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I'm sure this has already been done, but i can't find it and I want to know your opinion now that time has gone by.
IMO yes, look at his face and then look at Collins' face in the Resto fight, pretty much identical, i've seen horrible beatings, but the way Cotto's face was mauled gives me the impression that Tony knew damned well what was going on, and that it was put to use against Cotto
Yeah I'm fairly certain he did. Cotto had beaten Mosley and Mosley had looked shit against Mayorga so I see no reason he'd think to cheat after the performance against Cotto if he hadn't already done it before. People cheat because of lack of belief in their own abilities. If he didn't cheat against Cotto in what is considered his best win, then why cheat against Mosley who was inactive and underperforming?
What El Terible said...I forgot how bad Cotto's face looked in that Margarito fight.
Marg is a cheating prick and I doubt he just "started" using that plaster against Mosely.
I don't really have any doubt that he did. I mean its possible, not likely though.
A picture says a thousand words. I was going to make a thread last week on my findings from various websites and pictures. Might as well do it here still have all the links saved.
Margacheato looking happy with himself.
Look at the top of his left hand.
http://www.boxeo.ws/files/images/mar...con_correa.jpg
Before you scream "photoshop" here is another from Foxsports.com
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/i...6166673,00.jpg
This is the best angle, taken from HBO.com
HBO: Boxing: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito: MARGARITO KO'S COTTO IN 11TH
Picture 17
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/events...482x316_10.jpg
Here is the second set of evidence
http://www.boxingnews24.com/wp-conte...to64257461.jpghttp://www.boxingnews24.com/wp-conte...cotto77741.jpg
And this is what happens when your plaster is non existant because you got found out and your opponent knew beforehand that you wanted to try and injure or kill him.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...-margarito.gif
The ref should have let the fucking cunt get up again.
So there it is
Wow I had never seen those pics before, good stuff. It wasn't the same as Resto-Collins though, in that fight it was the glove that was manipulated. Only later (after the Margarito flap I believe) was it that Resto claimed that there was also plaster in the gloves.
Look at the blood on the handwraps, if I'm not mistaken the plaster knucklepad they found had blood on it right? I'm not sure which one had blood on it but look at the pic of his left hand where you can see blood on his knuckles. If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be in the exact same spot where the blood was on the knucklepad they confiscated. Could he have seriously used the same one or is that some strange coincidence? WTF man. How can Arum defend this shit?
OF COURSE he cheated against Cotto, you don't just start cheating when you're at the top especially against Mosley who was a big underdog.
Exactly, why somebody who was honest his entire career, who became the champion of the strongest division beating destroying Cotto, the former champion, why this fighter would have risked his integrity by cheating against one of the Cotto victims?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
More than that, I strongly believe he cheated in Cintron fights too.
The 2nd fight, I agree for sure. I believe he took this action after Williams beat him, as he felt he'd never get another chance if he lost again.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100Exactly, why somebody who was honest his entire career, who became the champion of the strongest division beating destroying Cotto, the former champion, why this fighter would have risked his integrity by cheating against one of the Cotto victims?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
More than that, I strongly believe he cheated in Cintron fights too.
I dnt believe anyone can say yes unless they saw Margarito's hand beign wrapped with their own eyes. Im surprised many of you said yes.
Is it possible? Sure. But only they knoe...:-\
It's just common sense though. Most people haven't seen Barry Bonds or Mark McGuire inject either but guilt is cast upon them and it's their own faults.
Something that people seem to ignore here is the fact that Margarito walked through Cotto's punches as if he was being hit with pillows. How can we explain that? Did he put plaster in his face? :confused:
I suppose that anybody who is cheating that way, the least they want is for anything to be noticed in their hands. And Margarito looks totally fine parading his hands all over the place. I will watch the fight again and see that close up his hands (left hand, like the picture posted here).
Does it matter? I don't really think it does...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
That's gonna be pretty much impossible don't you think? How would you explain the pictures I posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
I don't think it matters.....he got caught with a weapon like a bitch in a sport where you get to beat someone's ass in the first place. It's fair for any fan to assume he cheated in all his fights for what it's worth. Dude should be in jail. I'd probably be if he pulled something like that on my son. I could care less if that cack ever fought again..........and people have time to hate mayweather. Amazing.
You do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Most likely he did. It's hard for me to imagine that the Mosley fight was the first time he tried it and got caught on the first time. Citron and Cotto got battered. Just think of how tough Paul Williams was if Margo's gloves were loaded and he still won that fight against loaded gloves. Josh Clottey fought a good fight also if Margo's gloves were loaded. This would have never happened if these fighters had a thorough Team of trainers like Nazim Richardson. Those type of trainers seem to have their ears to the street when it comes to catching sucker moves. In my gym street wise trainers like Nazim and company are what we call a trainers trainer. They know all the old tricks that cats pull so its easy for them to be caught. Mosley first time working with them and he said those brothers are like scientist and cover every aspect of the boxing game. U can tell be Bernard Hopkins that they are. Cotto's team should have caught that. Nazim picked that shit up instintly. Great Trainer do Great things. Remember ya team is not their to party but to have ya back before,during and after the fight. #1 boxing trainer in the world barr none- BROTHER NAZIM.
Hell yeah
I give him credit for taking all those early bombs
His chin was granite in that fight
No ones questioning that
Many other fighters would have been taken out
If there was plaster in the gloves in that fight though then Cotto was at an unfair disadvantage
:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
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Originally Posted by Chino
:lol: What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? ;D He took his punches cause he has a good chin, that has nothing to do with what he puts in his wraps, seriously one of the worst arguments I've ever heard.
Based on the kind of bruises vs the normal punching power of Plastarito, I would bet my last cents that yeah, most definitely.
Id lik to put up an argument myself. im not defending Margo in anyway but i am in my opinion that You cnt say yes unless you saw hiw hands beign wrapped...
Dnt you guys think Cotto's face was disfiguered by all those dam punches Margarito was landing?
The plaster didnt help Margo land (if it was in der) and Margo was landing alot of bombs.
You don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
Let me lay it out for ya holmes
Tony showed a great chin, where others would of folded
Cotto may have been getting hit by bricks
Hence getting wrecked & not finishing the fight
LOL, well no, the plaster can't help your accuracy but it will hurt more and bust you up......you on this Earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
What do you mean an i on this earth? of course i am unless i was typin from da moon.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KelLOL, well no, the plaster can't help your accuracy but it will hurt more and bust you up......you on this Earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Ive seen boxers get their face busted up way worse without plaster what do you have to say about dat?
Just because he is a good fighter it doesnt mean that if he gets hit hard and lots of time his face isnt gonna swell up and bleed his human.
Cottos one of my fav. boxers man dnt get me wrong but no1 knoes if Margos gloves or wraps were loaded unless they wer der.
Everyone time he landed though, it would of been like getting hit with a bat, if the wraps were loadedQuote:
Originally Posted by KelLOL, well no, the plaster can't help your accuracy but it will hurt more and bust you up......you on this Earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Cotto should of used the Haas training program
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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Nobody can say for sure but I think there's a lot more reason to say yes I think he used them than no I don't think he did. Its all speculation but there's reason to believe he did.
And Cotto didn't fight the right fight and yes he got hit clean a lot plaster or no plaster. I think Mosley would have always been a tougher fight stylistically for Margo but that doesn't mean Margo's wraps were necessarily clean for the Cotto fight.
Well, you are saying 'without plaster' they got busted up worse, were these fights you seen very one sided? Got just one example? Cotto hardly took a one sided battering, it was the latter half of the fight he looked confused and hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaWhat do you mean an i on this earth? of course i am unless i was typin from da moon.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KelLOL, well no, the plaster can't help your accuracy but it will hurt more and bust you up......you on this Earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Ive seen boxers get their face busted up way worse without plaster what do you have to say about dat?
Just because he is a good fighter it doesnt mean that if he gets hit hard and lots of time his face isnt gonna swell up and bleed his human.
Cottos one of my fav. boxers man dnt get me wrong but no1 knoes if Margos gloves or wraps were loaded unless they wer der.
quote=Kel;805406]Well, you are saying 'without plaster' they got busted up worse, were these fights you seen very one sided? Got just one example? Cotto hardly took a one sided battering, it was the latter half of the fight he looked confused and hurt.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" MedinaWhat do you mean an i on this earth? of course i am unless i was typin from da moon.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Ive seen boxers get their face busted up way worse without plaster what do you have to say about dat?
Just because he is a good fighter it doesnt mean that if he gets hit hard and lots of time his face isnt gonna swell up and bleed his human.
Cottos one of my fav. boxers man dnt get me wrong but no1 knoes if Margos gloves or wraps were loaded unless they wer der.
Nop not one sided at all.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...evato13/iv.jpg
Does this count? unless you wanna accused Marquez of usin plaster on his wraps dis pretty much cuts it.
Cotto took a beatin on the later half of the fight because his broken nose was makin him gas out and he was movin less and less as the fight moved on henceforth the reason why Margo started landing more shots in his face.
I voted Don't know. I think he probably did, but without proof no one can say definitively whether he did or not. He is a piece of shit and I'd love to see him get knocked out another 10 times.
Mosley landed quite a few bombs on Cotto too but his face didnt look like it did after the Margo fight. and i consider Mosley a much harder puncher than Margs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Margarito landed alot more dan Mosley and in combinations of 4s and 5s...Mosley only landed lik 1,2s sure he hits harder but Margo hit him way more times and more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkMosley landed quite a few bombs on Cotto too but his face didnt look like it did after the Margo fight. and i consider Mosley a much harder puncher than Margs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
No one is ever going to know but conclussions are drawn.Nothing like 20/20 hindsight and some armchair detective work though.I think to point to Cottos busted up face as 'evidence' is somewhat weak.You can pick apart any era,any year of the sport and find mugs just as distorted and lumped up.Cotto was getting hit clean,body and head,much and from all angles.
Completely agree with u. You got it all in one small and solid paragraph.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
IMO yes , lot of things happened in that fight , at the same time we have to add that Evangelista probably didn't be meticulous checking the wraps work , in that moment they had problems in their corner , so that would be ones of the consequences that could happened in that night.....
Other thing is , the way that Cotto been after the fight , he been inflamed during 3 weeks and bleeding through his ears , how can a boxer that don't have imminent punch as Margaro do that kind of thing ? , yes i know that probably somebody can give an answer , but why the doubt still existing..........
:vd: Hand wraps get cut off after every fight. It's impossible for him to have used the same ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.
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Originally Posted by Macho
This is what I was wondering. What did Cotto's corner (was it Evangelista in there) say after all this? Did he say, "No way I watched like a hawk. Those wraps were legal.", or did he say, "Well I don't know, I never thought they would try to cheat! I mean I was in there, but not the whole time and I wasn't watching with all my attention."? Because to cheat you have to have the opportunity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I could be totally wrong here, but I swear I remember someone from HBO saying that E. Cotto didn't even have anyone watching Margarito getting his hands wrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_MykQuote:
Originally Posted by Macho
This is what I was wondering. What did Cotto's corner (was it Evangelista in there) say after all this? Did he say, "No way I watched like a hawk. Those wraps were legal.", or did he say, "Well I don't know, I never thought they would try to cheat! I mean I was in there, but not the whole time and I wasn't watching with all my attention."? Because to cheat you have to have the opportunity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The knucklepad...not the hand wraps. That's what was actually coated in plaster, not the whole hand wraps, but the knucklepad. Come on VD, common sense. It's possible, I mean the blood is in the same spot. They were used before...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Hand wraps get cut off after every fight. It's impossible for him to have used the same ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.