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Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
People can talk shit about how his career has gone the last 5 years, or say that he never fought anyone good in his prime (which is pure ignorance).
But one thing I know, and there is no one on this earth who can convince me otherwise, is that PRIME Roy Jones is 1 of a kind. There will never be anyone who will be able to do what he could in the ring. He was one of this generation's greatest fighters, and just like SRL is judged by his prime and not his later fights, I think Roy deserves that same courtosy.
I'll go on record as saying that these is no 168lber or 175lber in the history of boxing who I would pick to beat a prime RJJ. Archie Moore, Bob Foster, Billy Conn, Michael Spinks, ect, would all come out on the short end of the stick against prime RJJ IMO.
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Re: Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
It doesn't matter what Jones has done since the first Tarver loss really. No man beyond 36 ever gets any better in boxing. Some might have lasted longer than Jones, but they are no 'better'. The man likes to fight and he has continued to do so, there is no great shame in that. It doesn't detract from his earlier career in the slightest. Tyson is none the worse for losing to McBride and Williams and Ali is nothing less for losing to Berbick. Old fighters lose.
He's in his 40's now, older than both of the previously mentioned fighters....
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Re: Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
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miles
It doesn't matter what Jones has done since the first Tarver loss really. No man beyond 36 ever gets any better in boxing. Some might have lasted longer than Jones, but they are no 'better'. The man likes to fight and he has continued to do so, there is no great shame in that. It doesn't detract from his earlier career in the slightest. Tyson is none the worse for losing to McBride and Williams and Ali is nothing less for losing to Berbick. Old fighters lose.
He's in his 40's now, older than both of the previously mentioned fighters....
Jones only went downhill after he boiled himself down after his HW win over Ruiz , and that is a fact.
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Dark Lord Al
Jones only went downhill after he boiled himself down after his HW win over Ruiz , and that is a fact.
Yup. Look what happened to Chris Byrd when he boiled himself back down to 175. He looked slow, sloppy and his iron chin was gone.
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Totally agree he's still one of my favorites along with Pernell Whitaker, it just really frustrates me that he didn't retire. Just imagine if he would of retired after the gusty performance vs Antonio Tarver. Or if he would of retired after the John Ruiz fight.
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Roy is the best fighter I have ever seen, better than JCC, Whitaker, B Hop, Tyson, Lewis, Manny Pac, Floyd, Morales......
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Yes, RJJ is one of the best ever. If he wouldn't have taken such an athletic approach his whole career, ignoring his glaring technical flaws, he could still beat these top guys. RJJ always relied on his atleticism but it was so great that he never got beat until he drained himself too much too fast at too old of an age. RJJ was something special.
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Re: Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
Roy beats any man under heavyweight in the history of boxing period. And I'll still take a prime 168 pound Roy over the smaller heavy's in history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmpW7aHOkAQ
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Totally agree he's still one of my favorites along with Pernell Whitaker, it just really frustrates me that he didn't retire. Just imagine if he would of retired after the gusty performance vs Antonio Tarver. Or if he would of retired after the John Ruiz fight.
He would've been top 10 of all time on any list! I remember the euphoria around him after he beat Ruiz, people were talking about him being the greatest p4p fighter of all time.
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Once Roy Jones Jr., became an internet snitch and started going after streamers, he was dead in my eyes. I wish the fight against Green would have gone on just a little longer and hopefully we could have watch Roy crawling on the floor just a few more times ;D
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BIG H
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ICB
Totally agree he's still one of my favorites along with Pernell Whitaker, it just really frustrates me that he didn't retire. Just imagine if he would of retired after the gusty performance vs Antonio Tarver. Or if he would of retired after the John Ruiz fight.
He would've been top 10 of all time on any list! I remember the euphoria around him after he beat Ruiz, people were talking about him being the greatest p4p fighter of all time.
And thus is the story of should haves in boxing, sadly they rarely if ever happen. If Roy had retired after Ruiz or even the gutsy Tarver win. Even What if Tyson had stayed retired after the Spinks fight?
I agree Roy was one of the best of all time in terms of his talent and athleticism. You won't see another Roy Jones. It's just saddening how people will pick apart his career because of losses out of his prime.
But I say if he beats Hopkins when they fight, then he can finally ride off into the sunset for good.
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BIG H
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ICB
Totally agree he's still one of my favorites along with Pernell Whitaker, it just really frustrates me that he didn't retire. Just imagine if he would of retired after the gusty performance vs Antonio Tarver. Or if he would of retired after the John Ruiz fight.
He would've been top 10 of all time on any list! I remember the euphoria around him after he beat Ruiz, people were talking about him being the greatest p4p fighter of all time.
Yea its amazing how things can change around so suddenly, i remember Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR at one point no joke. Before his loss to Bernard Hopkins.
Now people just see him as a very good fighter, who was one dimensional. Who could never beat great technical boxers, or even as you said at one point what about if your boy Mike Tyson had retired before the Buster Douglas fight, even though he was still ridiculously young. I think even i would of rated him higher. Even though you know im not a Mike Tyson fan.
But yea it is a shame that Roy Jones Jr didn't retire after the John Ruiz fight, i think that achievement hadn't been done in 100+ years. But he got lured out by Antonio Tarver, but i think even retiring after the 1st Antonio Tarver fight.
Could of been just as good as retiring after the John Ruiz fight, because then people would of said you actually got to see Roy Jones Jr. In a tough fight where he showed his heart, and he passed the test. And people would of said he wasn't at his best and ETC.
So it would of been an easy excuse, i know i would of used it like hell had he retired after that fight LOL. But personally i also thought the fight wasn't as controversial as people made out, i saw a clear 7-5 win for Roy Jones Jr.
The rounds wern't that hard to score and Roy Jones Jr clearly took the last 2 rounds, which gave him a clear win IMO.
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I think you could fit Roy Jones in a line people used to use about an old Sugar Ray Robinson.
Even 70 percent of Roy Jones is better then a lot of people out there and could win a lot of fights.
But sadly like Ray Robinson, couldn't defeat the new guards of the division in his old age.
Like Robinson whose body was never the same after that fight where he passed out. Roy was never the same coming back down.
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what if RJJ had'nt jumped up to HW, would he still be dominating at LH now???
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what if RJJ had'nt jumped up to HW, would he still be dominating at LH now???
He probably would have beaten Tarver and Glen Johnson in good fights and would have had a tough fight with Chad Dawson by now and probably have retired by now or be one fight away from it.
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Re: Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
Fact is that Roy is one of the best fighters in history.
It's funny how short people's memories are.
It really doesn't matter what's happened to him of late... or talk of his chin and what have you... Who cares about Roy's chin? Cuz in his prime no one could test it anyway. I don't think Roy EVER had a chin. There was no one fast enough to hit it.
Roy's reflexes and style were something we'd never seen before. His style was new, unorthodox, flashy and lightning fast... The likes of which come along, if you're lucky, once in a lifetime.
So let the haters hate. They show their ignorance that way.
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Re: Roy Jones is an ATG, a one-of-a-kind fighter
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Dark Lord Al
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miles
It doesn't matter what Jones has done since the first Tarver loss really. No man beyond 36 ever gets any better in boxing. Some might have lasted longer than Jones, but they are no 'better'. The man likes to fight and he has continued to do so, there is no great shame in that. It doesn't detract from his earlier career in the slightest. Tyson is none the worse for losing to McBride and Williams and Ali is nothing less for losing to Berbick. Old fighters lose.
He's in his 40's now, older than both of the previously mentioned fighters....
Jones only went downhill after he boiled himself down after his HW win over Ruiz , and that is a fact.
Agreed. He should have retired after the win over Ruiz. Jones will always be high on the list of ATGs IMO. He was a one-of-a-kind fighter and it's sad that he probably has more fans now than when he was wiping out whole divisions.
