Haye Valuev two outcomes

Outcome 1 - Bell goes for round one. Valuev misses with a slow jab and Haye knocks him clean out with a Right cross Left hook combo.

Outcome 2 - Haye outboxes Valuev winning first 9 rounds clearly. Rounds 10 - 12 are a bit of a hugging match as both boxers tire and Valeuv lands a few clubbing punches in each of the last three rounds to Haye's gloves and back of the head.

Most neutral observers give Haye at least 11 rounds out of twelve.

The decision 120 - 108 Haye, 113 - 114 Valuev and the third judge scores it 115 - 114 for the winner and stilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Heavyweight champion of the world.

Haye is incensed and storms from the ring, even Don King is lost for words. Valuev claiams he did enough to win.

Boxing hey what a great sport. Don King finally manages to blurt out a few words "Only in Nuremburg" he mutters then chuckles.

How about these outcomes?

#3 Haye comes out guns a blazin' and Valuev takes the punches, weathers the storm and then bludgeons a tired David Haye into submission late in the fight.

#4 Valuev loads up on the first punch he throws and Haye is knocked for a loop and Valuev follows up on him ending the fight early.

I think with Valuev's size and his ability to connect with decent power (he's no power puncher) he has enough to tire Haye out if David comes in with his mind not right or with horrible strategy.

By all means Haye SHOULD win, but he's so flawed and it's only his 3rd heavyweight fight and saddly this is a HUGE step up in competition for Haye, whether or not his fans want to admit that is erroneous

#3 lyle ???

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

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#3 lyle ???

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

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given the amount of shit he talks, and his belief that he's the best thing to come out of England since Lewis..........i don't think that it's too far from the truth lol

Anyone know what time this starts in the US? Would like to see this and I might need to plan my day around what time this comes on?

Depends where bouts u are in the US, the fight starts in the UK bout 9:30/10:00.

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#3 lyle ???

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

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Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

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#3 lyle ???

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

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Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

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He wont be tired, happy now?:)

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#3 lyle ???

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

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Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

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wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

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wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

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You can think that if you like, but what does it say when Haye AND his trainer have shit for brains?

haye's just a puncher. but he's gonna beat valuev.

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haye's just a puncher. but he's gonna beat valuev.

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He MIGHT beat Valuev....he SHOULD beat Valuev, but give me some boxing brains over brawn any day of the week.

Holyfield and Chagaev did well vs Valuev because they are smart fighters who have decent defense. When they can land more than 1 punch at a time they do it, when they can block a punch they block it....David Haye seems to fight like he's in some sort of video game, he likes to fight flat footed, throwing 1 big bomb at a time, and paying little to no attention to defense....and that is why I figured he would have benefitted from LEARNING how to be a heavyweight with more heavyweight bouts, but if he wants to learn his lesson the hard way, by wandering through the division like a cat without whiskers constantly getting stuck in places, then he is obviously going to learn a very tough lesson in a very hard way.

If David Haye simply fought with Holyfield's style, I would see him having great success in the division, but this fight is close to being a lose-lose situation for Haye, if he wins he was supposed to, if he loses he's a step away from being Audley Harrison, if he struggles with Valuev then I'm betting he shies away from fighting Wlad or Vitali and relegates himself to trying to defend his title vs whoever the WBA/Don King promotes

you're overrating Valuev big time.

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Anyone know what time this starts in the US? Would like to see this and I might need to plan my day around what time this comes on?

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Well it was scheduled for PPV 3 pm - 7 pm eastern, but it has been cancelled and replaced by "Stag Naughty Girls" at least on my service. They are only showing the replay on my cable system now which runs from 9 pm - 1 am eastern.

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you're overrating Valuev big time.

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Am I? I thought Haye's camp was overrating him, saying bullcrap about how Valuev has never been hurt, which is an outright lie.

I don't know what is going to happen in this fight, but I do know if Haye fights a dumb fight he can still win but he can also be humiliated. I know Haye has flaws in his game which recently he's been able to cover up because he's bigger than his opponents, he's in better shape, and he has decent power (as a cruiserweight, we can't say how his power is at heavyweight yet)...I'm not sure if Valuev has what it takes to uncover those flaws, but I am interested in the outcome.

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wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

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You can think that if you like, but what does it say when Haye AND his trainer have shit for brains?

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Another GEM from the ultra intelligent Lyle! I suppose Haye fought like he had shit for brains tonight then?

I have said it in other threads but i'll say it again I was suprised with Haye's tactics, but he proved he could change style's when need be and it was good to see the hairy russian on jelly legs at the end when Haye rocked him!

Haye fought like he wasn't the guy who said he was bringing EXCITEMENT to the division

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Haye fought like he wasn't the guy who said he was bringing EXCITEMENT to the division

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Wladimir promises excitement and NEVER delivers. This is the only time Haye hasn't!

Wladimir only promises wins and he delivers more often than not....Haye's mouth has run nonstop his entire career and to win the way he did.....man, that has to be a hollow feeling for David.

No your wrong. Before the Ibragimov fight Sky showed an interview with Wlad where he promised excitement. Did he deliver??

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No your wrong. Before the Ibragimov fight Sky showed an interview with Wlad where he promised excitement. Did he deliver??

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Where is this interview?

Haye promised to KO Valuev and he never even tried....Wlad was at least trying to land a big punch on Ibragimov

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No your wrong. Before the Ibragimov fight Sky showed an interview with Wlad where he promised excitement. Did he deliver??

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Where is this interview?

Haye promised to KO Valuev and he never even tried....Wlad was at least trying to land a big punch on Ibragimov

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I'll try and find it. It's fact though, a friend of mine is a Klit fan and he has the career set for Wlad up until the Thompson fight, thats where I saw the interview.

Wlad is the most 'Gun shy' heavyweight out there. He's shit scared of getting into a fight since he got whacked out by 2 bums. Wlad has great skills, but doesn't use them anymore. I still think he batters Haye though!

this has officially turned into "When Fanboy's Collide"...

The only Heavyweight that is anywhere near fit to carry Holyfield or Lewis' jockstrap is Vitali Klitchko - Fact :cool: