Brucelee Speaks: PAC is on STEROIDS. FACT!

Pac's refusal (if it's his final decision) will certainly take away his all-time great status.

I really thought that the mediation would be successful but it seems that pac is really on PEDS/drugs and his continued refusal to agree to Gayweather's demand makes him guilty beyond reasonable doubt for me.:-\

It's disenchanting, frustrating and painful to know that my favorite fighter had cheated his way to greatness.

He is like our current president ( Gloria Arroyo) who won the election through massive cheating.

I could still remember what Pacfan (where is he now?) had said before.

Pac's fate seems to be connected with Gloria Arroyo. I know now what he means by that.

Pac is a cheater and I can't believe I've been defending/helping him through so many years.

So PAINFUL....... Tsk.Tsk.Tsk.:eek:

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Pac's refusal (if it's his final decision) will certainly take away his all-time great status.

I really thought that the mediation would be successful but it seems that pac is really on PEDS/drugs and his continued refusal to agree to Gayweather's demand makes him guilty beyond reasonable doubt for me.:-\

It's disenchanting, frustrating and painful to know that my favorite fighter had cheated his way to greatness.

He is like our current president ( Gloria Arroyo) who won the election through massive cheating.

I could still remember what Pacfan (where is he now?) had said before.

Pac's fate seems to be connected with Gloria Arroyo. I know now what he means by that.

Pac is a cheater and I can't believe I've been defending/helping him through so many years.

So PAINFUL....... Tsk.Tsk.Tsk.:eek:

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....you are mandaluyong insider! it is a fact!;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Pac's refusal (if it's his final decision) will certainly take away his all-time great status.

I really thought that the mediation would be successful but it seems that pac is really on PEDS/drugs and his continued refusal to agree to Gayweather's demand makes him guilty beyond reasonable doubt for me.:-\

It's disenchanting, frustrating and painful to know that my favorite fighter had cheated his way to greatness.

He is like our current president ( Gloria Arroyo) who won the election through massive cheating.

I could still remember what Pacfan (where is he now?) had said before.

Pac's fate seems to be connected with Gloria Arroyo. I know now what he means by that.

Pac is a cheater and I can't believe I've been defending/helping him through so many years.

So PAINFUL....... Tsk.Tsk.Tsk.:eek:

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Let's wait a bit more before calling the curtain's down. The mediation is not over yet and I am confident something will be found. Otherwise, it'll be sad but some suspicions will be forever raised over the Pacman.

Posts with "Fact" in the title are misleading - -FACT!!!

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Pac's refusal (if it's his final decision) will certainly take away his all-time great status.

I really thought that the mediation would be successful but it seems that pac is really on PEDS/drugs and his continued refusal to agree to Gayweather's demand makes him guilty beyond reasonable doubt for me.:-\

It's disenchanting, frustrating and painful to know that my favorite fighter had cheated his way to greatness.

He is like our current president ( Gloria Arroyo) who won the election through massive cheating.

I could still remember what Pacfan (where is he now?) had said before.

Pac's fate seems to be connected with Gloria Arroyo. I know now what he means by that.

Pac is a cheater and I can't believe I've been defending/helping him through so many years.

So PAINFUL....... Tsk.Tsk.Tsk.:eek:

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I just hope that before pronouncing a man guilty that there should be concrete proof that he was indeed on PEDS. All of the things I read are pure speculation. No proof was offered except Manny's refusal to take blood test. That in itself could not be viewed as the basis of his guilt. But I respect your views on this matter. Its your opinion and your entitled to it.

And Manny's climb in weight and power is not unprecedented. There are other fighter who have done the same but were not accused of cheating.

But in a way I'm now half-hearted in agreeing with you that Manny should take the test in this point in time but for a different reason. If Manny agrees now to take the test it would paint him as the savior of the mega-fight in the eyes of fans around the world. And when Manny's blood test return clean it would also be a plus point for Manny even on Mayweathers fan and Pac Haters. Sympathy would swing on Manny's side to a lot of critics and fans, they would say 'see his clean, those accusations are unfounded' and Mayweather would look like ------…ehem... You know what I mean.

I'm not willing to come outright and say that he is on drugs, but the guy is acting like a little girl at the moment and in the process is denying EVERYONE the fight they want. He needs to man up because the suspicion is now there and it is NOT going to go away unless he does something about it. He could well be hiding something, but we don't really have any more evidence than his suspicious behaviour.

Going from one extreme to another doesn't make it fact. No one can say that it is a solid FACT that Pacquiao has abused performance enhancing drugs. Are there many non-conclusive signs that point towards such a possibility? Yes, but it has not been proven.

If in a couple months, he is still refusing to fight because of the tests, then it's a reasonable assumption, but mediation is still ongoing and we still may see this fight on March 13. Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that Pacquiao does accept a random testing schedule that guarantees that we can see a clean fight.

i want to see this fight so bad it makes ME want to act like a little girl and throw a temper tantrum until i get what we want.:mad:

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

i want to see this fight so bad it makes ME want to act like a little girl and throw a temper tantrum until i get what we want.:mad:

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Just make sure that you have someone record it, so we can all have a good laugh. ;D

A little reverse psycology Bruce.... I like it!!

Just let it be known, i will be more than devastated if the allegations are true. However, i'm still standing strong that he is not on any sort of PED's...

I disagree with this post in so many ways. So what if Pac takes the tests for this fight and is found to be clean? Maybe $40M was his motivation and he could have been juicing on his way up from 130 pounds. What's to say he didn't then? If he loses, do we chalk it up to the fact he lost to a better fighter or that he was on roids for the other fights and not this one? On the other hand, if he tests clean for this fight and wins, does this validate all his other performances? No, it shouldn't.

The bottom line is that Pac has tested clean his whole career and until he doesn't test clean, he can't be guilty of anything. Not that I am any sort of authority at all, but I don't believe Pac took roids because I thought he outboxed his recent opponents not outlasted or outchinned them. He would have knocked Hatton out in two rounds regardless and destroyed Oscar in the same way at 147. The Cotto fight was close until the third or fourth round when he hurt Cotto with a punch Cotto didn't see. That was the game changer. I don't see how roids helped that.

After reading the title, I thought somebody had conducted a sceance and been given sure word from the other side.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy G-Force

After reading the title, I thought somebody had conducted a sceance and been given sure word from the other side.

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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After reading the title, I thought somebody had conducted a sceance and been given sure word from the other side.

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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Originally Posted by Diane

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

i want to see this fight so bad it makes ME want to act like a little girl and throw a temper tantrum until i get what we want.:mad:

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Just make sure that you have someone record it, so we can all have a good laugh. ;D

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i'll do it on march 13 if it gets cancelled:eek:

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

i want to see this fight so bad it makes ME want to act like a little girl and throw a temper tantrum until i get what we want.:mad:

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Just make sure that you have someone record it, so we can all have a good laugh. ;D

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i'll do it on march 13 if it gets cancelled:eek:

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a fight can't get cancelled if it hasn't even been made yet

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a fight can't get cancelled if it hasn't even been made yet

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ohh you got me there;D

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After reading the title, I thought somebody had conducted a sceance and been given sure word from the other side.

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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Pac would make a great politician BTW, a little dwarf who can smile while hiding all the bile around him. He should quit now while the iron is hot.

No, I don't mean that. I want his face to be smashed in by Floyd first.

The fact that Bruce admits Pac may be using PED is unbelievable. Credit to Bruce to acknowledge that.

i applaud BRUCE LEE for taking this stand. for one, what is he supposed to think when his favorite fighter refuses to take a simple blood test? if pacquiao were my favorite fighter i too would have draw this conclusion. when margarito got caught with loaded gloves, i at first didn't want to believe it. but i came to the realization that margarito was/is a cheat and i jumped off his bandwagon.

sure pacquiao hasn't yet been tested positive but what is a boxing fan supposed to think when he refuses to take the simplest of tests? by pacquiao's inactions, he's saying to the boxing world that he definitely has something to hide. simple as that!

Eh kung saFACTkin ko kaya yang mukha mo?

Just kiddin' Bruce. ;D

I am not jumping ship at all just yet... We all know this fight was being talked about and in the works rather quickly... In fact a fight of this caliber would've never been thought of being made this quickly... There is a strong "possibility" that they had to come up with a way to put this fight in the forefront of everything else going on, and in such a small period of time. This was the perfect plan to hype this fight up to the maximum level in just a 3-4 month window... That is extremely impressive on how much this board and all the others have been sucked into the vortex of possiblities... Brilliant PR Stunt!

I am not buying into any of this YET, and i will await the mega fight for March 13th....


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME BE RIGHT!!!!
(for more reasons then just my hero being a possible cheater)

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Originally Posted by cnote111

I am not jumping ship at all just yet... We all know this fight was being talked about and in the works rather quickly... In fact a fight of this caliber would've never been thought of being made this quickly... There is a strong "possibility" that they had to come up with a way to put this fight in the forefront of everything else going on, and in such a small period of time. This was the perfect plan to hype this fight up to the maximum level in just a 3-4 month window... That is extremely impressive on how much this board and all the others have been sucked into the vortex of possiblities... Brilliant PR Stunt!

I am not buying into any of this YET, and i will await the mega fight for March 13th....


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME BE RIGHT!!!!
(for more reasons then just my hero being a possible cheater)

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It's not a brilliant pr move, it's a motherfunking disastrous one. Imagine Golden Boy talking to Top Rank and saying "this is how we create massive publicity for the fight! We'll put out a press release effectively claiming that your fighter is a cheat and a total fraud, then you deny it. But be sure to deny it in a bunch of ridiculous contradictory ways, say he's scared of needles when he's heavilt tattood, say he's superstitious and won't take blood tests within 30 days of the fight even though there's video evidence of him doing that before. And then continue to refuse to take tests while his reputation gets slimed so that even his own supporters are questioning him and the armchair PPV-buying public start to lose interest in the fight and Manny in general because it looks like he's a fraud. Then file a lawsuit against us making us look like a bunch of cnuts too! Then when we've made ourselves and the promotion look as bad as we possibly can let's say we found a resolution and the fight is back on!"


It's just nuts. Maintaining radio silence from announcing the fight until March 13th would have been a smarter idea to promote the fight than actually doing the events of the past two weeks on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by cnote111

I am not jumping ship at all just yet... We all know this fight was being talked about and in the works rather quickly... In fact a fight of this caliber would've never been thought of being made this quickly... There is a strong "possibility" that they had to come up with a way to put this fight in the forefront of everything else going on, and in such a small period of time. This was the perfect plan to hype this fight up to the maximum level in just a 3-4 month window... That is extremely impressive on how much this board and all the others have been sucked into the vortex of possiblities... Brilliant PR Stunt!

I am not buying into any of this YET, and i will await the mega fight for March 13th....


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME BE RIGHT!!!!
(for more reasons then just my hero being a possible cheater)

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It's not a brilliant pr move, it's a motherfunking disastrous one. Imagine Golden Boy talking to Top Rank and saying "this is how we create massive publicity for the fight! We'll put out a press release effectively claiming that your fighter is a cheat and a total fraud, then you deny it. But be sure to deny it in a bunch of ridiculous contradictory ways, say he's scared of needles when he's heavilt tattood, say he's superstitious and won't take blood tests within 30 days of the fight even though there's video evidence of him doing that before. And then continue to refuse to take tests while his reputation gets slimed so that even his own supporters are questioning him and the armchair PPV-buying public start to lose interest in the fight and Manny in general because it looks like he's a fraud. Then file a lawsuit against us making us look like a bunch of cnuts too! Then when we've made ourselves and the promotion look as bad as we possibly can let's say we found a resolution and the fight is back on!"


It's just nuts. Maintaining radio silence from announcing the fight until March 13th would have been a smarter idea to promote the fight than actually doing the events of the past two weeks on purpose.

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i've been on cnotes theory for a while. and its not necessarily how kirkland describes it. how i see it, GBP and top rank didn't talk it over. GBP just started it and it snowballed to what it is now. its hitting 2 birds with one stone. or that's just my wishful thinking:p

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Jimmy G-Force

After reading the title, I thought somebody had conducted a sceance and been given sure word from the other side.

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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a flip flop eh? is that a double entendre? lol

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Agreed, carnt understand why a fan, and a big fan of Pac at that, would come out with something as ludicrous in the title without having clear evidence :o :confused: :rolleyes:

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I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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assumption is not fact. fact!

hence the fact that most filipinos have the crab mentality.

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I disagree with this post in so many ways. So what if Pac takes the tests for this fight and is found to be clean? Maybe $40M was his motivation and he could have been juicing on his way up from 130 pounds. What's to say he didn't then? If he loses, do we chalk it up to the fact he lost to a better fighter or that he was on roids for the other fights and not this one? On the other hand, if he tests clean for this fight and wins, does this validate all his other performances? No, it shouldn't.

The bottom line is that Pac has tested clean his whole career and until he doesn't test clean, he can't be guilty of anything. Not that I am any sort of authority at all, but I don't believe Pac took roids because I thought he outboxed his recent opponents not outlasted or outchinned them. He would have knocked Hatton out in two rounds regardless and destroyed Oscar in the same way at 147. The Cotto fight was close until the third or fourth round when he hurt Cotto with a punch Cotto didn't see. That was the game changer. I don't see how roids helped that.

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I fail to see how steroids would give you a better chin :shrug:

For the rest of it, all boils down to designer roids and Ped's are not detected by the commissions urine test... Also if he was on any enhancement they would allow for more muscle as well as have a profound effect on his natural attributes of speed and power, thats why its absolutely suspicious and plausible that he could be on something with his unprecedented march through weight classes stopping 2 high caliber fighters who were established at their respected weights and 1 who was a shell of a man...

I am a huge baseball fan and have seen this shiit go down for the past decade with suspicion and ah ha moments when these guys are doing historical things.. You had average ball players who were turned into great players and great players that were absolutely off the map and comic book like... Testing and roid/Ped specialists have already stated Pac could finagle his cycle around his proposed schedule of before the 1st presser 24 days out and right after the fight...

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Eh kung saFACTkin ko kaya yang mukha mo?

Just kiddin' Bruce. ;D

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Post in English or it gets removed. ;)

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by miles

I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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Pac would make a great politician BTW, a little dwarf who can smile while hiding all the bile around him. He should quit now while the iron is hot.

No, I don't mean that. I want his face to be smashed in by Floyd first.

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Miles. I love you.;D

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Originally Posted by miles

I think Bruce must be on PED's. It is a bit of a sudden flip flop.

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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Pac would make a great politician BTW, a little dwarf who can smile while hiding all the bile around him. He should quit now while the iron is hot.

No, I don't mean that. I want his face to be smashed in by Floyd first.

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That short sentence is the single greatest piece of evidence of just how badly Manny has fucked up. The day that Miles roots for Mayweather to smash anybody's face in may well be the day hell freezes over. Hmmm... I wonder if the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will coincide with that whole 2012 thing ;D

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No,I'm serious about this. I've been wary about this fight not happening because of Pac and I've made a thread about it a month ago. I thought that the May election and his ludicrous ambition to become a lawmaker would hinder this fight but it seems that pac does not want to fight Gayweather with all those blood tests.

So I'm assuming that Pac must really be using PEDs.

As I've said before, if this fight doesn't happen then I will become a Pac hater for life.:cool:

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Pac would make a great politician BTW, a little dwarf who can smile while hiding all the bile around him. He should quit now while the iron is hot.

No, I don't mean that. I want his face to be smashed in by Floyd first.

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That short sentence is the single greatest piece of evidence of just how badly Manny has fucked up. The day that Miles roots for Mayweather to smash anybody's face in may well be the day hell freezes over. Hmmm... I wonder if the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will coincide with that whole 2012 thing ;D

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Yeah, one of my more animated outbursts. ;D

I'm afraid Pac has driven me over the edge with this whole farce. All I wanted was a good fight and I was even supporting Manny, but it has all turned around. I can't stand Mayweather as we all know, but Manny has been acting like a complete and utter pansy. There is no way to excuse his carry on (though his orc crew are doing a pretty feeble job of trying to do just that). It's a little like politics with Mayweather having become the lesser of the two evils. He has my vote as he is willing to lay it on the line and prove he is clean. Manny keeps on smiling, but he looks like a grubby so and so right now. He gets a big thumbs down followed by a stiff middle finger.

The world has truly gone crazy, Bruce questioning Pac man and now Miles supporting Floyd. How things change, bet both go back to their normal self when the fight starts. :)

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Eh kung saFACTkin ko kaya yang mukha mo?

Just kiddin' Bruce. ;D

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its funny tho. he just said " how about I smack you in the face?" with the play on words with the word "fact" in it.