I think Wlad is.
I think his new style, while kind of boring, takes away some of the chin issues which is why I would have rated Vitali higher before, he's faster, younger, hits harder, better jab, etc.
Any thoughts?
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I think Wlad is.
I think his new style, while kind of boring, takes away some of the chin issues which is why I would have rated Vitali higher before, he's faster, younger, hits harder, better jab, etc.
Any thoughts?
I don't think Wlad hits harder than Vitali. Better technically and faster, I think so but I think that Vitali is a bit stronger. Also, as it is possible to flat down Wlad and not Vitali, I would tend to say that at this moment, Vitali's more dangerous. I wouldn't fight any of the 2 brothers for obvious reasons but if I absolutely have to pick one, I chose Wlad because a lucky punch could always save me, not with Vitali.
vitali for me always has been
Vitali is the better fighter and always has been.
vitali is god awful to watch fight zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz but has a great chin & hits harder
Yea it's an odd one.. You can say Wlad is better for every reason under the sun, but the fact remains he's never going to beat anybody Vitali couldn't, or hasn't done so anyways, and he's always going to be more vulnerable. The chin issue is always there, regardless of any adjustments he makes to his game. Wlad might not get hit these days, but your not going to see him take a big punch from basically anyone, and you can never rule it out in boxing. Can you think of anyone that Wlad would realistically be a bigger favourite over than Vitali would? The division is in such a state that you can pretty well only make an arguement for someone having a punchers chance against Wlad, but with Vitali even that isn't there. Furthermore, I would definetly expect Vitali to win if they ever actually fought with the intent to hurt one another. The older brother always wins unless he got completely shafted in the genetics department... Even then it's usually the case, I have a friend who is like Helen Keller trying to play sports and he still handles his bro who is actually a really athletic kid 3 years younger, identical frame.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
I guess it depends on how you look at it....
Wlad is the more skillful boxer who really is the complete packGE...hIS CHIN NOT AS shakey as many think but he still panics a bit and is gun shy on the return but man he is a specime for sure...
Vitali is so much the fighter of the two I mean he will get down and go toe to toe if need be...As boring as he seems at times he really is damn good in the ring...It is almost as if his opponents have so little to offer he is bored in there...
Hard pick for me IMO each has his strengths in a different way
I always thought Wlad was more technically sound.
Vitali is mentally tougher and has more heart.
Both great fighters regardless.
Chris Byrd....boom your theory is prooven falseQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Wladimir has ALWAYS been the better BOXER he's technically sound, he's got a great jab, one of the best left hooks in the division and a killer right cross. Wlad COULD get KO'd but he's never in danger of being outboxed.
Vitali is awkward, he gets more KO's but I've noticed since his comeback he has not sat down on his punches and therefore I think you take away Vitali's scary power and just give him above average power then it makes him more vulnerable as the years go on.
Wladimir Klitschko maybe better technically, but if you had a time machine. And you could only pick one brother to fight some of the ATG Heavyweight's which one would you choose ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleChris Byrd....boom your theory is prooven falseQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Wladimir has ALWAYS been the better BOXER he's technically sound, he's got a great jab, one of the best left hooks in the division and a killer right cross. Wlad COULD get KO'd but he's never in danger of being outboxed.
Vitali is awkward, he gets more KO's but I've noticed since his comeback he has not sat down on his punches and therefore I think you take away Vitali's scary power and just give him above average power then it makes him more vulnerable as the years go on.
Because i know what one i would choose Vitali Klitschko, atleast i could count on his toughness. Skill is only a part of boxing Lyle and yes Wladimir Klitschko is more skilled.
But Vitali Klitschko is mentally tougher, and physically he's tougher. And he's still pretty skilled himself with good power to boot.
I think Vitali Klitschko was beating Chris Byrd clearly, although Chris Byrd was coming on. But then put it this way Lyle, could Wladimir Klitschko have beaten Corrie Sanders ? could he have been competitive with Lennox Lewis ?
Vitali for me. Doesn't matter how boring he looks, he is very tough to beat.
Vitali is a great boxer in his own way.
I really appreciate the way he bosses his opponents movement.
Always keeps his fighter moving into his right hand. Never lets his man operate on an angle. Great footwork. Deceptively fast hands. Amazingly accurate. Tough as nails.
Wladimir obviously is the better boxer and has maybe accomplished more but Vitali is still the more formidable of the two.
Even though Vitali looked crap the other night I'd still back him to kill his brother everyday of the week.
Vitali only because i don't get the impression that he could crumble any minute. Having said that, the fact that these 2 can dominate the Heavyweight division is an absolute travesty.
Well of course Vitali was up on the card but he quit didn't he? Isn't that the reason people question Vitali's heart....nobody has questioned Wlad's heart, only his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Could Wlad compete with Lewis, I am not sure, signs point to no but we never saw the fight. Could a PRIME Corrie Sanders compete with the Wladimir Klitschko of today, I HIGHLY doubt it, that one night and poor strategy on Wladimir's part messed that fight up for him, any other night I can't see Sanders giving Wladimir a tough time.
Vitali looking crap was more a reflection on Johnson not willing to engage at all than Vitali fighting a poor fight. Vitali won every single round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm sorry, hands down, Vitali is WAYYYYY more dangerous. Wlad has to keep his guard up, has to tie smaller fighters up on the inside because if he doesn't his only choice is to get into a fire fight and get his chin cracked or run out of gas. Vitali will keep his hands low and give you peeks just so he can pop you. The guy is completely relaxed and can take a crack regardless. For me I just picture the 2 in the ring against each other and it plays out the same. Wlad can't tie him up, Vitali will just duck back from the straight right and counter until all Wlad throws is jabs and he can maintain a workright his brother can't.
That was the worst I've ever seen Vitali look. Yes he won every round but looked crap doing it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratVitali looking crap was more a reflection on Johnson not willing to engage at all than Vitali fighting a poor fight. Vitali won every single round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think there is a common fault people have of saying what Wladimir "Has to do" when they mean to say "What he does" or "CHOOSES to do"....For example:
#1 Wladimir doesn't HAVE to keep his guard up, he does it because it's smart
#2 Wladimir doesn't HAVE to pace himself (very few fighters can go even 6 rounds with him if he lets his hands go) but he paces himself because he's smart
#3 Wladimir doesn't HAVE to tie up little guys who try to get on the inside, he ties them up because it's the smart thing to do
#4 Wladimir doesn't HAVE to always throw the jab but hell if you could land 1 punch 80-90% of the time without the chance of someone trying to retaliate then wouldn't you???
Wlad fights SMART and because he fights smart he hasn't lost since the first Lamon Brewster fight and hasn't been knocked down since the Sam Peter fight and I am not sure he has even lost a round since then.
wlad fights smart? :confused:
he fights like an extremely poor man's version of jhonny gonzalez without all the technical skills.
;D Umm, no. And I can't stand Wlad but yeah that's a stretch.
It's not Dr. Dyspraxia.
Wlad wins, he wins by KO, and he doesn't get hit that often....so say what you will but don't argue with the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
The more I think about it the more the shoe fits in the Gonzalez/Klitschko comparison. The difference Gonzalez gets wound up and wild when he goes for the finish which is when he gets caught, where as Wlad finishes in a very controlled Steward-inspired way.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWlad wins, he wins by KO, and he doesn't get hit that often....so say what you will but don't argue with the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
The comparison isn't necessarily that far off but the "without all the technical skills" part is :shakehead:
wlad doesn't even have half of jhonny gonzalez's skills who in superBW standards is merely a basic boxer-puncher in the lowest tier.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I would like to add something to my smart-arse remark.
Wladimir must have a good hold on his emotions. I would spit nails if I had a older brother who refused to step aside and let me mop the hallway* with these jokers.
I would have snatched the mic on Saturday and publicly challanged him or ask him to retire and stop being a glory hawk.
*I was going to "swab the deck" but it sounded a bit...
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I have top agree on these things...Wlad fights a smart fight...At times he is boring but shit point is...
He knows of any weakness he has...He makes sure those are not able to be gotten to by his opp....He takes his man down...He knows what happens if you take too many punches (I mean in general not him personally)...He makes sure he gives out the most offense while absorbing the least in retaliation....
The only real thing I can say about Wlad bad is he is dull at times but hell he wins doesnt he?
The man is a complete package...Size, Power, always in shape....If he really let his hands go and was really agressive with the same quality defense guys would last a lot less rounds then they do now...
I will say though I feel that Wlad even with Manny has thrown a lot less combos then he did before the loss to Sanders...But he toys with opp same as Vitaly....
There really is no one right now to even offer these guys tough fights...
I blame the opp rather then them
That's pretty much all true Daxx. Wlad used to use every punch in his arsenal...if you watch the fight vs Ray Mercer you'll see Wladimir pretty much at his best pre-Manny Steward.
Right now with Manny he uses the jab and a pawing(at times) left hook and the right cross and that is all. Wlad did have the chance to use some different punches vs Tony Thompson though, he worked the body a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtfMDVGJdxM
When he opens up like that, he starts to look more like his brother.