The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him out.

[hitmanhatton]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

[Zilla]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.

[hitmanhatton]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.

not in terms of general public usage you mean ? they were definatley illegal in sports....

thing is the word 'steroid' covers so many different drugs... some are illegal some arent.... some stuff used to be illegal and now isnt... ripped fuel is one example i think

there are also supplements used now that will probably one day turn out to be banned so hard to say what was and wasnt illegal at the time

[BoxingFan30]

EPO, HGH, or some other designer steroid that doesn't stay in your blood for past 72 hours. Whatever. The specific substance doesn't matter.

The most of important part of this thread, is to highlight the fact that using the drug during training will give you an unfair advantage on the fight night. It doesn't need to be in your system on fight night (or on other fixed date blood tests) to give you a seriously unfair advantage against a clean fighter.

Olympic style random testing prevents this. I can't see why so many people are defending Manny for this. If the roles where reversed, and it was Floyd trying to prevent any possibility of being tested fairly, every fight forum on the internet would crash due to the number of people posting about it.

Manny shouldn't be allowed to cheat, just because he has convinced the general public he is a humble likable guy.

[pacQ]

all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS

[Gandalf]

all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS

Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?

[pacQ]

all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS

Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?

still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!?

[killersheep]

all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS

Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?

still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!?

That's a no then.

[Gandalf]

Do you have anything more enlightened to add to this discusion?

still cant get over ricky hatton flat-out cold right in the middle of the ring rockstar eh mate? bloodyeffingbloody limey!?

That's a no then.

Haha, you got there before me.

bloodyeffingbloody limey? I have to say that I have never been called that before. Impressive.