HBO doing a Super Six tournament at 140 pounds?

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If HBO delivers on plans to hold a similar tournament for light-welters, Khan will be a major attraction – presuming he does not stay out of that series and opts instead for a mega-fight with Ricky Hatton.

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Anybody know anything about this?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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If HBO delivers on plans to hold a similar tournament for light-welters, Khan will be a major attraction – presuming he does not stay out of that series and opts instead for a mega-fight with Ricky Hatton.

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Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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IMO should be...

Bradley
Maidana
Khan
Malignaggi/J. Diaz II winner
Holt
Alexander

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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If HBO delivers on plans to hold a similar tournament for light-welters, Khan will be a major attraction – presuming he does not stay out of that series and opts instead for a mega-fight with Ricky Hatton.

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Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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IMO should be...

Bradley
Maidana
Khan
Malignaggi/J. Diaz II winner
Holt
Alexander

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Urango deserves a place in there.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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IMO should be...

Bradley
Maidana
Khan
Malignaggi/J. Diaz II winner
Holt
Alexander

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Uranga deserves a place in there.

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urango definately deserves a shout, especially as he has already been a title holder at 140. great news tho all the while. these super six tournaments are the best thing too happen too boxing for a while.the best fighting the best thats what it should be all about

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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IMO should be...

Bradley
Maidana
Khan
Malignaggi/J. Diaz II winner
Holt
Alexander

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Urango deserves a place in there.

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i originally had him on there, but replaced with Malignaggi/ Diaz cause felt that the rest would probably just completely outbox him in a slow pace boring fight, but no way anyone could deny he deserves a spot up there, i just thought that the ones mentioned would make it the most competitive

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Originally Posted by paddy448

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

IMO should be...

Bradley
Maidana
Khan
Malignaggi/J. Diaz II winner
Holt
Alexander

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Urango deserves a place in there.

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urango definately deserves a shout, especially as he has already been a title holder at 140. great news tho all the while. these super six tournaments are the best thing too happen too boxing for a while.the best fighting the best thats what it should be all about

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I agree. This would be great for boxing. The best vs the best. I'm just not sure Warren would think Khan is "ready" to be thrown into the mix with dangerous fighters like this. The chances that he'd win the thing aren't great and could do serious damage to his supposed 'mega-star' future.

I also agree Urango deserves a spot. I don't know who's place I'd give up though. Alexander is a bit greener than some of the others, but he'd easily be one of my favorites to win the entire thing. Ah well, the tournament hasn't even been announced yet, hopefully it'll come together. :)

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Originally Posted by paddy448

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Urango deserves a place in there.

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urango definately deserves a shout, especially as he has already been a title holder at 140. great news tho all the while. these super six tournaments are the best thing too happen too boxing for a while.the best fighting the best thats what it should be all about

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I agree. This would be great for boxing. The best vs the best. I'm just not sure Warren would think Khan is "ready" to be thrown into the mix with dangerous fighters like this. The chances that he'd win the thing aren't great and could do serious damage to his supposed 'mega-star' future.

I also agree Urango deserves a spot. I don't know who's place I'd give up though. Alexander is a bit greener than some of the others, but he'd easily be one of my favorites to win the entire thing. Ah well, the tournament hasn't even been announced yet, hopefully it'll come together. :)

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agree with u mate. would have bradley the favorite out of the lot too be honest. i really rate him. if this shit came off i do give khan a good chance. especially with roach in his corner. roach is more of a promoter than warren too khan at the minute. at least he knows what kind of competion he knows what khan is capable of. if roach says khan can win the tornament then i believe he can win it. thats how much i rate roach

I would really hope Urango wasn't in there. To me he's just one of those mediocre beltholders that sum up what is wrong with boxing, i.e far too many 'champs'.

We'd have to wait until this Saturday night to know to include for sure.

Obviously if Peterson (can't remember which one, just hope its not the pop pop pop one) beats Tim Bradley then he'd have to be in. You'd also have to have Bradley in as well to try and regain what he lost.

Then there are a bunch of guys I'd rather have in the tournament than Urango.

You want the tournament to be fun and sell well, Urango is just a former beltholder with no star appeal at all. It would be like having Berrio or Dennis Inkin in the super six at super middle, no thanks! I'd much rather they put Zab Judah in as a wild card, or an old fighter like Campbell for one last chance.

Presuming Bradley wins tomorrow my list would be,

Bradley
Khan
Alexander
Malignaggi (if he beats Diaz, Diaz would be shit at 140) if he loses bring in Zab
Ortiz
Maidana

Nobody can tell me that Victor Ortiz isn't ten times more exciting than Juan Urango and has more potential in the sport. This should be a showcase for the best and the brightest talent, Urango is ok but I wouldn't pay to watch him and he less potential than everyone above. Zab may be done, he may not, but I'd like to see him at 140 again and this would be interestin

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I would really hope Urango wasn't in there. To me he's just one of those mediocre beltholders that sum up what is wrong with boxing, i.e far too many 'champs'.

We'd have to wait until this Saturday night to know to include for sure.

Obviously if Peterson (can't remember which one, just hope its not the pop pop pop one) beats Tim Bradley then he'd have to be in. You'd also have to have Bradley in as well to try and regain what he lost.

Then there are a bunch of guys I'd rather have in the tournament than Urango.

You want the tournament to be fun and sell well, Urango is just a former beltholder with no star appeal at all. It would be like having Berrio or Dennis Inkin in the super six at super middle, no thanks! I'd much rather they put Zab Judah in as a wild card, or an old fighter like Campbell for one last chance.

Presuming Bradley wins tomorrow my list would be,

Bradley
Khan
Alexander
Malignaggi (if he beats Diaz, Diaz would be shit at 140) if he loses bring in Zab
Ortiz
Maidana

Nobody can tell me that Victor Ortiz isn't ten times more exciting than Juan Urango and has more potential in the sport. This should be a showcase for the best and the brightest talent, Urango is ok but I wouldn't pay to watch him and he less potential than everyone above. Zab may be done, he may not, but I'd like to see him at 140 again and this would be interestin

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i didn't say Ortiz cause IMO he's not ready, i really feel this kid can be something special, but they're going to have to take their time in bringing him up, if the tourney was in a couple years then yea i'd include him but as is right now, i don't think i'd put him there

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I would really hope Urango wasn't in there. To me he's just one of those mediocre beltholders that sum up what is wrong with boxing, i.e far too many 'champs'.

We'd have to wait until this Saturday night to know to include for sure.

Obviously if Peterson (can't remember which one, just hope its not the pop pop pop one) beats Tim Bradley then he'd have to be in. You'd also have to have Bradley in as well to try and regain what he lost.

Then there are a bunch of guys I'd rather have in the tournament than Urango.

You want the tournament to be fun and sell well, Urango is just a former beltholder with no star appeal at all. It would be like having Berrio or Dennis Inkin in the super six at super middle, no thanks! I'd much rather they put Zab Judah in as a wild card, or an old fighter like Campbell for one last chance.

Presuming Bradley wins tomorrow my list would be,

Bradley
Khan
Alexander
Malignaggi (if he beats Diaz, Diaz would be shit at 140) if he loses bring in Zab
Ortiz
Maidana

Nobody can tell me that Victor Ortiz isn't ten times more exciting than Juan Urango and has more potential in the sport. This should be a showcase for the best and the brightest talent, Urango is ok but I wouldn't pay to watch him and he less potential than everyone above. Zab may be done, he may not, but I'd like to see him at 140 again and this would be interestin

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i didn't say Ortiz cause IMO he's not ready, i really feel this kid can be something special, but they're going to have to take their time in bringing him up, if the tourney was in a couple years then yea i'd include him but as is right now, i don't think i'd put him there

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Yeah you may be right. He brings much more to the tournament than Urango though. We know exactly how good Urango is and it's just below A grade. He's the best of the B level fighters if you will, he can beat the Ngoudjo's and the Baileys of this world but not the Hattons and Berto's. I just see no point in putting him in.

Remember this tournament isn't a meritocracy its about who the public want to see and what will sell. Urango just doesn't sell.

The best thing about the current Super Six is that when it was called you just had no idea who would win. Obviously after the first round things have clarified a little but really going in people could make a case for any of the six winning the whole thing.

Urango is the junior welter equivilant of Andrade or Bika, tough, good enough to get a title shot, but not good enough to beat the best in a weight class, therefore a waste of an entry.

Bradely, Khan and Alexander would be definite picks.

Then Paulie would have to be in if he beats Diaz.

Then the last two shots, I'd rather see Maidana and Ortiz have a go, two hungry young fighters, than I would waste a pick with Urango.

I'd rather have Zab Judah in as the wild card (echoing Taylor maybe) than Urango, he gives the tournament a big name, a former undisputed champ, and an uncertainty about how he would do.

In such an event again you could make a case for any of those fighters being able to win the whole thing, but Urango, I don't know, he just doesn't sell the event for me...

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I would really hope Urango wasn't in there. To me he's just one of those mediocre beltholders that sum up what is wrong with boxing, i.e far too many 'champs'.

We'd have to wait until this Saturday night to know to include for sure.

Obviously if Peterson (can't remember which one, just hope its not the pop pop pop one) beats Tim Bradley then he'd have to be in. You'd also have to have Bradley in as well to try and regain what he lost.

Then there are a bunch of guys I'd rather have in the tournament than Urango.

You want the tournament to be fun and sell well, Urango is just a former beltholder with no star appeal at all. It would be like having Berrio or Dennis Inkin in the super six at super middle, no thanks! I'd much rather they put Zab Judah in as a wild card, or an old fighter like Campbell for one last chance.

Presuming Bradley wins tomorrow my list would be,

Bradley
Khan
Alexander
Malignaggi (if he beats Diaz, Diaz would be shit at 140) if he loses bring in Zab
Ortiz
Maidana

Nobody can tell me that Victor Ortiz isn't ten times more exciting than Juan Urango and has more potential in the sport. This should be a showcase for the best and the brightest talent, Urango is ok but I wouldn't pay to watch him and he less potential than everyone above. Zab may be done, he may not, but I'd like to see him at 140 again and this would be interestin

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i didn't say Ortiz cause IMO he's not ready, i really feel this kid can be something special, but they're going to have to take their time in bringing him up, if the tourney was in a couple years then yea i'd include him but as is right now, i don't think i'd put him there

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Yeah you may be right. He brings much more to the tournament than Urango though. We know exactly how good Urango is and it's just below A grade. He's the best of the B level fighters if you will, he can beat the Ngoudjo's and the Baileys of this world but not the Hattons and Berto's. I just see no point in putting him in.

Remember this tournament isn't a meritocracy its about who the public want to see and what will sell. Urango just doesn't sell.

The best thing about the current Super Six is that when it was called you just had no idea who would win. Obviously after the first round things have clarified a little but really going in people could make a case for any of the six winning the whole thing.

Urango is the junior welter equivilant of Andrade or Bika, tough, good enough to get a title shot, but not good enough to beat the best in a weight class, therefore a waste of an entry.

Bradely, Khan and Alexander would be definite picks.

Then Paulie would have to be in if he beats Diaz.

Then the last two shots, I'd rather see Maidana and Ortiz have a go, two hungry young fighters, than I would waste a pick with Urango.

I'd rather have Zab Judah in as the wild card (echoing Taylor maybe) than Urango, he gives the tournament a big name, a former undisputed champ, and an uncertainty about how he would do.

In such an event again you could make a case for any of those fighters being able to win the whole thing, but Urango, I don't know, he just doesn't sell the event for me...

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i get where you're coming from, but i think Holt would deserve a spot more than Judah, and it'd basically make the whole tourney a toss up, meaning any fighter can beat each other on their best night

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Obviously if Peterson (can't remember which one, just hope its not the pop pop pop one)

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It's not the Pop one... :)

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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If HBO delivers on plans to hold a similar tournament for light-welters, Khan will be a major attraction – presuming he does not stay out of that series and opts instead for a mega-fight with Ricky Hatton.

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Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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I heard about 3 weeks to a month ago about this. Heard it was going to be a 4 man tournament similar to the Middleweight tournament that Hopkins won by beating Trinidad.

The names I heard lined up for it are...

Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana
Victor Ortiz
Devon Alexander

We had a thread about it. Alot seemed to complain that while this is a good idea, unlike the Super-Middle Tournament, it won't come close to deciding the divisions best fighter when Bradley, Malignaggi, Diaz, Lamont Peterson, Juan Urango etc aren't part of the tournament.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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If HBO delivers on plans to hold a similar tournament for light-welters, Khan will be a major attraction – presuming he does not stay out of that series and opts instead for a mega-fight with Ricky Hatton.

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Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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I heard about 3 weeks to a month ago about this. Heard it was going to be a 4 man tournament similar to the Middleweight tournament that Hopkins won by beating Trinidad.

The names I heard lined up for it are...

Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana
Victor Ortiz
Devon Alexander

We had a thread about it. Alot seemed to complain that while this is a good idea, unlike the Super-Middle Tournament, it won't come close to deciding the divisions best fighter when Bradley, Malignaggi, Diaz, Lamont Peterson, Juan Urango etc aren't part of the tournament.

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if they only have 4 participants then why not have all the 4 current champs so that we can have one undisputed unified champ at the end.

wbc - devon alexander
wba - winner of amir khan/marcos maidana
ibf - urango
wbo - winner of lamont peterson/timothy bradley

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Originally Posted by zbolt

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Frank Warren may be right about another golden age of British boxing | Kevin Mitchell | Sport | guardian.co.uk



Anybody know anything about this?

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I heard about 3 weeks to a month ago about this. Heard it was going to be a 4 man tournament similar to the Middleweight tournament that Hopkins won by beating Trinidad.

The names I heard lined up for it are...

Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana
Victor Ortiz
Devon Alexander

We had a thread about it. Alot seemed to complain that while this is a good idea, unlike the Super-Middle Tournament, it won't come close to deciding the divisions best fighter when Bradley, Malignaggi, Diaz, Lamont Peterson, Juan Urango etc aren't part of the tournament.

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if they only have 4 participants then why not have all the 4 current champs so that we can have one undisputed unified champ at the end.

wbc - devon alexander
wba - winner of amir khan/marcos maidana
ibf - urango
wbo - winner of lamont peterson/timothy bradley

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Yeah they need to have the winner of Bradley Peterson at the very least, unless they market it as the tournament to find the legit challenger to the winner of tonight's fight.

But a tournament with Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Malignaggi, Ortiz and Maidana is pretty sexy imo. Definitely one to get excited about.

You'd have to fancy the current holders Bradley, Khan and Alexander to be the favourites but the other three are all capable of scoring upsets.

Actually I only just noticed that HBO not Showtime are proposing this.

In that case it's obvious the reason Bradley is not in their lineup is because he fights on Showtime.

Ortiz and Maidana have both been on HBO, Juan Diaz is a regular too so if he beats Paulie again tonight and wants to step up to 140 I guess he'd make it in.

HBO would love to get Khan in the tournament too, he's the most marketable Brit since Hatton, and could possibly be a bigger PPV draw in the future than even a heavyweight David Haye.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Actually I only just noticed that HBO not Showtime are proposing this.

In that case it's obvious the reason Bradley is not in their lineup is because he fights on Showtime.

Ortiz and Maidana have both been on HBO, Juan Diaz is a regular too so if he beats Paulie again tonight and wants to step up to 140 I guess he'd make it in.

HBO would love to get Khan in the tournament too, he's the most marketable Brit since Hatton, and could possibly be a bigger PPV draw in the future than even a heavyweight David Haye.

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Fantastic for boxing i also would love to see Amir Khan in this, if he could win this tournament no one could doubt him. And style wise there will be some FOTY candidates aswell.

Might as well put Hatton in there. If showtime can put in a dude that was just coming on a major stoppage like Jermain Taylor, why not put Hatton's head on the line just for the hell of it (at least I think that is what Taylor being in the super six was about).

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

Might as well put Hatton in there. If showtime can put in a dude that was just coming on a major stoppage like Jermain Taylor, why not put Hatton's head on the line just for the hell of it (at least I think that is what Taylor being in the super six was about).

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Because they can't afford Hatton in this. It costs a far bit of money to put these tournaments together and even afer being KO'ed, Ricky can earn more money in a single fight than HBO can afford to put up for this tournament. No point putting Ricky in there, he's too close to retirement.

The whole point of this is to showcase some of the new talent in the division. But as somebody else stated, the likes of Bradley and Peterson have developed on Showtime, and HBO likes to discover their own product. However, Paulie Malignaggi, Juan Urango and despite the defeat Juan Diaz, are all HBO fighters so should be considered. I assume its because they're not new talent and have been around for a few years.

The four names mentioned all have ability and time to rule the division. They're also young and have contrasting styles. I can see where the idea has developed from, it'll just be interesting to see if it happens.