Bullshit score cards....They saved him from being stopped by WARD's fists...
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Bullshit score cards....They saved him from being stopped by WARD's fists...
Yes, unlike a real fighter who would use his speed to fight, Ward used it to clinch everytime he missed or was closed down. The ref gladly allowed him to butt Kessler 5 times (by accident of course) and only split the fighters once Ward was done hitting in the clinch.
Ward won on cuts
*clap clap clap clap clap*
Ward is horrible, it's no wonder he appears to be all chummy, chummy with Dirrell. They probably practice ballroom dancing together whilst reciting prayers of god into each others ears.
Ward got the result, but I don't think he was terribly impressive. I was much more impressed with his ability to butt and hold and seldom manage to catch the referees attention whilst doing it. That's some ability right there.
Listen, I agree with the above posts to an extent. However, Kessler is a champion - why he couldn't he adjust to the holding? This fight showed where to fight Kessler - on the inside! I understand the frustration though. Ward didn't engage and held whenever it was imminent.
yeah and Froch is such a tremendous talent :rolleyes: I would prefer a boxer who knows how to move than a guy who needs to punch in the clinch to land anything. I haven't seen Ward-Kessler so I can't comment on that, but Dirrell was robbed against Froch because Froch didn't land legal punches, and Dirrell made him look stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
r u fackers mad, the kid totally outclassed the guy. dude could not fight his way out of a clinch and he could not deal with the speed. End of story.
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The one dimentional Kessler was exposed by a 20 fight novice , takes away the shine of a certain Mr Calzaghe's best win dont you think guys ?
Ward was lucky not to be DQed. The headbutt that opened up the cut that ultimatley ended the fight was vicous and deliberate.
Ward was comfortably winning the fight and then resorted to illegal tactics to ensure that Kessler had no possible way of getting back into the fight; he had to fight the second half of the fight blind in one eye after another headbutt. I swear the guy thinks he's Evander Holyfield!
People, like Antonio Tarver, who think that Ward should have been awarded three points are wrong headed and simply do not wish to follow the rules of the sport. The fight was stopped due to an accidental headbutt and therefore goes to the scorecards; the only argument I have with this us the use of the word 'accidental'.
Despite all the Hype Kessler has again shown he is unable to adapt.
Ward was the better man that night.
But perhaps anywhere else in the world would have been DQd because of continious intentional headbutting, running head first into the opponent
Ward has the best headbutt I have ever seen. Holding, low blows, and what headbutts?! They are much better than any headbutt Holyfield ever had
I've seen the match from the third round and I have very mix feelings:
I don't see why a Referee allows so many clinches, headbutts and doesn't do a wuut about it. On the other hand and despite of that, Ward was looking strong with a peppering and very accurate jab while Kessler's normally killer jab looked like it was lacking power and sharpness. I think that Ward is better than what I thought but that doesn't excuse the very weird job the ref did. Would it have allowed Kessler to win if he would have done things rightfully? I don't know and it is speculation but I think that at least, it could have been a closer match otherwise.
Remember that Mikkels dream fight was Hopkins, after what I saw he is lucky that never came true. I support Kessler but he has one obvius flaw, he is it not able to adapt. I saw it against Calzaghe, Kessler said he had a bad hand, and I gave him credit for it. But Ward used all the advantages he had, I would say he fought dirty, but that is part of the game when it not your own backyard :o
Now we all know the game plan of Froch and Taylor now :cool:
Besides Kessler and Saurland accepted the refs, so I dont think they should biaatch about that either.
I hope Kessler learns from this fight as well, but as it stands he is the only one that was blasted away in the first round. I know Taylor got a bad KO, but I thought he did pretty good up till that point.
Froch is now a bigger challenge, lets see how Kessler handles that one now.
And I think its time Kessler finds a new coach for inspiration & development. Its not the same guy, I saw Ward make mistakes Kessler should have punished but his hardest punches was the big holes in the air, that made him look stupid :-X (did I write that)
come on Kessler you are still the best Danish boxer ;D
i'm gonna be honest i didn't see the fight and was shocked to read on Yahoo Sports that Ward won, but i'm more shocked to see so many people on here who praised Froch for doing "more" to earn the decision now are bitching about Ward fighting dirty, seeing how the only thing Froch did was hit air and land rabbit punches all night, pretty ridiculous if you ask me
A headbutt to the cheekbone caused the first cut in round two.Ward was headbutting in every roundQuote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
Kessler said to his trainer between round 3-4 "I can not see anything"
It is extremely hard to fight a dirty fighter and tonight was ward`s worst night when it comes to dirty tactics and the reff allow him to do all the dirty tricks
honestly... how many of the people claiming the headbutts were intentional watched this fight on a >300kbps internet stream?
i have SHOWTIME and watched it on my TV...
the headbutts werent anywhere near blatant ;)
I did say that Ward might trouble Kessler being that hes not gonna just stand there and trade with him, the southpaw stance and the holding just took any slight momentum Kessler might have picked up.
I knew the fuucking ref would ruin the fight!! Kessler shouldnt have let Ward clinch and butt, he shouldve been able to step back and drop in those right hands but didnt.
Ward might just be able to stink his way to the top now, hes going to ruin what could have been an exciting tournament with his negative style.
The ref should have been taking points away for the holding, making ard think twice about doing it, either that or just throw the little cuunt out, if he cant fight by the rules!!
I see a lot of sour grapes about on here...I did only see 2 butts. 1 in which Kessler brought Ward in and I believe cut the left and then the last one which was pretty nasty, but by no means intentional. Ward by that point had outclassed Kessler. He never got into a rhythm. I watched it on a stream admittedly, there were hundereds of people in the chat, none of them complaining about the butts until one of the announcers said he had seen 5 butts. I did not see them except the 2.
I am definitely going to d/l and watch it again, but for someone who picked Ward to win this tourney from the beginning. I am pretty happy with the result. I find it funny that a fight doesn't go some peoples way and all of a sudden he is over the hill blah blah blah.
I saw the fight on Primetime TV over here and the last headbutt was deliberate and malicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Ward fought a very good fight, He confused Kessler with his mixed attack with either fighting on the backfoot boxing or coming forward in quick bursts.
He also discouraged Kessler with his work on the inside and in the clinches.
Ward's headbutts were completely unintentional also.
People just need to deal with the fact that Ward is better than Kessler.
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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
ok i added to your rep
Ward totally dominated the fighter regarded as the best in the tourney, Kessler was a clear favourite going in.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Kessler would of been lucky to win a round of that fight, Ward controlled the fight when he was on the back foot or coming forward, his speed confused Kessler and his in fighting frustrated Kessler.
Ward did clinch but he didn't do it excessively like some folks on here are making out.
Give the guy some credit, he fought a very smart fight. :mad:
That's the thing that annoyed me the most; he was winning comfortably and didn't need to resort to these tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
He's the boxing equivalent of Dick Dastardly in Wacky Races; race into a huge lead and then start cheating! Unfortunately it didn't backfire on him like it always did on poor old Dick :(
That was a bit of a strange fight. Ward fought very cleverly, reminded me of Hopkins a lot with his tactics and Kessler could not adjust to it at all.
I have to admit that I thought the reffing was poor. Between continuous clinching by Ward and being allowed to hit on the break several times it made things quite hard for Kessler, but he's a seasoned pro and should have dealt with this better.
As for the butting, there were several clashes in the fight, mostly as a result of Ward wildly lunging in without looking. Kessler should have been more aware of this but in fairness, the one that stopped the fight was an absolute shocker. As biased as the Showtime commentary was, even their commentators said he was like a billy goat. Imo that one was intentional and somewhere else may have meant a DQ. It was even more strange because Ward was a mile ahead on the cards and didn't need to fight that way.
Funnily, I would like to see Calzaghe fight Ward now as it would be interesting to see if Calzaghe could just pick him off.
I agree i personally dont think that much to ward think he is just another dirty fighter who will win world titles but couldnt unify the division, kessler is still the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
No offence but calzaghe was the best boxer in this division for years, lets not forget that jeff lacey was one of the most feared boxers in the division and calzaghe made him look very stupid, kessler got screwed by a bad referee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Wow awesome night!!! Me and the wife are stayin over in Oakland and goin to the raider game so I haven't seen the fight on tv yet so I can't really comment yet fairly. But from what we saw ward beat that man's ass yet added in a lot of unecessary holding and butting and stuff and I'm still not really sure why. He still would've beat him easy I think. Man kessler sure looked scary as shit before the fight. I started to almost feel sorry for ward. But ward looked so calm. Sorry for any bad writing can only get a signal outside and I &@$" freaking freezing. This game looks like a bad idea and I'm almost out of smoke....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvWLoWdXJao
The headbutt that leads to the stoppage is replayed at 4:43 but you see an earlier headbutt at the beginning of the clip, and despite what the commentators say, that looks deliberate as well. It's certainly an unnatural head movement!
Kessler is just a classic fundamentally sound european fighter. I think Kess didnt Jab enough, I know Ward had excellent movement and seemed to really lack respect for Kesslers punching power which no doubt surprised the Dane. Ward exploited the fact that Kessler starts off slow and Andre never took his foot off the gas and managed to hit overdrive the whole fight.. I think the rough stuff on the inside was very smart and no doubt unnerved Kessler and wore on him. I dont think he was in danger of ever being stopped seemed to have his legs and crisp punching still and even seemed to come alive a bit in round 9-10.
I just think a Classic fighter like Kessler cant make the adjustments on the inside and cant compete or dosent know how to when it gets rough
Ward was very versatile and gave Mikkel a ton of different looks, he pressed, counterpunched, orthodox stance, southpaw, fought on the inside/ outside and he never took a second of any round off..
I think the last headbutt was pretty shitty.. Ward dosent have the rep of being a dirty fighter and the previous Butts didnt look intentional at all to me and I'm not a fan of either guy. The fight wasnt decided on the inside, Ward outboxed Kessler from the 1st bell and to say this fight came down to bad officiating is just despicable and most of the complainers on this thread are the usual culprits that tend to side with their half of the world:rolleyes:
Kessler controlled 0 in this fight, if Kess was outboxing Ward on the outside then I would agree with you 10000000000000000% that the officiating was horrible but Ward was eating him alive on the outside as well as attacking and pressing most of the fight. Kess got outclassed in every which way shape and form...
I will say though Ward couldnt break an egg and I would highly favor Kess in a rematch, He didnt take Ward seriously, you could tell he wasnt prepared and was reveling in the status of heir apparent of this tournament and to me that was 50% of his demise, I think he would make the adjustments settle down, his punches had plenty of steam on them even in the 10th.
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The ref had clear view of it and did fuck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
That first one on the clip didn't look deliberate to me at all, unless you think Ward has an eye in his ear or some kind of bat sonar.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
The second one was bad. I admit that. I would like to see both Dirrell and Ward clinch a whole lot less, because I think their speed makes it unnecessary. I know both guys have been rocked pretty hard prior to the tournament, so that may play a factor. Not trying to justify it, just trying to understand it.
agree with killersheep, 1st looked accidental and the 2nd looked pretty intentional, but seriously don't see what the uproar is all about, when Froch hit Dirrell in the back of the head for 12 rounds and did 2 intentional cheap shots at the break without even getting a warning, yet some of the guys who had him "doing more" to get the win are here bitching about the Ward/Kessler fight, seems some Brits are just upset that although the other two US fighters lost, the last American left picked up the biggest win in the tourney
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think this is silly. Britain and Denmark are two completely different countrys with no ties to one another whatsoever. It's like some one from Britain saying your upset because a fighter from Brazil was Robbed.
It amazing how small the knowledge of the continent Europe is.
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Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think this is silly. Britain and Denmark are two completely different countrys with no ties to one another whatsoever. It's like some one from Britain saying your upset because a fighter from Brazil was Robbed.
It amazing how small the knowledge of the continent Europe is.
I thinks its a fair point actually. While yes the two countries don't have any real ties. And most people are lacking the knowledge in the area of the whereabouts of certain European countries.
When It comes to boxing it mostly seems to be just chalked up as USA v Europe whenever fighter from each continent meet. Therefore guys from Denmark, Germany, Ukraine, Ireland, Monaco, and Britain are all lumped together. Sort of like the Unified Team from the '92 Olympics even though they were comprised of former Soviet Republics. We just called them "The Russians". In boxing, most Americans just look at everyone from Europe as "Brits".
lol ok I wouldn't go that far. Personally, I was never really taught geography in school thus I don't really know it, but we know the difference between England and Germany even if we can't all separate them on a map.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think this is silly. Britain and Denmark are two completely different countrys with no ties to one another whatsoever. It's like some one from Britain saying your upset because a fighter from Brazil was Robbed.
It amazing how small the knowledge of the continent Europe is.
I thinks its a fair point actually. While yes the two countries don't have any real ties. And most people are lacking the knowledge in the area of the whereabouts of certain European countries.
When It comes to boxing it mostly seems to be just chalked up as USA v Europe whenever fighter from each continent meet. Therefore guys from Denmark, Germany, Ukraine, Ireland, Monaco, and Britain are all lumped together. Sort of like the Unified Team from the '92 Olympics even though they were comprised of former Soviet Republics. We just called them "The Russians". In boxing, most Americans just look at everyone from Europe as "Brits".
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think this is silly. Britain and Denmark are two completely different countrys with no ties to one another whatsoever. It's like some one from Britain saying your upset because a fighter from Brazil was Robbed.
It amazing how small the knowledge of the continent Europe is.
I thinks its a fair point actually. While yes the two countries don't have any real ties. And most people are lacking the knowledge in the area of the whereabouts of certain European countries.
When It comes to boxing it mostly seems to be just chalked up as USA v Europe whenever fighter from each continent meet. Therefore guys from Denmark, Germany, Ukraine, Ireland, Monaco, and Britain are all lumped together. Sort of like the Unified Team from the '92 Olympics even though they were comprised of former Soviet Republics. We just called them "The Russians". In boxing, most Americans just look at everyone from Europe as "Brits".
You guys in America don't get behind your fellow American's though, right? Depends on what town/desert/road they live in?
That's what amat and TrainerMonkey tell me anyway? :-\
"In boxing, most Americans just look at everyone from Europe as "Brits".
;D What? ;D
Though on the Brits being pissed that the last American won I TOTALLY agree. :cool:
Yep, we're mentally fucked as whole in America. It's funny when two American fighters fight, then home state or city get behind their guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
I thinks its a fair point actually. While yes the two countries don't have any real ties. And most people are lacking the knowledge in the area of the whereabouts of certain European countries.
When It comes to boxing it mostly seems to be just chalked up as USA v Europe whenever fighter from each continent meet. Therefore guys from Denmark, Germany, Ukraine, Ireland, Monaco, and Britain are all lumped together. Sort of like the Unified Team from the '92 Olympics even though they were comprised of former Soviet Republics. We just called them "The Russians". In boxing, most Americans just look at everyone from Europe as "Brits".
You guys in America don't get behind your fellow American's though, right? Depends on what town/desert/road they live in?
That's what amat and TrainerMonkey tell me anyway? :-\
It's funny when I hear Mayweather say of Marquez "He got a whole country behind him" implying that he himself doesn't have citizenship to any country that would back him. In America it's like "Yeah the minorities are American when they're fighting non Americans so its okay to root for them, but when it comes to American vs American then there are a bunch of stupid little quirks that one uses to determine who one will back. Instead of just watching two guys fight.
Kessler is 100% a Dane now he's lost. No ties to Britain whatsoever.
Frochy. Now there's a true Englishman. Knows how to foul when he's getting fucked. Smart.
U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A
Fenster there are some areas of the country that I don't like. I hate Texas and Arizona and there are sports fans from different regions that I don't like. Also I reaallly don't like Southern California, it is waaay overrated but Southern California is better then No California in my book. But Kessler is from Denmark and anytime any American (much less someone from the Bay) fights a Brit (or European, whatever) I am going to root for the American. Btw this was much more then revenge robbery, much better.
I don't like most of the South. I live in the South. I don't like the Midwest although to be fair I've never been there. I don't like the plains type states, like Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. but again I've never been there.
I've rooted for a lot of foreigners over Americans. I feel like I can't root for Brits anymore as I like this little pointless rivalry we have on here.