Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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Originally Posted by 15rounder

I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

hmmm.... the difference i think is that floyd is a boxer wereas i believe RJJ relied on his athleticism, once this started to fade a little, he slowed slightly and his reactions started to dwindle he had problems, floyd just off the back of his style wont have the same kind of problems i dont think

Pac-mans resume is much better than Floyds. And everytime you come across an overlap in their resumes, Manny has the more impressive win by far...i.e. De la Hoya, Hatton, Marquez (without cheating in weight). Pac-man would have sought this fight out. Mayweather would have avoided it at all costs. He doesn't like fighting people the same size or bigger (and/or stronger) than him. If you look at Floyds resume, he is always the bigger and/or faster man in the fight. He will be neither in this one. Manny is just as fast and much more powerful. Granted Floyd is probably the best defensive fighter that boxing has ever seen, Manny's accuracy and balance has improved 1000% and something is going to get through. Thats what will make it so intriguing.

floyd fought DLH at 154 lb and was up against a much healthier version, also i dont think because pac ko'd hatton earlier the victory is neccesarilly more impressive, floyd took hatton apart, his style isnt as agressive but this doesnt make it a lesser victory and always harder to beat an undefeated fight as hatton was at the time,

its all smoke and mirrors for any victory of floyds you can discredit i can find a logical way to descredit any pac victory.... the only way we know for certain is if/when they get in the ring together

Can you think of any fighters that Pac-man has ducked in the past? He basically ran through Mexico...and if Floyd wasn't in the picture, I guarantee his next bout would be against Mosely. There are a few fighters that wanted a piece of Floyd where he went and hid under his couch because he wasn't going to be the bigger man. For me, it just boils down to this...After all the big fights that Pac-man has been in, most recently, being able to take punches from Cotto for 12 rounds, I don't see him being hurt by ANYTHING that Floyd throws at him. It's no secret that Pacman is willing to take a punch to give 3 of them back. Floyd is going to have to fight at some point in this match. I think it will be the first time since his first fight with Castillo that we will see Floyd endure some pain. Manny is used to it. I wish this fight was tomorrow

Floyd a much truer technical 101 rounded boxer.However much I rag on Jones jr one thing he showd,in spots,was a finishing desire.Carried a few guys and bs'd his way past some huge fights early but he would step in and explode,punctuate his advantages.Floyd is far to content.

margarito took those shots from cotto also.... did you see mosley knocking him out as he did in his very next fight ?

dont think floyd cant hurt pac... would be foolish to believe this

it's gonna be a close fight and i don't see a knockout. i think floyd knows that he won't win the fight by coasting like he has in recent years.

I'm not saying pac-man won't feel anything. He will. But its not going to be enough to slow him down. And Margarito is no Pac man. Not to mention how much was taken off Cottos punches in those later rounds because of the brick plaster Margarito had in his gloves. Pac man is in MUCH better physical condition and at a much better point in his career. I did not see near as much slow down in Pac man after round 7 against Cotto as I did in Margarito. If this fight is a toss up after 10 rounds, Floyd is going to have to fight Manny's fight in the last 2 rounds. Manny will leave everything in that ring

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I'm not saying pac-man won't feel anything. He will. But its not going to be enough to slow him down. And Margarito is no Pac man. Not to mention how much was taken off Cottos punches in those later rounds because of the brick plaster Margarito had in his gloves. Pac man is in MUCH better physical condition and at a much better point in his career. I did not see near as much slow down in Pac man after round 7 against Cotto as I did in Margarito. If this fight is a toss up after 10 rounds, Floyd is going to have to fight Manny's fight in the last 2 rounds. Manny will leave everything in that ring

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you being serious, margarito upped the pressure after the 7th not slow down, i personally think floyd shuts his offence down, hell have pac looking to roach for answers, the fact cotto seems to confuse pac in the first round with his jab and boxing was quite suprising... cotto is not as disciplined as floyd and this is what cost him trying to war with pac

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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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Roy jones had 7 of eight belts at LHW with the remaining one being held by DM who no one would have picked to beat Jones. Roy jones didnt HAVE to fight Tarver. And the only thing that was exposed in fighting him was that he was severely weight drained and never looked the same after dropping all that weight. These situations are completely different as Roy was so thoroughly dominant when he was on top. Floyd on the other hand has a controversial victory or JLC, a split decision against Oscar, basically floyd is much closer to his competition than Roy was. And floyd wants no part of Mosley and would actually prefer to fight PAC over shane.


PBF v PAC --- Medium risk-VERY HIGH REWARD
PBF v SHANE--HIGH RISK--MEDIUM REWARD

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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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Roy jones had 7 of eight belts at LHW with the remaining one being held by DM who no one would have picked to beat Jones. Roy jones didnt HAVE to fight Tarver. And the only thing that was exposed in fighting him was that he was severely weight drained and never looked the same after dropping all that weight. These situations are completely different as Roy was so thoroughly dominant when he was on top. Floyd on the other hand has a controversial victory or JLC, a split decision against Oscar, basically floyd is much closer to his competition than Roy was. And floyd wants no part of Mosley and would actually prefer to fight PAC over shane.


PBF v PAC --- Medium risk-VERY HIGH REWARD
PBF v SHANE--HIGH RISK--MEDIUM REWARD

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cant we just say 3 out of 4 belts.... the other 4 are a joke

Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

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Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

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DLH was a ghost at 147 ... he hadnt made the weight in years... you can really compare the two, the jab of DLH gave floyd trouble ... pac doesnt really have that weapon in his arsenal

a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights just because pac can beat someone floyd has beat in lesser rounds or whatever it doesnt prove he can beat floyd because the way pac fights in my opinion plays right in to his hand, also he doesnt make enough adjustments mid fight for me

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

did he against marquez? i remember him just trying to throw more and hope he did enough for the decision, roach can tell him all he likes, he isnt the one in there... i havent see anything to suggest that pac can make adjustments mid fight to change the outcome

floyd wont just sit in his shell if he starts to get tagged... he isnt a one trick pony ... far from it

U just said that Manny was confused by Cotto but ended up planting him on his back. That adjustment took one round. And as for hiding under his guard and poking his head up. That's all he's done since he beat Gatti. He's going to rely on judges rather than his fists. And as for the pacman marquez fight, he's a much more balanced fighter and much more accurate puncher now

more a change made by cotto when he tried to come in and manhandle pac

judah fight ? put it this way excessive agression hasnt worked before why should it work now.... the kind of fighter to beat floyd is someone with a good and high work rate... maybe paul williams

Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.

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Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.

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crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words

Floyd got wobbly against CORLEY. Manny won't have trouble there. And DLH wasn't hurt at all by floyd, but was growing a second person under his eye vs. pac man. How's that for a power comparison.

let me hit DLH that many times and he would bruise up, this isnt a very good way to measure power


ye floyd was wobbled by corley, pac was knocked out twice... what do those two things have in common .... they were part of the learning curve

While I respect your opinion and think you're a true fan of the sport, I'm noticing a common theme in all of your posts when it comes to pac man and mayweather. When we talk about fights that mayweather has won, u give all the credit in the world to mayweather, however every time we talk about a big fight pac man has won, it's because his opponent made some mistake or because they are suspect...and everytime there is an overlap in their resumes, you give the advantage to mayweather for whatever reason. And just because manny has 3 losses, it doesn't mean floyd is 3 times better, it's because Manny fights the best fighters all the time, regardless of how dangerous they may be to him. (no one gave manny a chance against DLH). No one makes it to the top of the p4p list because 49 of their opponents just messed up, it's because he's a badass fighter with. Not to mention he has knockout power that floyd lost 5 years ago. Floyd has carefully selected his opponents his entire career, making sure not to fight anyone that would give him the slightest bit of trouble. The only reason he fought JLC is because he thought he was much worse than he actually was. And the only reason he is fighting this fight is because he's being forced to. He's already showing he's afraid of Manny's power by trying to mandate extra drug tests because he can't understand how manny can maintain his power and speed when he moves up in weight. Floyd is already showing that he's scared. He'll try to think of something else when manny passes both tests.

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a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights

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I totally agree with this statement but alot of Mayweather fans miss it as well. "Mayweather will do what Marquez did but better" is something that I hear over and over again. Styles do make fights but fighters also employ styles in their own ways. Sure Mayweather and Marquez are both counter-punchers, but the comparisons end here. At these higher weights Mayweather chooses to make his opponents miss more times than pay, sometimes waiting to shoulder roll counter right when he has nowhere to go. Marquez, however, has both hands up looking to immediately reply with a mix of hooks and angled uppercuts. Mayweather's footwork is also geared for mobility where Marquez builds a much more solid base for added power. Mayweather chooses to avoid exchanges where Marquez will sometimes bite down and also engage. Mayweather also uses a number of different stances. One that springs to mind is where he raises and turns his rear heel forward, drops his hands and uses his head as bait. If his opponent jabs he pulls back and counters with a straight right and if not he leads with a Hopkins style (minus the warhead ;)) leaping straight right, smothers or ducks and moves to either side. When Mayweather's hands are up look for the feinted jabs and lying eyes to the body before the left hook. I feel these are not only indications of Mayweather's superior depth but are also, as of yet, unexploited habits.

Two counter-punchers from two different schools.

15rounder is pretty talented by the sound of it, he can type while he hugs pacmans nuts. If you keep hanging onto pacs nuts mate, pac wont make weight ;D

The initial post just makes it evident that you are praying for Mayweather to lose. If you wan't to break it down and make your case for Manny winning that's one thing; but to attempt to draw a comparison between this scenario and Roy Jones fighting Tarver and losing his form entirely since then, it's completely ridiculous. For one thing Roy Jones didn't even have to fight Taver whatsoever, and was clearly adversly impacted by dropping down in weight to do so. Mayweather Pacquiao is in a completely different league as far as public demand. Mayweather is also clearly thought to be more comfortable at 147, where the fight will take place.

Disagree with the thread starter. I think Floyd came back only for the Pac fight because of the money it represents and he doesnt see Pac as the threat that a lot of us do.

The young guys are different now in boxing. Legacy is not as motivating to them as making 30 million dollars so Floyd is motivated by money and Pac represents the biggest payday for him. I dont think either is being pushed into anything and Mayweather wants the fight just as badly, but for reasons that are different than what you would expect.

Floyd has been involved in boxing for a long time at the higher level whereas Pac was kind of like a blue collar worker for some time. He is fine in his position and allowing his handlers to control his fights whereas Floyd wants to think he is in control of both his business and fighting side of his matters.

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This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

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Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

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This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

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Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

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Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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It's funny that pacmans last threefights were Cotto Hatton and Oscar and he's considered to fight anyone and Mayweathers last three fights were Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. But Pacman is considered a fearless warrior and Mayweather a cherry picker.

Lol as a fan of both it's pretty clear that Mayweather is right, he'll never get credit he desserves, even the pound for pound number 1 is not held to as high a standard as Mayweather.

I Cotto is an amazing win! but wasn't saying he was shot already? it was a cover on the ring for christ sake! The fact that Mayweather beat Oscar and HAtton first counts for nothing either? people overlook the fact he fought Oscar at 154 with all of Oscars rules.

What is Pacs best win in realitY? Cotto without Doubt! and what an amazing win it was but why is one a cherry picker and the other a warrior despite the fact they have faced virtually the same opposition in the last few fights?

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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It's funny that pacmans last threefights were Cotto Hatton and Oscar and he's considered to fight anyone and Mayweathers last three fights were Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. But Pacman is considered a fearless warrior and Mayweather a cherry picker.

Lol as a fan of both it's pretty clear that Mayweather is right, he'll never get credit he desserves, even the pound for pound number 1 is not held to as high a standard as Mayweather.

I Cotto is an amazing win! but wasn't saying he was shot already? it was a cover on the ring for christ sake! The fact that Mayweather beat Oscar and HAtton first counts for nothing either? people overlook the fact he fought Oscar at 154 with all of Oscars rules.

What is Pacs best win in realitY? Cotto without Doubt! and what an amazing win it was but why is one a cherry picker and the other a warrior despite the fact they have faced virtually the same opposition in the last few fights?

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Why is he a cherry picker? Because he makes it look so easy when he wins, so he must be cherry picking. Maybe if Floyd carried his opponents and let them bloddy his nose or knock him down it would change peoples view of him. It worked in the Castillo fight and look what that did for Castillo?

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Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.

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crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words

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Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.

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Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.

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crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words

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Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.

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Stop trying to groom them you dirty old git ;D

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This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

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Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

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Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

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Me too, its worth bumping it across into the next page.

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crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words

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Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.

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Stop trying to groom them you dirty old git ;D

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:lolhaha: Busted!

Like the whisteling man off Family guy
"Hey you two want to come in the Mod board for sssome lemonaide and punch".

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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.

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No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.

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Floyd is going to be Manny biggest challege BAR NONE! I honestly don't think Pac is going to win this one but I'm going to be pulling for him to prove me wrong. Trust me, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan but I do doubt him winning some fights. This would be one of them.

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Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

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C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.

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Floyd is going to be Manny biggest challege BAR NONE! I honestly don't think Pac is going to win this one but I'm going to be pulling for him to prove me wrong. Trust me, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan but I do doubt him winning some fights. This would be one of them.

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And i think Pac will be the biggest challenge of Floyd's career. Floyd has never faced a better athlete in their prime with so much momentum. I just feel some people wrongly think this fight will play out like Pac's last three. Floyd is just a completely different class of fighter than Cotto, Hatton, or Oscar. Should be a great fight.