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The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him out.
Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.
Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.
Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.
Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.
Imagine this scenario....
Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Feb-1 : HGH injection
Feb-2 : HGH injection
Feb-3 : HGH injection
Feb-4 : HGH injection
Feb-5 : HGH injection
Feb-6 : HGH injection
Feb-7 : HGH injection
Feb-8 : HGH injection
Feb-9 : HGH injection
Feb-10 : off
Feb-11 : off
Feb-12 : off
Feb-13 : off / BLOOD TEST DONE (Pacquiao tests clean)
Feb-14: HGH injection
Feb-15: HGH injection
Feb-16: HGH injection
Feb-17: HGH injection
Feb-18: HGH injection
Feb-19: HGH injection
Feb-20: HGH injection
Feb-21: HGH injection
Feb-22: HGH injection
Feb-23: HGH injection
Feb-24: HGH injection
Feb-25: HGH injection
Feb-26: HGH injection
Feb-27: HGH injection
Feb-28: HGH injection
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Mar-1 : HGH injection
Mar-2 : HGH injection
Mar-3 : HGH injection
Mar-4 : HGH injection
Mar-5 : HGH injection
Mar-6 : HGH injection
Mar-7 : HGH injection
Mar-8 : HGH injection
Mar-9 : HGH injection
Mar-10: off
Mar-11: off
Mar-12: off
Mar-13: off FIGHT NIGHT / Blood test Done immediately after fight (Pacquiao tests clean)
Without randomized blood tests, that would allow for 57 days of HGH aided training. Pacquiao would be able to train harder, longer, more intense, and recover significantly quicker than any athlete without such chemical assistance.
I know it is fashionable to hate on Floyd, but he is 100% right on this issue. Anyone who can't see that is being wilfully blind. I'm not particularly a Floyd Fan, nor am I a Pacquiao hater. What I am a fan of, is improving the integrity of the sport I love: Boxing.
Another point to take into consideration is the fact that baseball's Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and even boxing Shane Mosely have never tested positive for any performance enhancer... because they knew the date in advance that they had to give blood tests.
Every Olympics that I have watched since I was a kid, has had DOZENS of athletes in the news getting caught for performance enhancers. Why? Because the Olympics style testing method (randomized blood tests) is MUCH harder to beat.
A question for Pacquiao fans: why would you even want your boy to win if you knew he had to cheat to win?
Oh yeah, in before...
* “just another Pacquiao hater”
* “get off Floyd's nuts!”
* “Bro, come on, you got too much time on your hands!”
* “Bro, Pacquiao said that he would take a blood test immediately after the fight! That is enough to catch any performance enhancer!”
* [someone posting that animated .gif of the guy beating a dead horse]
* “you created an account just to bash Pacman! Yup, just another Pac hater!”
* “If you ask me, you're just making excuses for the fact that Floyd is scared!”
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
pac having forward knowledge of when his 'random' drug test was supposed to take place is a complete joke...
the guy has been exposed as a cheat and a liar...
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
I was of the understanding that even blood tests were not 100% positive against HGH as it is obviously naturally occuring in the human body.
I hope that all this is just to spark up interest in the fight and in reality Pac is clean. As I said in another thread I like stone cold evidence before I call someone a drugs cheat and until I see that Pac to me is clean!!
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BoxingFan30
Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.
Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.
Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.
Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.
Imagine this scenario....
Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection
:lolhaha:
You're not very bright are ya?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Neither are you if you can't counter any of the points he's made with anything other than a childish insult. <3
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
This is a good thread. You have the Pac and Hatton groupies going at each other in here. Where's Violent Demise when you need him?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
There's something like 3 people in this thread, I am curious as to which ones are Hatton fanboys?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Pac's not a cheater yet, he just raises suspicion for obvious reasons. Let's see and wait what will be the result of all that circus first once we'll have the final bell about if he accepts or not. To say that he's a cheater yet is a nonsense just as much as those claiming the blood tests are a joke to ask.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BoxingFan30
Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.
Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.
Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.
Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.
Imagine this scenario....
Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection
:lolhaha:
You're not very bright are ya?
Great comeback. :rolleyes:
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
HGH seems an odd choice if that is what he was on but maybe i dont know all the effects.... however regardless of the drug pre arranged testing is a joke.... all these pac fans are making a big deal of the fact that the test can be taken straight after the fight ... too late its used for training not the fight itself
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
blegit
I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.
true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
blegit
I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.
true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson
The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Zilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
blegit
I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.
true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson
The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.
not in terms of general public usage you mean ? they were definatley illegal in sports....
thing is the word 'steroid' covers so many different drugs... some are illegal some arent.... some stuff used to be illegal and now isnt... ripped fuel is one example i think
there are also supplements used now that will probably one day turn out to be banned so hard to say what was and wasnt illegal at the time
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
EPO, HGH, or some other designer steroid that doesn't stay in your blood for past 72 hours. Whatever. The specific substance doesn't matter.
The most of important part of this thread, is to highlight the fact that using the drug during training will give you an unfair advantage on the fight night. It doesn't need to be in your system on fight night (or on other fixed date blood tests) to give you a seriously unfair advantage against a clean fighter.
Olympic style random testing prevents this. I can't see why so many people are defending Manny for this. If the roles where reversed, and it was Floyd trying to prevent any possibility of being tested fairly, every fight forum on the internet would crash due to the number of people posting about it.
Manny shouldn't be allowed to cheat, just because he has convinced the general public he is a humble likable guy.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Zilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BoxingFan30
Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.
Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.
Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.
Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.
Imagine this scenario....
Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection
:lolhaha:
You're not very bright are ya?
Great comeback. :rolleyes:
Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.
Google is your friend...
Steroid Injection
"The most common place for intramuscular injections are in the buttocks."
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Zilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
:lolhaha:
You're not very bright are ya?
Great comeback. :rolleyes:
Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.
the same places any other human being taking PED's would be injected... the veins of the arms, legs, buttcheeks etc.... whats so hard about that
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Zilla
Great comeback. :rolleyes:
Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.
the same places any other human being taking PED's would be injected... the veins of the arms, legs, buttcheeks etc.... whats so hard about that
If that's the case then the NSAC should just microcheck Manny's body for multiple needle scars, just like what the crime experts do with junkies.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.
the same places any other human being taking PED's would be injected... the veins of the arms, legs, buttcheeks etc.... whats so hard about that
If that's the case then the NSAC should just microcheck Manny's body for multiple needle scars, just like what the crime experts do with junkies.
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
the same places any other human being taking PED's would be injected... the veins of the arms, legs, buttcheeks etc.... whats so hard about that
If that's the case then the NSAC should just microcheck Manny's body for multiple needle scars, just like what the crime experts do with junkies.
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
If that's the case then the NSAC should just microcheck Manny's body for multiple needle scars, just like what the crime experts do with junkies.
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
a blood test takes a very short amount of time, a few seconds, a full body check will take longer if done correctly.... also thats assuming he is using an injectable form.... oral forms are available for most drugs so that maybe shouldnt be ruled out
and if they did find needle marks... what does that prove? could be anything being injected ... doesnt give the name of said drug... if it is illegal or not and can be argued to be something innocent easilly enough
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
a blood test takes a very short amount of time, a few seconds, a full body check will take longer if done correctly.... also thats assuming he is using an injectable form.... oral forms are available for most drugs so that maybe shouldnt be ruled out
and if they did find needle marks... what does that prove? could be anything being injected ... doesnt give the name of said drug... if it is illegal or not and can be argued to be something innocent easilly enough
The Congressman really comes across like a congressman. Someone who is willing to turn a blind eye to any possible form of corruption and make feeble excuses to try and justify getting away with it. Whatever happened to integrity and wanting what is best for the sport and giving the public what they want?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
a blood test takes a very short amount of time, a few seconds, a full body check will take longer if done correctly.... also thats assuming he is using an injectable form.... oral forms are available for most drugs so that maybe shouldnt be ruled out
and if they did find needle marks... what does that prove? could be anything being injected ... doesnt give the name of said drug... if it is illegal or not and can be argued to be something innocent easilly enough
see, this is where a lot of people are mixed up. camp mayweather doesnt want A blood test. they want random blood tests!meaning they could wake u up late at night to take it or even take it when manny is walking to the ring. manny never refused a blood test. he refuses the random testing. im not defending that decision of his. im just clarifying what seems to be confusing a lot of people here.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
a blood test takes a very short amount of time, a few seconds, a full body check will take longer if done correctly.... also thats assuming he is using an injectable form.... oral forms are available for most drugs so that maybe shouldnt be ruled out
and if they did find needle marks... what does that prove? could be anything being injected ... doesnt give the name of said drug... if it is illegal or not and can be argued to be something innocent easilly enough
see, this is where a lot of people are mixed up. camp mayweather doesnt want A blood test. they want random blood tests!meaning they could wake u up late at night to take it or even take it when manny is walking to the ring. manny never refused a blood test. he refuses the random testing. im not defending that decision of his. im just clarifying what seems to be confusing a lot of people here.
I don't think anyone is mixed up. We all know what a random test involves and that's what we all think is neccessary. A random test only needs to take place a few times and at selected moments by the testers. It unlikely they will wake him up at 4am on the night before the fight. Manny will only be sleeping 8 hours out of 24. There should be NO issues with wanting any tests outside of sleeping hours. I agree that sleep should be respected, but outside of that I really see no problem. The test needs to be random and random in terms of actual days selected.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
pacQ
all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS
Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by
pacQ
all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS
Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?
still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!? ;D
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
pacQ
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by
pacQ
all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS
Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?
still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!? ;D
That's a no then.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
If that's the case then the NSAC should just microcheck Manny's body for multiple needle scars, just like what the crime experts do with junkies.
why not just take a blood test .... its easier and quicker than a full body check
also what is to stop manny refusing this also ?
the most important fact being that.... this isnt sumat the NSAC do
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
The size of the needles are very tiny and there are so many areas on the body to inject this shit. It won't leave scars. Research things before you spout out things. Junkies are usually injecting into the same sites over and over using the same veins and injecting into veins builds up scar tissue much more quickly. You can inject HGH into thighs, butt, arms, calves,chest subcutaneously or in the muscle
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
pacQ
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miles
Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?
still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!? ;D
That's a no then.
Haha, you got there before me. ;D
bloodyeffingbloody limey? I have to say that I have never been called that before. Impressive.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
before this whole fiasco most of us are boxing fansf, some fanboys of any fighter and some just annoying. after mayweather sr. said pac was using PEDS some of us evolved from being boxing experts to steroid experts. how credible could loudmouth mayweather sr be besides the fact the he was busted for drug trafficking before?
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
Quote:
Originally Posted by
The Congressman
I disagree. I'm just basing on the thread starter's claim here with his 30+ steroid shots in a row theory. If Manny has been or will be doing that, then a full body check process is easier and quicker.
a blood test takes a very short amount of time, a few seconds, a full body check will take longer if done correctly.... also thats assuming he is using an injectable form.... oral forms are available for most drugs so that maybe shouldnt be ruled out
and if they did find needle marks... what does that prove? could be anything being injected ... doesnt give the name of said drug... if it is illegal or not and can be argued to be something innocent easilly enough
see, this is where a lot of people are mixed up. camp mayweather doesnt want A blood test. they want random blood tests!meaning they could wake u up late at night to take it or even take it
when manny is walking to the ring. manny never refused a blood test.
he refuses the random testing. im not defending that decision of his. im just clarifying what seems to be confusing a lot of people here.
incorrect
they had stated the random tests would be taken anytime up to 48 hours before the fight, its only the same thing all olympians have to go through and i for one have never seen anyone tested just as they are walkin over towards the starting blocks or limbering up for their long jumpe ....
and we know why that is :-X
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
Nobody is talking about the accusations that Sr. made (MONTHS ago too I might add) including Pac who is only now responding to be being backed into a corner.
It doesn't matter how credible what Senior says or doesn't say is... it's Pac's actions that are drawing suspiscion to him.
Floyd Senior said months ago that he thought Manny was using and the majority of boxing fans snubbed it... and Manny didn't even care, I don't even fake he made an official statement etc... just let it bounce off him.
Now all of a sudden he is between a $40m shaped Rock and a strict PED testing hard place... only now does he get upset over allegations and defimation of character?
All you've been asked to do is comply to a test that the other competitor will be too.
More and more to me it seems like Pac has been completely out manovoured and trapped by team Mayweather, he knew Floyd Sr's allegations meant nothing.... they didn't prove anything so he wasn't bothered, correct drug testing would prove something (good or bad) about his character... and now he decides to get upset?
Tell me that doesn't stink.
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Re: The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him ou
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josef4334
before this whole fiasco most of us are boxing fansf, some fanboys of any fighter and some just annoying. after mayweather sr. said pac was using PEDS some of us evolved from being boxing experts to steroid experts. how credible could loudmouth mayweather sr be besides the fact the he was busted for drug trafficking before?
i do believe it was the pac fans saying stupid stuff such as how can manny be on steroids when his 'urine tests' come back clean.... steroid experts indeed
and who cares about mayweather sr. s past, do you have such things to say about malinaggi, cintron and berto ?
