im going home in 15 mins.

is this all you have?

" :vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing."

Im going home now.

I really want to read your response but i dont wantt nonsense name calling bull shits.


I did say DLH-Cotto at 147 and Hatton-Cotto at 140 are 50/50 fights and because of that you think i dont watch much boxing. can you state the reason pls.

DLH is a Zombie, Hatton's face 1st defense yaddi yadii anything i wanna hear it.

Im out

It didn't say that Pacquiao called a bunch of camera's over to him so that he could start blabbing on about Mayweather while he's still got Cotto to go through...

Clearly he was asked about the fight and then they quoted him saying "I don't think it will happen"...

Then they go on saying Pacquiao says Mayweather is all about the business and doesn't care about entertainment value.. Well if he actually said that, they would have quoted him...

Can anyone actually hear Manny standing there saying Mayweather only cares about money and business and not his fans??


Damn, i sound like i'm nut hugging.... Just silly how a big discussion starts based on a context that didn't even occur...


Personally I think Mayweather would love this fight and would take it on.. Just Mayweather is not stupid and isn't going to call out a figher who might lose... He'll wait for the winner and then panzy on for months and months until we are all fed up with his crap, then the fight will be announced..

But how many fights has mayweather ever considered be "want"...

I'm a Manny fan but I'm not delusional. Mayweather doesn't want it??? He saw what he did to his equal(JMM). Mayweather won every minute of every round. Pac is stupid for even saying that. Nobody who keeps it real will believe that for even a second. Mosley is closer to a problem but Pac is not even a small problem to Mayweather. I never seen Pac talk out of his a## but he has now officially done that. If this is not a money move than Pac is the dumbest fighter today. I'm am still a Manny fan but this kind of talk makes me feel stupider for this kind of talk. I'm just a guy who keeps it honest no matter what. I like Pac more than PBF but I do not think he has a chance against Mayweather. Even if he did have a chance...Mayweather doesn't want???:LOLATYOU:

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I'm a Manny fan but I'm not delusional. Mayweather doesn't want it??? He saw what he did to his equal(JMM). Mayweather won every minute of every round. Pac is stupid for even saying that. Nobody who keeps it real will believe that for even a second. Mosley is closer to a problem but Pac is not even a small problem to Mayweather. I never seen Pac talk out of his a## but he has now officially done that. If this is not a money move than Pac is the dumbest fighter today. I'm am still a Manny fan but this kind of talk makes me feel stupider for this kind of talk. I'm just a guy who keeps it honest no matter what. I like Pac more than PBF but I do not think he has a chance against Mayweather. Even if he did have a chance...Mayweather doesn't want???:LOLATYOU:

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When were you a Manny fan? I thought you were a Mayweather fan based on your past postings?

I think Mayweather would take this fight. If Pac beats Cotto then its the biggest money fight out there, so if PBF treats boxing as a business, his motive would be to make as much money as possible, meaning using that logic to say he doens't want to fight Pac doesn't make sense. The only reason this doesn't happen is if both fighters make ridiculous demands about money, which will likely happen IMO

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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You picked Taylor to win the "super six," right? :vd:

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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You picked Taylor to win the "super six," right? :vd:

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:appl: let em have it fenster..

I am very shock as to how everyone is looking past Cotto. I'm not a huge Cotto fan but i have watched him move up through the rank since he was damn there force fed to me by HBO. I don't know if it's Cotto lost to margarito thats cause this or not. Whatever it is i think it is unwarrented. Cotto is not only the bigger man in the fight but he is the better boxer. Maybe people are counting on Cotto be weight drained or something. Cotto has shown that he can rebound from being hurt and he can also give as good as he gets. I keep hearing about PAC's power but what about Cotto's.

If PAC loses do we still get a PBF PAC fight the same way we got a PBF Judah fight after Judah lost to Baldamir. I hope not.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

hahahaahaha

"I am not DLH or Hatton" ??

Before those fights the name DLH and Hatton doesnt connote negative impression on fighters.


Can Cotto really say he can beat DLH and Hatton easily?

after the Cotto fight the next Pacquiao opponent wil say

"Im not DLH, Hatton or Cotto. im the Walrus!" ;D

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No "IF" he beats Cotto his next opponent will say "I'm not ODLH, Hatton or Cotto, I am "Pretty Boy" Floyd "Money" Mayweather and i'm the best fighter in the world . That is the difference.

At this point, I think Mayweathers probably pulling for Cotto. It's not that he doesn't want Pac. He probably takes either of them fairly easy. I think he outsmarted himself before. Taking Marquez and beating him better was a good way to get leverage for the Pac negotiations. If the public never believes you're better than a certain fighter, you might give up more to prove them wrong. Mayweather beating Marquez was good up to a certain point (no how many small man excuses are made for marquez) as Marquez was the measuring stick. Shutting out marquez was just a little counter productive to money the fight could be making. Mayweather was thinking about his share of the pac fight when he blew out marquez. But overall everyones share for that fight could be smaller now because many people will buy into the unvalid but every present transitive theory (if fighter A goes life and death with fighter B ... and Fighter C embarasses Fighter B... Then Fighter C will also beat fighter A pretty easily.)

A Cotto win shocks the world and everyone forgets his drubbing by margacheato and buys into the loaded glove theory.... He is given a clean slate by those outside of boxing, instantly labeled as the man that beat the man (in Pacquaio) and "legend killer" who's coming after Mayweather. Then they meet in the ring and we get Holyfield/Douglas Part 2.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

At this point, I think Mayweathers probably pulling for Cotto. It's not that he doesn't want Pac. He probably takes either of them fairly easy. I think he outsmarted himself before. Taking Marquez and beating him better was a good way to get leverage for the Pac negotiations. If the public never believes you're better than a certain fighter, you might give up more to prove them wrong. Mayweather beating Marquez was good up to a certain point (no how many small man excuses are made for marquez) as Marquez was the measuring stick. Shutting out marquez was just a little counter productive to money the fight could be making. Mayweather was thinking about his share of the pac fight when he blew out marquez. But overall everyones share for that fight could be smaller now because many people will buy into the unvalid but every present transitive theory (if fighter A goes life and death with fighter B ... and Fighter C embarasses Fighter B... Then Fighter C will also beat fighter A pretty easily.)

A Cotto win shocks the world and everyone forgets his drubbing by margacheato and buys into the loaded glove theory.... He is given a clean slate by those outside of boxing, instantly labeled as the man that beat the man (in Pacquaio) and "legend killer" who's coming after Mayweather. Then they meet in the ring and we get Holyfield/Douglas Part 2.

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Ok I buy your theory up until the comparison with Douglas/Holyfield. Cotto is a genuine world class fighter whereas Buster was in the right place at the right time and took Tyson when the time was right. I see it more as James Toney vs Roy Jones. Toney (a world class fighter) beat Michael Nunn (another even higher regarded fighter) in something of an upset, to become some people's number one fighter in the world then Jones (Who would be Mayweather in this situation) came along and schooled Toney (Cotto if he beats Pac).

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I was impressed by Pacquiao's victories over ODH and Hatton, though I did feel he would win both, but do you honestly think Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation?

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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I can understand the logic behind ODH providing a reasonable test for Cotto, though I disagree with it. However, Cotto would absolutely murder Hatton. It might not end as quickly as the Pacquiao fight but the result would be the same.

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Cotto-Hatton would be a slightly better version of Cotto-Gomez.

The "he doesn't want to fight me" thing is just something to say. Neither of them are getting any younger and the pot for their fight could be $150 million and if Manny beats Cotto impressively there's going to be lots of dynamics all pushing to get the fight made. They're both going to make claims like this, both argue for a bigger share of the split, etc. etc., but the bottom line is they can make twice as much fighting each other than anybody else.

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The "he doesn't want to fight me" thing is just something to say. Neither of them are getting any younger and the pot for their fight could be $150 million and if Manny beats Cotto impressively there's going to be lots of dynamics all pushing to get the fight made. They're both going to make claims like this, both argue for a bigger share of the split, etc. etc., but the bottom line is they can make twice as much fighting each other than anybody else.

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That pretty much sums it up. I don't think the Cotto fight is a foregone conclusion though, could be a very tough fight for Pac, I certainly don't expect him to dominate in the way he did against ODLH and Hatton.

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Mate

Oscar Dela was not not at his best but he will not lose to Cotto the way he lost to Pacquiao. Dela Hoya would land a few left hooks because cotto is not as slippery as pacquiao. and landing a few left hooks could mean a LOT in a fight im sure you'll agree.

on Hatton. same case, you think Hatton will get caught by right hooks a few seconds into the fight againts Cotto? If you look at the phase of PAC-Hatton. very few can keep up with that and Hatton got sparked because he's so aggressive and Pac is accustomed to that phase. in Cotto Hatton got a target that he can actually hit.

My answer is Cotto wouldn't handle either one of them in the same situation. 50/50 on both fights.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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You picked Taylor to win the "super six," right? :vd:

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Thanks Fens! I gave Taylor a shot! Does it count if I wrote a disclaimer? I said he "had the ability to" win the Super Six if he stopped running out of gas. I actually predicted Kessler to win.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

At this point, I think Mayweathers probably pulling for Cotto. It's not that he doesn't want Pac. He probably takes either of them fairly easy. I think he outsmarted himself before. Taking Marquez and beating him better was a good way to get leverage for the Pac negotiations. If the public never believes you're better than a certain fighter, you might give up more to prove them wrong. Mayweather beating Marquez was good up to a certain point (no how many small man excuses are made for marquez) as Marquez was the measuring stick. Shutting out marquez was just a little counter productive to money the fight could be making. Mayweather was thinking about his share of the pac fight when he blew out marquez. But overall everyones share for that fight could be smaller now because many people will buy into the unvalid but every present transitive theory (if fighter A goes life and death with fighter B ... and Fighter C embarasses Fighter B... Then Fighter C will also beat fighter A pretty easily.)

A Cotto win shocks the world and everyone forgets his drubbing by margacheato and buys into the loaded glove theory.... He is given a clean slate by those outside of boxing, instantly labeled as the man that beat the man (in Pacquaio) and "legend killer" who's coming after Mayweather. Then they meet in the ring and we get Holyfield/Douglas Part 2.

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I can see Mayweather using the Marquez fight as his negotiation tool. But I think Pac's is still stronger. Money can say "I dominated the man that took Pacquiao life and death to beat." But then Manny can say "I dominated and knocked out someone you beat by split decision and someone you took 10 rounds to beat who I beat in 2."

I don't know, that's just me. I just think either way it will be a messy negotiation for a potential Pac/Mayweather fight.

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:vd: You obviously don't watch much Boxing.

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You picked Taylor to win the "super six," right? :vd:

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Thanks Fens! I gave Taylor a shot! Does it count if I wrote a disclaimer? I said he "had the ability to" win the Super Six if he stopped running out of gas. I actually predicted Kessler to win.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

At this point, I think Mayweathers probably pulling for Cotto. It's not that he doesn't want Pac. He probably takes either of them fairly easy. I think he outsmarted himself before. Taking Marquez and beating him better was a good way to get leverage for the Pac negotiations. If the public never believes you're better than a certain fighter, you might give up more to prove them wrong. Mayweather beating Marquez was good up to a certain point (no how many small man excuses are made for marquez) as Marquez was the measuring stick. Shutting out marquez was just a little counter productive to money the fight could be making. Mayweather was thinking about his share of the pac fight when he blew out marquez. But overall everyones share for that fight could be smaller now because many people will buy into the unvalid but every present transitive theory (if fighter A goes life and death with fighter B ... and Fighter C embarasses Fighter B... Then Fighter C will also beat fighter A pretty easily.)

A Cotto win shocks the world and everyone forgets his drubbing by margacheato and buys into the loaded glove theory.... He is given a clean slate by those outside of boxing, instantly labeled as the man that beat the man (in Pacquaio) and "legend killer" who's coming after Mayweather. Then they meet in the ring and we get Holyfield/Douglas Part 2.

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I can see Mayweather using the Marquez fight as his negotiation tool. But I think Pac's is still stronger. Money can say "I dominated the man that took Pacquiao life and death to beat." But then Manny can say "I dominated and knocked out someone you beat by split decision and someone you took 10 rounds to beat who I beat in 2."

I don't know, that's just me. I just think either way it will be a messy negotiation for a potential Pac/Mayweather fight.

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It won't matter for shit about who beat who more effectively or who scored a KO quicker. What it will come down to is PPV figures. Because of the fact that Mayweather had significantly more viewers for his fights with ODLH, Hatton & JMM, the Pacquiao-Cotto fight will have to do at least 1m+ viewers for Pacquiao to be claiming an equal slice of the pie.

If you use the argument of effectiveness in winning, each could counter the other's argument for why their win over said fighter meant more.

id go for a one sided beating and a ko to finish it than to watch a boring fight with very little punches thrown.