pretty ridiculous if you ask me, combined with the Arreola situation and well they're seriously going downhill
11-04-2009, 01:51 PM
Howlin Mad Missy
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
people used to hold the WBC with high regard (relatively speaking) :-\
11-04-2009, 02:00 PM
ElTerribleMorales
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
people used to hold the WBC with high regard (relatively speaking) :-\
exactly my point, it's seriously becoming quite ridiculous as of late, seems to be following the WBA's footsteps
11-04-2009, 02:06 PM
Gandalf
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
They are nuts. Can't we just ban the WBC? They seem to be a bunch of raving shitheads.
11-04-2009, 02:21 PM
Mar
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Yea that's what's wrong with the sport.....can't blame mma fans for laughing at this one. If your father cusses on tv then he really can't be in the corner.
11-04-2009, 02:35 PM
ElTerribleMorales
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
pretty ridiculous seeing how Morales one of their most highly touted fighters was trained by his father for about 98% of his career, and how Chavez their star fighter is constantly seen yelling to his son from the front row, he only doesn't work the corner cause of lack of time and well personal probs, making it that much more ridiculous
11-04-2009, 03:47 PM
BoxingChaos
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
It's no secret that boxing has it's lengthy share of injuries and fatalities, but I personally would like to see more on this subject. All they are feeding is words as far as I am concerned.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Show me the list, make me a believer, don't just tell me about it, where is the study? Give me names, dates and everything else you have to offer in order to back up your claims.
What's next? No UNCLE Roger's?
I understand where the WBC is coming from, this is nothing new about a parent pushing his or her child to the limits and beyond but some fathers make a living from this. How are you going to deny a person to work?
What the hell is going on in Korea that all these strange new ORDERS are being made?
Concentrate more on fixing the judges problems, re educate them. There is nothing more that bothers me in a fight when I hear an announcer sitting ring side say: "I don't know what the judges are looking for."
This should never be an option that a judge can score a fight based on what he likes. This is not a taste test.
Implement the instant replay for questionable rulings.
Allow judges to be interviewed after the fight and set an age limit of no more than 65 yrs. I have seen some judges who are older than Moses.
If Ref makes a bad call, he should be brought up before some kind of hearing, review. We need a boxing Internal Affairs.
I guess I would start there and I would not stop until this was well organized.
Again, show me the data you have gathered on the father/son death ratio.
TY.
I guess the hand wrap scandal should also be something these clowns should assure any one and everyone that it will never happen again.
11-04-2009, 03:53 PM
ElTerribleMorales
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********
It's no secret that boxing has it's lengthy share of injuries and fatalities, but I personally would like to see more on this subject. All they are feeding is words as far as I am concerned.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Show me the list, make a believer, don't just tell me about it, where is the study? Give me names, dates and everything else you have to offer in order to back up your claims.
What's next? No UNCLE Roger's?
I understand where the WBC is coming from, this is nothing new about a parent pushing his or her child to the limits and beyond but some fathers make a living from this. How are you going to deny a person to work?
What the hell is going on in Korea that all these strange new ORDERS are being made?
Concentrate more on fixing the judges problems, re educate them. There is nothing more that bothers me in a fight when I hear an announcer sitting ring side say: "I don't know what the judges are looking for."
This should never be an option that a judge can score a fight based on what he likes. This is not a taste test.
Implement the instant replay for questionable rulings.
Allow judges to be interviewed after the fight and set an age limit of no more than 65 yrs. I have seen some judges who are older than Moses.
If Ref makes a bad call, he should be brought up before some kind of hearing, review. We need a boxing Internal Affairs.
I guess I would start there and I would not stop until this was well organized.
Again, show me the data you have gathered on the father/son death ratio.
TY.
Nevada has just approved of instant replay in fights, which is a step in the right direction
and i can think up more names of fighter who have benefited from having their father's in their corner than the ones who have not
Felix "Tito" Trinidad - his dad saving him in the Hopkins fight was a clear example of this
Erik Morales - his father was the one who urged him to retire
Shane Mosley - willingly stepped out of the picture when he also felt that he wasn't best fight to help his son in the Margarito fight
11-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Wayne
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********
It's no secret that boxing has it's lengthy share of injuries and fatalities, but I personally would like to see more on this subject. All they are feeding is words as far as I am concerned.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Show me the list, make me a believer, don't just tell me about it, where is the study? Give me names, dates and everything else you have to offer in order to back up your claims.
What's next? No UNCLE Roger's?
I understand where the WBC is coming from, this is nothing new about a parent pushing his or her child to the limits and beyond but some fathers make a living from this. How are you going to deny a person to work?
What the hell is going on in Korea that all these strange new ORDERS are being made?
Concentrate more on fixing the judges problems, re educate them. There is nothing more that bothers me in a fight when I hear an announcer sitting ring side say: "I don't know what the judges are looking for."
This should never be an option that a judge can score a fight based on what he likes. This is not a taste test.
Implement the instant replay for questionable rulings.
Allow judges to be interviewed after the fight and set an age limit of no more than 65 yrs. I have seen some judges who are older than Moses.
If Ref makes a bad call, he should be brought up before some kind of hearing, review. We need a boxing Internal Affairs.
I guess I would start there and I would not stop until this was well organized.
Again, show me the data you have gathered on the father/son death ratio.
TY.
I guess the hand wrap scandal should also be something these clowns should assure any one and everyone that it will never happen again.
You know what else is common? Bread. Either all the fighters who have died ate bread or at least at some point in their lives had eaten bread. The WBC should be really proactive and ban all fighters who've ever consumed the baked good in any form.
11-04-2009, 03:58 PM
BoxingChaos
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********
It's no secret that boxing has it's lengthy share of injuries and fatalities, but I personally would like to see more on this subject. All they are feeding is words as far as I am concerned.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Show me the list, make a believer, don't just tell me about it, where is the study? Give me names, dates and everything else you have to offer in order to back up your claims.
What's next? No UNCLE Roger's?
I understand where the WBC is coming from, this is nothing new about a parent pushing his or her child to the limits and beyond but some fathers make a living from this. How are you going to deny a person to work?
What the hell is going on in Korea that all these strange new ORDERS are being made?
Concentrate more on fixing the judges problems, re educate them. There is nothing more that bothers me in a fight when I hear an announcer sitting ring side say: "I don't know what the judges are looking for."
This should never be an option that a judge can score a fight based on what he likes. This is not a taste test.
Implement the instant replay for questionable rulings.
Allow judges to be interviewed after the fight and set an age limit of no more than 65 yrs. I have seen some judges who are older than Moses.
If Ref makes a bad call, he should be brought up before some kind of hearing, review. We need a boxing Internal Affairs.
I guess I would start there and I would not stop until this was well organized.
Again, show me the data you have gathered on the father/son death ratio.
TY.
Nevada has just approved of instant replay in fights, which is a step in the right direction
and i can think up more names of fighter who have benefited from having their father's in their corner than the ones who have not
Felix "Tito" Trinidad - his dad saving him in the Hopkins fight was a clear example of this
Erik Morales - his father was the one who urged him to retire
Shane Mosley - willingly stepped out of the picture when he also felt that he wasn't best fight to help his son in the Margarito fight
Perfect examples!
I think something is going on in Korea that they are not telling us.
WAG THE DOG.
:mad:
11-04-2009, 04:01 PM
BoxingChaos
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***********
It's no secret that boxing has it's lengthy share of injuries and fatalities, but I personally would like to see more on this subject. All they are feeding is words as far as I am concerned.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Show me the list, make me a believer, don't just tell me about it, where is the study? Give me names, dates and everything else you have to offer in order to back up your claims.
What's next? No UNCLE Roger's?
I understand where the WBC is coming from, this is nothing new about a parent pushing his or her child to the limits and beyond but some fathers make a living from this. How are you going to deny a person to work?
What the hell is going on in Korea that all these strange new ORDERS are being made?
Concentrate more on fixing the judges problems, re educate them. There is nothing more that bothers me in a fight when I hear an announcer sitting ring side say: "I don't know what the judges are looking for."
This should never be an option that a judge can score a fight based on what he likes. This is not a taste test.
Implement the instant replay for questionable rulings.
Allow judges to be interviewed after the fight and set an age limit of no more than 65 yrs. I have seen some judges who are older than Moses.
If Ref makes a bad call, he should be brought up before some kind of hearing, review. We need a boxing Internal Affairs.
I guess I would start there and I would not stop until this was well organized.
Again, show me the data you have gathered on the father/son death ratio.
TY.
I guess the hand wrap scandal should also be something these clowns should assure any one and everyone that it will never happen again.
You know what else is common? Bread. Either all the fighters who have died ate bread or at least at some point in their lives had eaten bread. The WBC should be really proactive and ban all fighters who've ever consumed the baked good in any form.
;D Damn it, and here I was thinking that just maybe, it was the water.
I think you are on to something.
;D
11-04-2009, 04:06 PM
Wayne
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Bread shouldn't even be legal. 98.77% of all people who die, by natural causes, misadventure or foul play ate bread within a 6 month period of their death. Scary, huh?
11-04-2009, 04:39 PM
Youngblood
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
This sounds really, really stupid. I mean, won't affect me at all, my dad can't even hold a camera to take pics or vids he shakes so bad when I fight haha. But yea, a lot of fighters their fathers are seasoned, trained professionals.
Meh, they making up rules and bannings for all the wrong reasons. Are they all a buncha punch drunk power broker wannabes or sumthin? wtf?
11-04-2009, 04:44 PM
amat
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Someone needs to take care of this Suliaman guy. The WBC may be more credible then others but this guy is a complete wack-job. This is something you would be more worried about with youth boxers not professionals. How ridiculous.
11-04-2009, 05:38 PM
Nameless
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Can we just use Sulaiman, stuff him like the stuff animals you find in any good hunting shack and display him in a museum? he would be as entertaining here than in reality without the silly stuff he seems able to spew relentlessly.
11-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Wayne
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
This sounds really, really stupid. I mean, won't affect me at all, my dad can't even hold a camera to take pics or vids he shakes so bad when I fight haha. But yea, a lot of fighters their fathers are seasoned, trained professionals.
Meh, they making up rules and bannings for all the wrong reasons. Are they all a buncha punch drunk power broker wannabes or sumthin? wtf?
Remember the story a couple years ago about Sulaiman's son wanting Pavlik's t-shirt? They tried to strongarm him for that.
11-04-2009, 06:36 PM
BoxingChaos
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
This sounds really, really stupid. I mean, won't affect me at all, my dad can't even hold a camera to take pics or vids he shakes so bad when I fight haha. But yea, a lot of fighters their fathers are seasoned, trained professionals.
Meh, they making up rules and bannings for all the wrong reasons. Are they all a buncha punch drunk power broker wannabes or sumthin? wtf?
Remember the story a couple years ago about Sulaiman's son wanting Pavlik's t-shirt? They tried to strongarm him for that.
They also did it to Sergio Mora, I think it was the gloves. Sergio had already promised them to some one else when his son came in and demanded he hand them over. What a bunch of phuking dirty weasels these Sulaiman's are. :mad:
11-04-2009, 07:18 PM
jon09
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Every fighter who possesses this piece of crap title should line up on national television and throw it in the garbage and burn it.
11-04-2009, 07:47 PM
BoxingChaos
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Every fighter who possesses this piece of crap title should line up on national television and throw it in the garbage and burn it.
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Well that pretty much ends any hope of a Calzaghe comeback.
What's next in their new rule book, anyone working a boxers corner must be in uniform or else face disqualification and revoking of their license? :rolleyes:
11-04-2009, 10:05 PM
amat
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well that pretty much ends any hope of a Calzaghe comeback.
What's next in their new rule book, anyone working a boxers corner must be in uniform or else face disqualification and revoking of their license? :rolleyes:
Like Calzaghe needs any excuse to come back for the WBO belt.
11-05-2009, 11:31 AM
Mattyhitman
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Hmmm, maybe its not as daft as some may think, anyone remember the fight with Hatton V Stevie Smith in 2002 in Manchester?? The ref Micky Vann ( Hattons best friend ;D ) very nearly got sparked by Stevie's dad 'Darkie smith" as he didnt like the decisions from Vann, he climbed in the ring and had a pop at him which resulted in the been stopped by DQ. In fact as a result i believe he was banned from been in his sons corner by the BBBC.
11-05-2009, 11:43 AM
Youngblood
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Hmmm, maybe its not as daft as some may think, anyone remember the fight with Hatton V Stevie Smith in 2002 in Manchester?? The ref Micky Vann ( Hattons best friend ;D ) very nearly got sparked by Stevie's dad 'Darkie smith" as he didnt like the decisions from Vann, he climbed in the ring and had a pop at him which resulted in the been stopped by DQ. In fact as a result i believe he was banned from been in his sons corner by the BBBC.
It's a slippery slope bro, is the prob. You can find one or 2 exceptions for just about anything in this world. There is more going on here then meets the eye and common sense imo. They gonna ban all cornermen, next time one does something stupid? Know what I'm saying?
11-06-2009, 09:14 AM
HattonTheHammer
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
retarded idea
Not entirely sure if JC ever held the WBC belt at SM but thats pretty much the pinnacle of an excellent trainer/fighter relationship regardless of if its family or not.
Of course you get incidents such as zabs old man knocking him out and stevie smiths dad jumping into the ring and fighting the ref, but they should be dealt with as individual incidents rather than putting everyone in the same basket!
11-06-2009, 11:00 AM
Mattyhitman
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Hmmm, maybe its not as daft as some may think, anyone remember the fight with Hatton V Stevie Smith in 2002 in Manchester?? The ref Micky Vann ( Hattons best friend ;D ) very nearly got sparked by Stevie's dad 'Darkie smith" as he didnt like the decisions from Vann, he climbed in the ring and had a pop at him which resulted in the been stopped by DQ. In fact as a result i believe he was banned from been in his sons corner by the BBBC.
It's a slippery slope bro, is the prob. You can find one or 2 exceptions for just about anything in this world. There is more going on here then meets the eye and common sense imo. They gonna ban all cornermen, next time one does something stupid? Know what I'm saying?
Yep, dont get me wrong bro, i feel for the peeps whom would suffer from such a decision. On the other hand ya can also see how these things do happen. I remember a particular bout in the UK some years ago, a young boxer getting battered in the ring, and his mother of all people jumped in the ring from the front row and started hitting the other boxer with her handbag :bashtroll4cx4: :o
11-06-2009, 11:13 AM
ElTerribleMorales
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Hmmm, maybe its not as daft as some may think, anyone remember the fight with Hatton V Stevie Smith in 2002 in Manchester?? The ref Micky Vann ( Hattons best friend ;D ) very nearly got sparked by Stevie's dad 'Darkie smith" as he didnt like the decisions from Vann, he climbed in the ring and had a pop at him which resulted in the been stopped by DQ. In fact as a result i believe he was banned from been in his sons corner by the BBBC.
It's a slippery slope bro, is the prob. You can find one or 2 exceptions for just about anything in this world. There is more going on here then meets the eye and common sense imo. They gonna ban all cornermen, next time one does something stupid? Know what I'm saying?
Yep, dont get me wrong bro, i feel for the peeps whom would suffer from such a decision. On the other hand ya can also see how these things do happen. I remember a particular bout in the UK some years ago, a young boxer getting battered in the ring, and his mother of all people jumped in the ring from the front row and started hitting the other boxer with her handbag :bashtroll4cx4: :o
it was her shoe, not her handbag, and her son ended up winning :-\, should have been a DQ in favor of the other guy
11-06-2009, 11:41 AM
Mattyhitman
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
It's a slippery slope bro, is the prob. You can find one or 2 exceptions for just about anything in this world. There is more going on here then meets the eye and common sense imo. They gonna ban all cornermen, next time one does something stupid? Know what I'm saying?
Yep, dont get me wrong bro, i feel for the peeps whom would suffer from such a decision. On the other hand ya can also see how these things do happen. I remember a particular bout in the UK some years ago, a young boxer getting battered in the ring, and his mother of all people jumped in the ring from the front row and started hitting the other boxer with her handbag :bashtroll4cx4: :o
it was her shoe, not her handbag, and her son ended up winning :-\, should have been a DQ in favor of the other guy
:o WOW bloody good memory you mate, i knew it was something like that, bloody funny all the same mind ;D
11-06-2009, 11:53 AM
Gandalf
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
I want to ban the WBC from boxing because they are con artists and seriously taking the piss with these bizarre and draconian suggestions and enforcements.
I don't know why we give the time of day to these gold spray on tin, belt organisations. They are all a crock of shit at the end of the day and don't mean anything anymore.
11-06-2009, 11:55 AM
ElTerribleMorales
Re: WBC wants all fathers banned from working sons corners
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Yep, dont get me wrong bro, i feel for the peeps whom would suffer from such a decision. On the other hand ya can also see how these things do happen. I remember a particular bout in the UK some years ago, a young boxer getting battered in the ring, and his mother of all people jumped in the ring from the front row and started hitting the other boxer with her handbag :bashtroll4cx4: :o
it was her shoe, not her handbag, and her son ended up winning :-\, should have been a DQ in favor of the other guy
:o WOW bloody good memory you mate, i knew it was something like that, bloody funny all the same mind ;D
i initially get pissed off every time i see the clip, but end up laughing like a minute later lol
