Pavlik vs Espino Set For December 19, Top Rank PPV

Pavlik vs Espino Set For December 19, Top Rank PPV - Boxing News

WBC/WBO Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik has, according to various reports, recovered from his staph infection and plans to defend his titles against Miguel Espino of "The Contender" fame on December 19 in the headline bout of a show that takes place in his backyard of Youngstown, Ohio. Pavlik had been scheduled to face Paul Williams on December 5 but withdrew, for the second time, with the lingering staph infectionon his left hand. Williams will now face Sergio Martinez on the same date.
Undeafetd junior middleweight Vanes Martirosyan was advised by Top Rank that he might land in the co-feature spot on the card. The event will be shown by Top Rank pay-per-view. The event will take place at the Beeghly Center on the campus of Youngstown State University. Pavlik's trainer Jack Loew told local media that deal was signed on Monday afternoon.

What the fuck? So the Williams fight had to be delayed and then scrapped only for Pavlik to fight a nobody three weeks or so after the proposed Pavlik-Williams fight? I've said it before and I'll say it again motherfuck Kelly Pavlik and motherfuck Jack Loew. I hope Espino knocks him cold.

Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

Pavlik is for the taking and his camp knows it, thats why this fight is announced 2 days after Williams vs Martinez...

Screw Kelly pavlik, he is piss poor

Yea I think this looks bad...he has a large hill to climb to gain back that reputation. I mean I know his hand was messed up at some point, but all these back stories, punching his hand through glass, kicking a fan in the sac, rehab, dicking Williams around. I am ok with Pavlik fighting nothing but bums at this point

Pavlik ducked, now its clear as day, he is fighting the same day as Williams...wow just wow. Wasn't Jack Loew talking mad shit to JT saying he was ducking Pavlik? Thats why I am sick of trainers calling boxers duckers. They turn around and do the same shit almost always...

Wow, just a big fat wow!

He turned over Williams for this? Something is definitely wrong in the Pavlik camp. He's not keen on a big fight at all. :-\

Some interesting fresh updates concerning Pavlik and a hint that William's still on their grill if they can make it happen:

Kelly Pavlik to defend title against Espino on Dec. 19 - ESPN

well done in weasling your way out of another beating at the hands of PW

I seriously hope kelly and loew would just f*ck off to MMA for good



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This doesn't look good on Pavliks behalf.

I disagreed with those that said Pavlik was ducking Williams especially when Kelly has fought the likes of Miranda, Taylor and Hopkins but right now my arguement doesn't look so good.

Pavlik's career has been on a downward spiral ever since the loss to Hopkins.

He can fight espi-whoever and he can't fight williams ?? He really just should have said he didn't want to fight the guy and saved them both some time. Not to many people can blame him.

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This doesn't look good on Pavliks behalf.

I disagreed with those that said Pavlik was ducking Williams especially when Kelly has fought the likes of Miranda, Taylor and Hopkins but right now my arguement doesn't look so good.

Pavlik's career has been on a downward spiral ever since the loss to Hopkins.

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It hasnt even started back up since has it?

Apart from a classic against the great marco antonio rubio that is ;D;D;D

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This doesn't look good on Pavliks behalf.

I disagreed with those that said Pavlik was ducking Williams especially when Kelly has fought the likes of Miranda, Taylor and Hopkins but right now my arguement doesn't look so good.

Pavlik's career has been on a downward spiral ever since the loss to Hopkins.

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It hasnt even started back up since has it?

Apart from a classic against the great marco antonio rubio that is ;D;D;D

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At this rate Pavlik's career will never get back on track.

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He can fight espi-whoever and he can't fight williams ?? He really just should have said he didn't want to fight the guy and saved them both some time. Not to many people can blame him.

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Wow, Pavlik should have waited until AT LEAST February to fight someone else if he didn't want to look like he wasn't dodging Williams...

This officially confirms that people are ducking Williams...there wasn't much evidence before, but this is just blatant...

unless Williams didn't want to move to the 19th, which isn't likely. Maybe this has more to do with arranging dates at the venue, but still, doesn't look good for Pavlik.

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Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

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I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

It really does appear more and more as if Hopkins huffed and puffed and blew his stick house down...

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Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

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I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

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I may have singled you out, but I wasn't trying to be a prick because it's not just you. I think of the big name american fighters, Pavlik is hated on this board the most other than maybe Allen Green. CFH hates him the most of any active fighter and Hattonthehammer's opinion of him is not much better. Admittedly, I like Pavlik. He seems like a regular guy and he gives back to the community he comes from. I appreciate that.

And to say Pavlik is a bitch who generally ducks fighters is horsesh*t. He fought Miranda, Taylor twice, and went up ten pounds to fight Hopkins. That doesn't sound like a guy who is scared. The Hopkins loss may have brought him down to reality a little bit. But, he then beat Rubio, who although limited, was a top ten middleweight at the time.

I totally agree that Espino is a joke. Why else is Pavlik only being paid $500k for a middleweight title fight and doing it in Youngstown?

Listen, if he fights Espino and then doesn't fight a top guy, I'll be the first to admit he is ducking tough fights. I'm goign to give him the benefit of the doubt for a weak 2009, but if he continues this way, he drops big time in my book.

Again giving him the benefit of the doubt, what probably happened is that Pavlik hasn't been as professional about his training recently and his team decided he needed an easy opponent to get him back into the swing of things before fighting an elite level boxer. Maybe they aren't confident that his hand is back to normal and want someone that doesn't require a full training camp. That said, another viable option is that he actually is ducking Williams. We'll see if he fights him after Espino.

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Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

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I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

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I may have singled you out, but I wasn't trying to be a prick because it's not just you. I think of the big name american fighters, Pavlik is hated on this board the most other than maybe Allen Green.

I totally agree that Espino is a joke. Why else is Pavlik only being paid $500k for a middleweight title fight and doing it in Youngstown?

Listen, if he fights Espino and then doesn't fight a top guy, I'll be the first to admit he is ducking tough fights.

To be fair, what probably happened is that Pavlik hasn't been as professional about his training recently and his team decided he needed an easy opponent to get him back into the swing of things before fighting an elite level boxer. Maybe they aren't confident that his hand is back to normal and want someone that doesn't require a full training camp. That said, another viable option is that he actually is ducking Williams. We'll see if he fights him after Espino.

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No I know you weren't, I was just making the point that you can see why. See after Espino, he'll have 2 mandatories to hide behind. He bitched and moaned to the media that he had no idea why Top Rank cancelled the Mora fight because he felt healthy, so he signs to fight Williams and he still has a staph infection. So the re-arrange the fight and he still has a staph infection. Dude can't even close his fist. 2 days after Williams signs for another fight, Pavlik is fighting Espino. Unbelievable.

The only plausible explanation for this decision is that Kelly isn't 100%. He needs to be 100% and firing on all cylinders to beat Williams. And even then, it is a who knows, let's see what happens deal.

If there is any other reason then this for the decision for the Espinosa match up right after cancelling, then it's a pretty weak and moot point.

...Kelly Pavlik, "ducking" personified!!!! Used to think Kelly was ok, but this is bullshit, fighting 3 weeks after he was scheduled to fight when his camp had said "He was close to dying because of a staff infection"......BOOOOOOO!!!!


Here's Pavlik's new ring walk music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdFIXsrjkXI


Hey Kelly!...:fyou:


And Paul Williams, for taking on SERGIO MARTINEZ when Kelly Pavlik ducked you.....for both you and Sergio, that takes B-A-L-L-S my friend. Both of you are doing good work in boxing.

from what I've read in that article, it is the WIlliam camp that said it was a no go: apparently top rank proposed William to delay the fight by 2 more weeks but they refused because they were afraid (as the hand didn't look good) to get screwed again, so they went with their own replacement plan in Sergio Martinez. Then, Toprank found another opponent for Pavlik and there we are... hopefully somewhere in march or april they'll make it happen.

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what a joke pavlik is! it is so obvious how he was ducking williams.williams would have torn pavlik up from the ground up.i lost all respect for pavlik.he wants to keep fighting nobodys because he thinks that will make him look good.he is a chicken in my book.

you aRE A SORRY DUCKING FIGHTER KELLY PAVLIK. WHY DONT YOU FIGHT A REAL FIGHTER?

Here's more info on why he took the fight, from the local paper here.

Pavlik fights at YSU Dec. 19 - Local & Regional News, Pavlik - Vindy.com, The Vindicator

“Now, [Williams] will be fighting Sergio Martinez in a 3,500-seat ballroom and we’ll be fighting at home. That tells you who the draw is.”

Gee I wonder why your able to get a better draw in that shit hole that has nothing else going for it? Impeccable logic... not! Sorry, if I offended any Youngstonians, but what a douche.

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“Now, [Williams] will be fighting Sergio Martinez in a 3,500-seat ballroom and we’ll be fighting at home. That tells you who the draw is.”

Gee I wonder why your able to get a better draw in that shit hole that has nothing else going for it? Impeccable logic... not! Sorry, if I offended any Youngstonians, but what a douche.

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I am hard pressed to think of anyone in boxing who I dislike more than Jack Loew. Criminals like Panama Lewis and Margarito excluded of course.

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I am hard pressed to think of anyone in boxing who I dislike more than Jack Loew. Criminals like Panama Lewis and Margarito excluded of course.

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Stoney Stone? Enzo Calzaghe? Rock Neuman? Lou Duva?.....Loew is working his way down to their level

By doing this Pavlik will have lost close to all credibility & most importantly, I'd wonder if he has now really burnt his bridges with HBO. They clearly told Williams that they needed a 6 week delay to fight again & now he's fighting a fortnight later :o:-\

I've been critical of Williams of late, for dragging Martinez up to 160, although I feel this is more to do with Williams no longer being able to make either 147 or 154, but with Pavlik doing this he's royally taken the piss. I'm done with him, he's now on my irrational hate list.

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By doing this Pavlik will have lost close to all credibility & most importantly, I'd wonder if he has now really burnt his bridges with HBO. They clearly told Williams that they needed a 6 week delay to fight again & now he's fighting a fortnight later :o:-\

I've been critical of Williams of late, for dragging Martinez up to 160, although I feel this is more to do with Williams no longer being able to make either 147 or 154, but with Pavlik doing this he's royally taken the piss. I'm done with him, he's now on my irrational hate list.

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I actually give PW a hell of a lot of credit for taking this fight

There is nobody at 160 other than the dodger pavlik to fight. He could conceivably of used this to bolster his rep on HBO and put himself in with a sylvester or lorenzo who he would of just tore through.

Instead he`s fighting one of the top guys at 154

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By doing this Pavlik will have lost close to all credibility & most importantly, I'd wonder if he has now really burnt his bridges with HBO. They clearly told Williams that they needed a 6 week delay to fight again & now he's fighting a fortnight later :o:-\

I've been critical of Williams of late, for dragging Martinez up to 160, although I feel this is more to do with Williams no longer being able to make either 147 or 154, but with Pavlik doing this he's royally taken the piss. I'm done with him, he's now on my irrational hate list.

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I actually give PW a hell of a lot of credit for taking this fight

There is nobody at 160 other than the dodger pavlik to fight. He could conceivably of used this to bolster his rep on HBO and put himself in with a sylvester or lorenzo who he would of just tore through.

Instead he`s fighting one of the top guys at 154

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Except he's fighting him at 160. For a guy who's apparently a Welterweight, that's just bullshit.

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By doing this Pavlik will have lost close to all credibility & most importantly, I'd wonder if he has now really burnt his bridges with HBO. They clearly told Williams that they needed a 6 week delay to fight again & now he's fighting a fortnight later :o:-\

I've been critical of Williams of late, for dragging Martinez up to 160, although I feel this is more to do with Williams no longer being able to make either 147 or 154, but with Pavlik doing this he's royally taken the piss. I'm done with him, he's now on my irrational hate list.

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I actually give PW a hell of a lot of credit for taking this fight

There is nobody at 160 other than the dodger pavlik to fight. He could conceivably of used this to bolster his rep on HBO and put himself in with a sylvester or lorenzo who he would of just tore through.

Instead he`s fighting one of the top guys at 154

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Except he's fighting him at 160. For a guy who's apparently a Welterweight, that's just bullshit.

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Martinez has already said he has no probs with stepping up and feels it`ll suit him

If he fights the same pace he did against cintron he`ll more than make for a good fight. PW himself has only just moved up to 160 so he`ll hardly be the established guy come fight night

I do see PW winning a points decision (no way is he stopping martinez) but this will be far from a dead rubber and i expect sergio to be in it till the very end

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I actually give PW a hell of a lot of credit for taking this fight

There is nobody at 160 other than the dodger pavlik to fight. He could conceivably of used this to bolster his rep on HBO and put himself in with a sylvester or lorenzo who he would of just tore through.

Instead he`s fighting one of the top guys at 154

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Except he's fighting him at 160. For a guy who's apparently a Welterweight, that's just bullshit.

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Martinez has already said he has no probs with stepping up and feels it`ll suit him

If he fights the same pace he did against cintron he`ll more than make for a good fight. PW himself has only just moved up to 160 so he`ll hardly be the established guy come fight night

I do see PW winning a points decision (no way is he stopping martinez) but this will be far from a dead rubber and i expect sergio to be in it till the very end

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I'm not saying it's an easy fight, but I'd just like it if Williams & his team stopped pretending that he's a welterweight who's had to come out of his weightclass to get fights, but rather a guy who's outgrown the weight.

They were saying they had him eating 4 full meals a day to not go under weight for Pavlik, well if that's the case why not fight Martinez at 154 where it would mean more & probably crown a lineal champ. If he says he's a MW, I've got no problem, but after this I don't want him bringing up this shit about how he's so avoided & had to leave 147 to find fights.

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Except he's fighting him at 160. For a guy who's apparently a Welterweight, that's just bullshit.

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Martinez has already said he has no probs with stepping up and feels it`ll suit him

If he fights the same pace he did against cintron he`ll more than make for a good fight. PW himself has only just moved up to 160 so he`ll hardly be the established guy come fight night

I do see PW winning a points decision (no way is he stopping martinez) but this will be far from a dead rubber and i expect sergio to be in it till the very end

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I'm not saying it's an easy fight, but I'd just like it if Williams & his team stopped pretending that he's a welterweight who's had to come out of his weightclass to get fights, but rather a guy who's outgrown the weight.

They were saying they had him eating 4 full meals a day to not go under weight for Pavlik, well if that's the case why not fight Martinez at 154 where it would mean more & probably crown a lineal champ. If he says he's a MW, I've got no problem, but after this I don't want him bringing up this shit about how he's so avoided & had to leave 147 to find fights.

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The strange thing is they were making these comments before the 1st quintana fight and then when and took the rematch at the same weight:rolleyes:

Think anyone can see williams is a natural middle and could easily move up again if needed, that whole 4meals a day thing has got to be b*llocks!

I don't see the reason to give the Williams camp any grief over wanting the fight at 160. They're holding all the cards and deserve to call the shots. Martinez is happy to get this opportunity and is not in a place with this fight to make demands. I know the apparent hypocrisy of the Williams camp is irritating, but this is boxing...

To be fair to Williams though, he's been training and eating with the goal of fighting at 160. It wouldn't be healthy for him, or to his advantage to turn around and try to come back down in a few weeks. The ball is in his court and it would be just stupid for him to bust his balls to come down to 154. Give him a break!

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I don't see the reason to give the Williams camp any grief over wanting the fight at 160. They're holding all the cards and deserve to call the shots. Martinez is happy to get this opportunity and is not in a place with this fight to make demands. I know the apparent hypocrisy of the Williams camp is irritating, but this is boxing...

To be fair to Williams though, he's been training and eating with the goal of fighting at 160. It wouldn't be healthy for him, or to his advantage to turn around and try to come back down in a few weeks. The ball is in his court and it would be just stupid for him to bust his balls to come down to 154. Give him a break!

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Read what I wrote. My problem is with them saying that they have to feed him big meals multiple times a day just to not go under the weight. If that was really the case they could easily have made 154. I have no problem with the fight being at 160 as long as it means they stop calling him a welterweight & acting like he's out of his weightclass he isn't. The way they act it wouldn't be busting his balls to make the weight because he's not a NATURAL middleweight. The evidence would seem to suggest he is. I just want them to cut the shit, I know he's a popular fighter, I like him a lot, but that doesn't mean he gets a pass on talking shit.

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I don't see the reason to give the Williams camp any grief over wanting the fight at 160. They're holding all the cards and deserve to call the shots. Martinez is happy to get this opportunity and is not in a place with this fight to make demands. I know the apparent hypocrisy of the Williams camp is irritating, but this is boxing...

To be fair to Williams though, he's been training and eating with the goal of fighting at 160. It wouldn't be healthy for him, or to his advantage to turn around and try to come back down in a few weeks. The ball is in his court and it would be just stupid for him to bust his balls to come down to 154. Give him a break!

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Williams offered to fight Clottey at 154. Why not Martinez? It is because he holds all the cards like you said not because he was training for 160 and 154 would be too difficult to make. Williams isn't the only one who stacks advantages like that, but he isn't immune to it either.

Cut Pavlik some slack, he has issues and needs an easy fight and keep his title. He should fight Williams next. He is not Mayweather.