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Pac's fight drew a larger gate than Floyd's. Certainly Floyd will argue that it was because it was the two of them whereas HE only sold the Marquez fight.
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Pac's fight drew a larger gate than Floyd's. Certainly Floyd will argue that it was because it was the two of them whereas HE only sold the Marquez fight.
Indeed, he already put that argument forward in his interview with sky sports news the other day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Its a fair argument too. PBF v JMM did way more sales than Pac v JMM. PBF v DLH did more than Pac v DLH and PBF v Hatton did more than Pac v Hatton. Hard for Pac's team to then argue Manny is the bigger PPV draw.
And he would be nearly right. JMM is a little draw. Lets be honest with ourselves here. Throw out your disdain for PBF, l do it all the time, and look at what PBF draws against what Pac draws. You can't just take one fight Pac drew better, with different opponents, and say well that wraps it up. PBF drew more than Pac with every common opponent. You do know that PBF is in the PPV record books right? You can't ignore the facts or try to twist them to favor Pac. Whether you hate him or love him PBF is the bigger draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Not only round one. I expect Floyd to lose the next rounds of negotiations too.
So why didn't Floyd fight Cotto then after all these years?
Floyd has always been saying that he didn't fight Cotto/Mosley because they are not huge draws.
So now he finally admits that Cotto is a huge draw? So why did you duck him back then Floyd??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Jesus Christ these negotiations are gonna take forever. Wake me up when the ink dries. I don't really care which one makes more money, I want to see them fight.
Agreed on who makes what money and takes the percentage of teh ppv buys. I just want to see the fight. That kind of stuff are for the fan boys to argue with.
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Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
There are always circumstances. You don't really become a star till you fight Oscar so comparing the numbers on JMM-Pac and JMM-Floyd is kind of silly, one fought him after he fought Oscar and the other didn't. The fact that Pacquaio fought ODLH after Floyd beat him and Hatton after Floyd beat him probably affected the numbers somewhat (along with the economy)
And here Cotto is a bigger draw than JMM, its just a question of how much bigger? There are only two real draws in boxing, Floyd and Manny, Cotto is in the second tier if there is one.
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Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
This is wrong. PBF v DLH did 2.15 million buys, PBF v Hatton did 1.5 million buys. It sounds as tho Pac v Cotto did 1.6 million buys. So to say that Pac v Cotto smoked anything Floyd has done is just a straight out lie. Mayweather did a million buys with Marquez even when up against a UFC card which would have had a negative effect on that fights numbers.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
This is wrong. PBF v DLH did 2.15 million buys, PBF v Hatton did 1.5 million buys. It sounds as tho Pac v Cotto did 1.6 million buys. So to say that Pac v Cotto smoked anything Floyd has done is just a straight out lie. Mayweather did a million buys with Marquez even when up against a UFC card which would have had a negative effect on that fights numbers.
Your rite sorry my mistake Floyd V Dela Hoya was 2.15 million buys i thought it was less, but the Hatton fight did 920k not 1.5 million.
But I honestly think Pac does more buys now than Mayweather as I have said previously. Lets just get it on 50/50 sounds good to me this fight will do 2.5 buys so who gives a fuck lol
I agree with a lot you say here. These guys are not that far apart in drawing power so this fight should just be 50/50. Or 45/45 and 10% go to the winner. But Roach says he is not backing down from 60/40. I hope that is just a bluffing starter number otherwise this fight will not happen because PBF will definitely not take less than 50% from anyone other than DLH. 45/45 and 10 to the winner is the negotiable, and manly, thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
i agree, IMO neither should be getting a 60/40 cut, it's pretty ridiculous that either one of these guys think that they have the drawing power of DLH, i mean Mayweather and Pacquiao are big and have been pulling big numbers, but they've been doing it against quality opposition and other big names, DLH could get a million buys just by fighting Kid ThunderQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitI agree with a lot you say here. These guys are not that far apart in drawing power so this fight should just be 50/50. Or 45/45 and 10% go to the winner. But Roach says he is not backing down from 60/40. I hope that is just a bluffing starter number otherwise this fight will not happen because PBF will definitely not take less than 50% from anyone other than DLH. 45/45 and 10 to the winner is the negotiable, and manly, thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
This kind of thing happens all the time, I thought 142 was a bargaining move and it was, I think 60/40 is a bargaining move, I'll say it now as a Manny fan, if anybody says 60/40 or fuck off and sticks to it they're pricing themselves out, just another form of ducking.
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Many mexicans contributed to the sales. Its a mexican holiday for john's sake.
Its stupid to compare previous fights. Pac is at least 4X more popular after the Hatton and DLH victories.
50-50 is fair imo.
Well....
Here's what I think. 1. Pacquiao was called out by Mayweather, 2. Pacquiao is holding the WBA Welterweight title belt. 3. Pacquiao should defend the belt with at the maximum limit of 147lbs. 4. Pacquiao should go into the ring last. and 5. The split should be 51/49 toward the Title holder.
Pac v. Cotto did 1.25 million buys. (Pacquiao-Cotto Generates 1.25 Million Pay-Per-View Buys - Boxing News) Puerto Ricans accounted for 110,000 buys. It was a more compelling matchup than Mayweather v. Marquez must be part of the reason it did better numbers.
Good year for boxing, Pac/Cotto (1.25M), PBF/Marquez (1M), Pac/Hatton (850K). Also, first time in a decade, boxing had two fights that did more than 1 million buys.
I like Freddie Roach's idea of 50/50 split with the winner taking a big bonus. Both guys get 10M and the winner takes another 10M etc. Pacquiao-Mayweather: Roach Says �50-50 Gets it Done� - Boxing News
Pac does have the belt though and had to fight a tougher opponent in his last fight to get it.
As Roy Jones said to Hopkins "lets make it 60 to the winner 40 to the loser", thats what it should be and if you offered that to Floyd I think he'd take it, not sure Roach would let Pac take it! Roach has too much say if you ask me!
But Floyd did call those 2 guys out. Its common knowledge already.Quote:
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Also, lets not forget that JCC jr. was on the card & is a successful draw by himself.
I'd say this actually gives Mayweather more leverage in negotiations. He did 1 million against an average draw in JMM, while Pac did 1.2 against a good draw in Cotto with another good draw in JCC jr. on the undercard.
I love that 60 to the winner idea tho. I don't see why the fighters would disagree to that. But i can see why their camps would.
Why couldn't things just be easy when it comes to these negotiations.. 60 for the winner 40 for the loser is always a fair negotiation, one which I wish more fighters went with.
Why are people acting like these guys are taking forever?!
It's not even been a week since the Cotto fight. Mayweather is hardly the easiest man in the world to deal with, whilst Pacquiao has a history of taking all the time in the world to sort a deal for a fight (Oscar, Hatton & Cotto all dragged on 1-3 months).
Give them at least 2-3 weeks before we act like they're taking forever with negotiations.
There are many rounds to go but in the end the fight will be made because too much money to be made and a lot of egos to manage.
and it was a comeback fight for floyd, people are curious. that and it's against an opponent pac had trouble with. anyways, i think this fight will eventually get made on even terms.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Many mexicans contributed to the sales. Its a mexican holiday for john's sake.
Its stupid to compare previous fights. Pac is at least 4X more popular after the Hatton and DLH victories.
50-50 is fair imo.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
This is wrong. PBF v DLH did 2.15 million buys, PBF v Hatton did 1.5 million buys. It sounds as tho Pac v Cotto did 1.6 million buys. So to say that Pac v Cotto smoked anything Floyd has done is just a straight out lie. Mayweather did a million buys with Marquez even when up against a UFC card which would have had a negative effect on that fights numbers.
You're wrong with both, Mayweather-ODLH did 2.4, while Pacquiao-ODLH only did 1.25, Mayweather-Hatton did 0.915, while it did over a 1 million on sky sports. Pacquiao's did about 0.825-0.85ish with less overseas. Mayweather did 1.05 million against MArquez while Pacquiao-Marquez II did 0.4 buys.
I don't think there is any evidence that Pacquiao is quite the draw Mayweather, and the fact that the very popular Miguel Cotto only gave Pacquiao 0.2 more buys than Mayweather against Marquez doesn't help his cause.
I doubt that honestly. Pacquiao was already going to be a huge success because of his all action style and give and take trading and wars he could put on and the knockouts he produces, he is much more marketable. Mayweather was and is a pure boxer who doesn't always knock people out. Pacquiao to me would have an easier time becoming a draw because of his style then Mayweather would strictly on style imo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
Mayweather had more then 2 million against Oscar.Quote:
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Originally Posted by keypool
That is true, but yes ok Pac-Cotto is the better fight than Floyd-Marquez but reports are coming out that is did close to 2 million, that smokes anything Mayweather has ever done I think that has big big power when comes to negotiating.
Lets not forget Mayweather has also been groomed as a p4p boxing superstar for many many years before we new who Pac was, so it's taken time for Pac to become the ppv star he now is.
Like i said after the last performance imo Pac would do more buys than Mayweather if they fought the same fighter, for instance id put the house on say Pac-Mosley doing more than Mayweather-Mosley After his last performance Pac has become the premier star in the boxing world imo, the best no I still think Floyd beats him but for me he is the star now.
According to the numbers now, Pacquiao vs Cotto did 1.25 million PPV buys. If you ask me, Mayweather doing 1 million with Marquez and Pacquiao only managing 250'000 more against someone as popular as Cotto doesn't say much for his drawing power over Floyds. Even if we look at when Pacquiao fought Marquez the second time it was only about 440'000.
Mayweather's still the bigger draw.
I'm with you Jaz, I won't be paying any attention at all to pre fight negotiations over either money or weight, I couldn't care less.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
The fight will happen in 2010 for sure so just look forward to it happening then, but in the meantime just enjoy the other fights, starting with Kessler Ward tonight.
Yeah I agree the best man gets the bigger share, simples!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
I recall when Maywether was offering to fight Mosley he put a time qualifier on it right after Mosley fought. I also recall Maywether saying the reason he picked JMM to fight was because he had a whole country behind him. This was his main reason for not making a fight with Cotto or Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledgeBut Floyd did call those 2 guys out. Its common knowledge already.Quote:
Originally Posted by keypool
Also, lets not forget that JCC jr. was on the card & is a successful draw by himself.
I'd say this actually gives Mayweather more leverage in negotiations. He did 1 million against an average draw in JMM, while Pac did 1.2 against a good draw in Cotto with another good draw in JCC jr. on the undercard.
I love that 60 to the winner idea tho. I don't see why the fighters would disagree to that. But i can see why their camps would.
With Pacquiao-Marquez II, Pacman is not yet the draw that he is today. With regards to the Mayweather-ODLH and Mayweather-Hatton ppv (if memory serves me right) the economy during those times are way much better. And the draw between the Mayweather-ODLH fight is Oscar and not Floyd. While the Oscar-Pacman fight we are already in a global recession. We are still econmically wise are still a bit of a slump. But Pacman's PPV numbers over Hatton is pretty close with that of Mayweather-Hatton.Quote:
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Originally Posted by skel1983
This is wrong. PBF v DLH did 2.15 million buys, PBF v Hatton did 1.5 million buys. It sounds as tho Pac v Cotto did 1.6 million buys. So to say that Pac v Cotto smoked anything Floyd has done is just a straight out lie. Mayweather did a million buys with Marquez even when up against a UFC card which would have had a negative effect on that fights numbers.
You're wrong with both, Mayweather-ODLH did 2.4, while Pacquiao-ODLH only did 1.25, Mayweather-Hatton did 0.915, while it did over a 1 million on sky sports. Pacquiao's did about 0.825-0.85ish with less overseas. Mayweather did 1.05 million against MArquez while Pacquiao-Marquez II did 0.4 buys.
I don't think there is any evidence that Pacquiao is quite the draw Mayweather, and the fact that the very popular Miguel Cotto only gave Pacquiao 0.2 more buys than Mayweather against Marquez doesn't help his cause.
The definitive barometer here are the recent fights. Pacman score big over his fight with Cotto than Mayweather vs JMM on PPV.