If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....

would ricky hatton of had any chance of pulling of the win against Mayweather??

I thought RH was a different animal that night, im not saying he would of won but it would of been a hell of a lot closer than when they fought at the later date...

your thoughts???

I agree Ricky was a man possessed, but I still think Floyd would've stopped him

Floyd beats Ricky any day, any weight, anywhere.

Ricky was a different animal because they let him do whatever he wanted. As soon as Ricky is not allowed to wrestle and foul he is not that good.

i just think Mayweather would have been in for one un-comfortable night

First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

Hatton was an animal that night yes, but the ref let him get away with a helluva lot 2!

With the same type of officiating that night, I'd have to say Floyd wins by decision instead of the ko he scored when they fought.

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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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I agree Kostya Tszyu wasn't at his best, but it is overrated how shot he was and at the time no one gave Ricky Hatton a chance.

Kostya Tszyu was a top 5 P4P fighter, and he did recently stop Sharmba Mitchell, quicker than he had done previously.

I just don't think Kostya Tszyu deals well with swarmers, because he needs room to get full power into his power punches, he hasn't really got a good inside game he does his best work at mid-range.

As for the topic i think Ricky Hatton does a little better, but not by much. Floyd Mayweather Jr has a very good and underrated inside game, and swarmers have never bothered Floyd Mayweather Jr.

i have got to admit, Mayweather is a better inside fighter that hatton, he proved that in their fight.

Of course the fight would've been different.

Ricky was much fresher then

Billy Graham was also younger

Joe Cortez wouldn't have been ref and so wouldn't have been biased to begin with and wouldn't have been even more biased after the national anthem got booed

Mayweather back then was also a lot smaller

It would have been a very different fight. Would Ricky have won? I dunno. Floyd is a phenominal athlete and pound for pound king.

You can say Tszyu only had done 3 rounds in so many years but lets face it. Sharmba Mitchel was the top of the division then and Kostya rinsed him in 3. That shows the shape and condition Tszyu was in. He was far from passed it. He was looking to beat Rick easily and then move on to bigger things, retiring was not in his thoughts.

To be honest I don't think Ricky has anything to be ashamed of for his performance in vegas.

I think Ricks performance against Floyd will be put into context after Floyd fights Pac.

Even with Mickey Vann refing Mayweather still beats him easily. In terms of boxing ability Hatton and Mayweather don't belong in the same postcode, never mind the same ring.

Pbf Still Would Have Won, He Will Beat Hitman Any Day. Reason For Dat Is Ricky Hatton Charges You Majority Of Da Time. Thats Perfect For Floyd Due To The Fact That He Likes Out Boxing, And Making You Chase Him...

Dnt Get Me Wrong I Like Hatton He Wus A Beast, And Prob Still Is Only Having His 2 Losses To The 2 Best Fighters Of All Time pbf and pacman.

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Pbf Still Would Have Won, He Will Beat Hitman Any Day. Reason For Dat Is Ricky Hatton Charges You Majority Of Da Time. Thats Perfect For Floyd Due To The Fact That He Likes Out Boxing, And Making You Chase Him...

Dnt Get Me Wrong I Like Hatton He Wus A Beast, And Prob Still Is Only Having His 2 Losses To The 2 Best Fighters Of All Time.

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i didn't know that Robinson and Armstrong kicked Hatton's ass :-X

I was actually shocked when Tszyu quit. I thought he was going to edge it out if he took the last round!

It may have been a tougher fight for Floyd, but I think he would have outclassed Hatton just the same.

Mayweather would of won the exact same way.

I'll never question Hattons desire and determination but I think the timeline changes would have seen the same result inevitably, just cannot change the styles,techniques and over all execution gaps between Floyd and Hatton.

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Pbf Still Would Have Won, He Will Beat Hitman Any Day. Reason For Dat Is Ricky Hatton Charges You Majority Of Da Time. Thats Perfect For Floyd Due To The Fact That He Likes Out Boxing, And Making You Chase Him...

Dnt Get Me Wrong I Like Hatton He Wus A Beast, And Prob Still Is Only Having His 2 Losses To The 2 Best Fighters Of All Time.

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i didn't know that Robinson and Armstrong kicked Hatton's ass :-X


THAT WUS A CORNEY JOKE MR MORALES.

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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

That is a very good question.Ricky was a beast then and punch's just didnt seem to faze him.Joe cortez on that night didnt let ricky get on the inside at all in that fight and to me it all played into pbf hands.

I think,ricky back then in manchester would have give pbf a run for his money.I'm not sure he would have beaten him,Because i feel Pbf,is the best about.

Ricky would've banged into a different ring post on his way down.

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never saw that comming!! fool

great another hatton bashing thread, just what this site needs..

I dont even bother reading through these anymore because you can be assured 7-8threads down you`ll have the same old twats saying the same old shit

Just love the fact this apparent complete "one dimensional, average fighter" gets sooooo much attention on this site ;D;D;D

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great another hatton bashing thread, just what this site needs..

I dont even bother reading through these anymore because you can be assured 7-8threads down you`ll have the same old twats saying the same old shit

Just love the fact this apparent complete "one dimensional, average fighter" gets sooooo much attention on this site ;D;D;D

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LOL it's great innit, between Hatton and Pacman ya would think these guys are hated more than Osama Bin Laden ;D



Just to put this to bed Ricky would of knocked the shit out of Mayweather that night in manchester regardless of the ref, erm .... well bar Cortez of course ;D

hatton would not of beaten mayweather that night and not a peak tszyu either hatton was very good fighter but has been overated he is not the best light-welter to come from britain

Hatton could have won, he was doing well for 5-6 rounds at welter against Floyd. At home, at his very best, with the British ref, and at 140lb, he stands a very good chance of a decision with UK judges.

have to disagree there hatton could never cope with mayweathers speed .i think mayweather is one of those fighters that fights just hard enough to win and boxed well within himself when he fought hatton and just moved up the gears when he felt a stoppage was possible

Mayweather vs Hatton and that referee in UK?

I'd give Hatton the edge.

i cant believe how overated hatton is :lolhaha:

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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

As time goes by, peoples opinion on what actually happened changes. Tszyu was just a sguilty of using illegal tactics. He was holding a lot, he was hitting below the belt. It was that sort of fight. Tsyzu wasn't shot either. He might not have been prime, but he destroyed Sharmba Mitchell 7 months earlier.

As for Mayweather v Hatton, in a small ring, with a hometown referee...i don't know. It would have been interesting. For Ricky to win, he'd have to have gotten away with an awful lot. The difference in class between Floyd and Ricky is huge, but Ricky still managed to take rounds off Floyd in a fight where he was effectively fighting the referee aswell.

I'm not suggessting Hatton would win - who know, maybe he'd rush in more and get caught earlier than he did in Vegas.

I do feel the fight would be much more uncomfortable for Floyd. I'd imagine he'd win, just not as comfortably as he did in Vegas.

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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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Sorry to be pedenatic but how do you have it a shut out when Mayweather spent practically the entire 5th round on the ropes? ( iirc it was the 5th).

Floyd was more aggressive at 140 and would have pulled the trigger more often ending it earlier. Hatton closed the distance then exactly the same way he does now, by hopping in a straight line. against Pac/Mayweather who can take a short step back and nail him he gets battered every time. The Floyd Hatton fought was pretty hesitant and didn't take advantage of every opportunity as Pac did, the version that fought Gatti would've destroyed him.

Referee -Ray Hatton

3 Judges scoring the fight from Ringside:

Carol Hatton
Matthew Hatton
Grandpa Hatton

Venue - A park on Hattersley Council Estste, Hyde, Greater Manchester


Result - still the same ;D



Still love ya though Rick :cool:

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Referee -Ray Hatton

3 Judges scoring the fight from Ringside:

Carol Hatton
Matthew Hatton
Grandpa Hatton

Venue - A park on Hattersley Council Estste, Hyde, Greater Manchester


Result - still the same ;D



Still love ya though Rick :cool:

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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would ricky hatton of had any chance of pulling of the win against Mayweather??

I thought RH was a different animal that night, im not saying he would of won but it would of been a hell of a lot closer than when they fought at the later date...

your thoughts???

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Tszyu fought Rickys fight that night and thats how Kt grew to like delivering it himself.

He could of boxed to a win if he had really wanted it different but he is a stubborn prick and there to please the fans and so he took it head on instead.

Floyd wouldnt have fought Rickys fight that night and would have got Ricky overcommitted and had him paying for it then would have got him frustrated and cleaned him up..

If Floyd had fought Rickys fight that night Floyd would have lost too,Ricky was going to win 'his fight'; and he did 100% props to him on that massive job too.

It's a tough one because in that fight there were no real worries about Ricky's chin. Even when he went into it, you felt pretty safe he could handle some big punches.

He definatley took rounds against Mayweather, he would have done the same in the UK fight. I think he could have lasted longer and could have wobbled Floyd.

One thing is for sure, it wouldn't have been an easy fight for Floyd at all. He would have known he had been in a fight.

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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You are trippin, 90,% of Tszyus fans took it on the chin like he did. Some made excuses but we all know what I said above is true.Ricky did a great job on him, the only way he could of done the job.(And Im a big Tszyu fan).

The whinging pom thing started in Australia very early on mainly because of the weather out here and many people fresh off the ship in the wrong season thought they had stepped off into hell and didnt shut up about how good it was at home.

The Mediterraneans that came here off the same ships were used to such beatings off the sun already and just got out there and dug the fields made a fortune and called it home, so unfortunatley us poms that migrated out here early got a bad rap and it stuck.

They thought we were dirty pigs too, cause we only knew to have a bath once a week and knew no different until a week of wicked weather hit even then some didnt learn fast enough.

Cause out here you have to shower it off once a day minimum in between swimming with the sharks and drinking very cold piss (beer) wearing a large hat and keeping your mouth shut to conserve moisture and keep the flies out, so you see winging doesnt suit the climate or the local toleraters tolerance levels.

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It's a tough one because in that fight there were no real worries about Ricky's chin. Even when he went into it, you felt pretty safe he could handle some big punches.

He definatley took rounds against Mayweather, he would have done the same in the UK fight. I think he could have lasted longer and could have wobbled Floyd.

One thing is for sure, it wouldn't have been an easy fight for Floyd at all. He would have known he had been in a fight.

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Floyd fights smarter than Kostya did as a pro.

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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Nah, not bitter at all mate. In Boxing you have rules, without rules you have chaos, with chaos comes disorder. The referee that night allowed for disorder and forgot the rules of boxing. Tszyu lost, big deal his time was up, injuries and age had taken it's toll. He had a good career, he took Hatton's career with him that night too!