Haye Valuev two outcomes

[El Kabong]

#3 lyle

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

[mattboxingfan]

#3 lyle

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

He wont be tired, happy now?

[sumkalambay]

#3 lyle

If Haye let that happen after what he has supposably learned in the Thompson fight then I think you could clinically classify him as retarded.

Hey, you never can judge the pace of a fight...it's unlikely vs Valuev but not impossible.

Gassing out happened 2 times to Wlad Klitschko, and he is a SMART fighter. Let Haye throw big bombs and then get punched, tied up, and leaned on by a guy weighing 320 pounds and tell me he won't be tired by the 5th round!

wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

[El Kabong]

wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

You can think that if you like, but what does it say when Haye AND his trainer have shit for brains?

[sumkalambay]

haye's just a puncher. but he's gonna beat valuev.

[El Kabong]

haye's just a puncher. but he's gonna beat valuev.

He MIGHT beat Valuev....he SHOULD beat Valuev, but give me some boxing brains over brawn any day of the week.

Holyfield and Chagaev did well vs Valuev because they are smart fighters who have decent defense. When they can land more than 1 punch at a time they do it, when they can block a punch they block it....David Haye seems to fight like he's in some sort of video game, he likes to fight flat footed, throwing 1 big bomb at a time, and paying little to no attention to defense....and that is why I figured he would have benefitted from LEARNING how to be a heavyweight with more heavyweight bouts, but if he wants to learn his lesson the hard way, by wandering through the division like a cat without whiskers constantly getting stuck in places, then he is obviously going to learn a very tough lesson in a very hard way.

If David Haye simply fought with Holyfield's style, I would see him having great success in the division, but this fight is close to being a lose-lose situation for Haye, if he wins he was supposed to, if he loses he's a step away from being Audley Harrison, if he struggles with Valuev then I'm betting he shies away from fighting Wlad or Vitali and relegates himself to trying to defend his title vs whoever the WBA/Don King promotes

[sumkalambay]

you're overrating Valuev big time.

[El Kabong]

you're overrating Valuev big time.

Am I? I thought Haye's camp was overrating him, saying bullcrap about how Valuev has never been hurt, which is an outright lie.

I don't know what is going to happen in this fight, but I do know if Haye fights a dumb fight he can still win but he can also be humiliated. I know Haye has flaws in his game which recently he's been able to cover up because he's bigger than his opponents, he's in better shape, and he has decent power (as a cruiserweight, we can't say how his power is at heavyweight yet)...I'm not sure if Valuev has what it takes to uncover those flaws, but I am interested in the outcome.

[rjj tszyu]

wlad isn't a smart fighter. steward's the smart one. steward ain't a skills-man like eddie futch was, but he is practical.

You can think that if you like, but what does it say when Haye AND his trainer have shit for brains?

Another GEM from the ultra intelligent Lyle! I suppose Haye fought like he had shit for brains tonight then?

I have said it in other threads but i'll say it again I was suprised with Haye's tactics, but he proved he could change style's when need be and it was good to see the hairy russian on jelly legs at the end when Haye rocked him!

[El Kabong]

Haye fought like he wasn't the guy who said he was bringing EXCITEMENT to the division

[rjj tszyu]

Haye fought like he wasn't the guy who said he was bringing EXCITEMENT to the division

Wladimir promises excitement and NEVER delivers. This is the only time Haye hasn't!

[El Kabong]

Wladimir only promises wins and he delivers more often than not....Haye's mouth has run nonstop his entire career and to win the way he did.....man, that has to be a hollow feeling for David.