End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off

We'll see if this holds up, but it's being reported that the fight is off.

Mayweather-Pacquiao: No Deal Reached! - Boxing News

Here's confirmation from ESPN.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight is off - ESPN

This won't be a popular post by most of you, but below was my prediction that I made when the fight was first being discussed.

I stand by this statement, and still believe it to be true.

However I will say, that if Manny has nothing to hide, he should just take the damn test, just to shut them up.

I guess that I'm also hoping that Manny does not have anything to hide, because it would just kill me to know that Miguel's only two losses, came at the hands of two cheaters, and that both of them thought that they needed something extra to beat Miguel. That would make me lose a lot of faith in this sport, and I don't want to lose faith.

Mayweather played his cards right, and now he doesn't have to get into a high risk fight, and comes out of this with Manny being the bad guy. Just like I said.


BTW this post was part of my thread that I started about Mayweather to possibly face Matthew Hatton.

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Tune up my a$$. :p

Mayweather is all low risk, high reward these days. He knows that if he fights one of these guys in the US, he would not be able to sell out the arena, but take it on the road over to UK, and he knows that no matter who he's fighting, it will get sold out.

Do you really think that he's going to get into the ring with Manny? I sure as $hit don't, he's to afraid of losing that zero on his record. Mayweather will make such ridiculous demands during any negotiations, that it will make it impossible to strike a deal. Then he'll put all the blame on Manny and his team, saying that Manny didn't want to fight him.

Just guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if the source for this story is Mayweather Sr., he talks to one of the main writers of the site all the time.

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Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I can't believe this.

What a circus, what a joke. I think really Floyd and Pac should be ashamed, but especially Pac. Nobody LIKES to give blood, but seriously, as a world champion boxer - HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

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I can't believe this.

What a circus, what a joke. I think really Floyd and Pac should be ashamed, but especially Pac. Nobody LIKES to give blood, but seriously, as a world champion boxer - HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

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Thats just an excuse,He must be guilty and hiding something, give me 30 minutes with him he would skip into the room to give blood ,phobias are easily fixed these days even with females with long standing blind panic styled ones with snakes and spiders. There are people in his country, all countries that could fix that one up in no time flat.

I just hope that from now on anyone Manny wishes to fight demands the tests so he has no one left. What a baby girl.

pacroids fans over at his websites are trying to make it sound like mayweather jr. is the one chickening out. these cats would say anything to save face. but the fact remains is, mayweather jr. definitely wants this fight. it is pacroido who is balking at taking a simple blood test. i guess actions speak louder than words.

I would be extremely surprised if it didn't happen. Perhaps not march, but september or something like that. the only thing that I hope are that Manny doesn't have something to hide and that it is not to finish his lawsuit to then attack the fight.

f@ck the both of them for not fighting each other and a special f@ck you pac for letting your fans down!

Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

What else can be said....

Smokescreen works at Saddo!

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

What else can be said....

Smokescreen works at Saddo!

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It's bullshit, you can't be weakened by that!! When I was testing medicine, I could have 20 blood draw in 2 days, small amount. I could do whatever I wanted and even went doing sport after the week-end. IT is impossible and it is total crap that it "weakens" Pacman, everybody knows that. Now the fight is off and suspicion will be raised on pac's case forever till he accepts random blood test if he's not guilty!

If the Mayweathers wanted this fight, as they are letting the public to believe, then they should have just raised the steroids issue after the fight and not before the fight.

Vargas looked juiced up, but De La Hoya still beat the John Crap out of him anyways.

Win or lose, money in the bank. As "money" ya would think would have it... eh?

Win could have been tooo much heaven, and lose, gives them an easy out... the 'roid card. But nooooo! Nothin' should threaten the "0".

You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!

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You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!

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What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.

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Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

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i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?

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You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!

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What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.

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yeah man.. pac didnt think fast there.. he should have asked the commision to draw blood from mayweathers thigh so he wont be able to run all night. if pac cant punch 100% then mayweather wont be able to keep running.

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You did not fight Erik Morales for 12 gruelling rounds either, Buddy!

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What does it have to do with the fact that his behaviors are highly suspect? nothing. PAc struggled against Morrales because El Terrible was a much better technician than him and probably as fast. Wouldn't it have been from the weight drain, PAcman would have lost the second time against him too. Morrales was just very good and Pac had difficulties against him, period. Thinking that a blooddraw can weaken you to this point is fake excuses. I don't need to fight nobody to understand how I would want to make sure that my opponent is playing by the rules. You can say whatever you want as a blind sight fan but objectively, Pacman has no reasons whatsoever to refuse random blood test for this fight, especially as Mayweather would have the same.

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yeah man.. pac didnt think fast there.. he should have asked the commision to draw blood from mayweathers thigh so he wont be able to run all night. if pac cant punch 100% then mayweather wont be able to keep running.

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Mayweather is subjected to the same blood tests, for your information, and they can pull the blood from any veins, it has never been stipulated nowhere that it has to be taken from Manny's left arm exactly from the sensitive and hurtful location, for your very own information.

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Originally Posted by miles

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

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i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?

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I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

Ok....hmm....fuck you manny... fuck you!!! Peoples champ ay, so you rob them of the fight they all want to see? I have said it all along, if you wanna be world class then throw all your superstitions away, throw your religion out the window because if its going to stop you from giving a blood test then that is unfair to everyone else and if you wanna be at the top then you gotta be the best at everything and that includes abiding by the rules.

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Originally Posted by miles

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

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i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?

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I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

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Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.

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Originally Posted by miles

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. How frustrating can boxing be?

Manny Pacquiao is a disgrace. All he had to do was agree to the kind of checks that teenage gymnasts readily go through in the Olympics and he couldn't even do that.

His career is done as far as I'm concerned. There is no demand for a fight with Foreman and Malignaggi has certainly done nothing to warrant a shot.

It all boils down to the question as to why Manny so vehemently refuses random blood testing. You would think fair enough "test me" if you have nothing to hide and you want to cement your legacy. And instead he risks his entire reputation because he doesn't want to provide a blood test?

He is either seriously unhinged or hiding something. There is no rationale for his behaviour.

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i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?

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I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

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thats what mayweather wants people to look at it. he wants random testing because he knows pac wont budge since he had a bad experience from the first morales fight.

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i guess you didnt read the espn link huh? well arum said it so he might be lying. blame manny. mayweather seemed like he really wants random. maybe hes hoping that manny gets his blood drawn while he does his ring walk. he agreed to get his blood taken right after the fight so do you think he'll stop taking PEDS 2 days prior to the fight so he'll pass?

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I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

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Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.

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did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD

Just playing Devil's Advocate here but people are forgetting one thing, the FACTS!!

Manny has never failed a drug test! They have absolutely no proof that he's ever used anything, it's just a theory thought up by Mayeather Sr. Pac is obiding by the rules set out by NSAC and them some.

Forget what you'd do if you was Manny, forget how it looks or what reasoning you have for taking the tests. Forget what happened with Mosley. Manny hasn't done anything wrong, he is obiding by the same rules as every other single boxing match in history!

Innocent until proven guilty! And besides, the fight may still happen at a later date...

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

What else can be said....

Smokescreen works at Saddo!

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No, no, no. :rolleyes:

Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.

It's not good this. Not good at all.

Before all this shinnanigans, i thought Pac Man was an absolute legend and Mayweather was a great fighter but a bit shy when it came to fighting someone his own size.

Now I think Pac Man may have something to hide and Mayweather is a joke.

Mayweather said it would be an easy fight! So easy that he did everything possible to ensure that it was called off.

Carry on fighting over-rated smaller men Mayweather or well passed their best fighters. You will always have pathetic people kissing your overated yellow arse.

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Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

What else can be said....

Smokescreen works at Saddo!

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No, no, no. :rolleyes:

Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.

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i see where you're coming from. and i do agree about manny and the question marks next to his name because of certain allegations from a convicted drug dealer. but lets put ourselves in mannys shoes here for a moment. if you had a history of being outsmarted in a fight negotiation. for example, he was outhussled in the negotiations during the first morales fight by his own promoter. he was forced to use winning gloves instead of reyes, his blood was drawn two days before the fight and he believed that weakened him. the same pattern of negotiating floyd used. wanting to fight at 154, 10 oz gloves and random blood testing. well only the random blood testing worked against pacquiao.

I can't believe this.

Not taking sides - 6 of one half a dozen of the other . Both have gone down in my estimation.

And more importantly they have dealt a killer blow to the sport that has made them mega starts and mega rich. And don't seem to give two shits about us the fans.

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here but people are forgetting one thing, the FACTS!!

Manny has never failed a drug test! They have absolutely no proof that he's ever used anything, it's just a theory thought up by Mayeather Sr. Pac is obiding by the rules set out by NSAC and them some.

Forget what you'd do if you was Manny, forget how it looks or what reasoning you have for taking the tests. Forget what happened with Mosley. Manny hasn't done anything wrong, he is obiding by the same rules as every other single boxing match in history!

Innocent until proven guilty! And besides, the fight may still happen at a later date...

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i guess that applies to everybody other than manny pacquiao. he is guilty unless he proves hes not. its kinda like telling a monk he's gay because he wont sleep with women.

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Pacquiao was willing to give blood tests as late as 24 days before the fight and additionally if still needed, right after the fight. This surely ensures a satisfaction for both camps. One camp for concern on steroids use, and the other for a continuity for a "ritual" but proven winning fight preparations.

This was the concession that the Pac group were willing to accomodate. However, the Mayweathers said no, as they wanted random blood tests to take place right up until seconds before the fight, this was unfortunately, disagreeable to Manny and rightfully so.

Pacquiao, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to hide. He plainly is not comfortable being randomly tested for the disruption it creates on his fight preparations. Likewise, it also has a history as a recipe for a bad result, (Morales vs Pac I) where he was tested days before the fight and he immediately felt enormously weakened as a result and to never achieve peak form atop the ring.

What else can be said....

Smokescreen works at Saddo!

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No, no, no. :rolleyes:

Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.

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i see where you're coming from. and i do agree about manny and the question marks next to his name because of certain allegations from a convicted drug dealer. but lets put ourselves in mannys shoes here for a moment. if you had a history of being outsmarted in a fight negotiation. for example, he was outhussled in the negotiations during the first morales fight by his own promoter. he was forced to use winning gloves instead of reyes, his blood was drawn two days before the fight and he believed that weakened him. the same pattern of negotiating floyd used. wanting to fight at 154, 10 oz gloves and random blood testing. well only the random blood testing worked against pacquiao.

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There is no denying that Mayweather is a dick. He has always been a dick and that is why I don't like him, but it's a shame that Manny has turned out to be a bit of a dick too. Mayweather might be a ducker, but he's never going to have the stigma of drug abuse hanging over him.

At the end of the day Mayweathers demand is one that many professional athletes have to go through, so to turn down 40million big ones over a needle is just crazy. The fight was there to be made and the best Manny can do is to suggest a blood test 24 days before the fight. That is ridiculous, does he really need 3 weeks plus to get over a blood test and get himself in the zone? It's such a crock of shit and just makes him look like he is hiding something.

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No, no, no. :rolleyes:

Pac's proposal to change the cut off date from 30 days to 24 days is a nothing proposal. It is far from the random testing which has been asked all along.

The arguments that you are offering in defence of Manny are ludicrous. The tests would have little impact on his training. There were a bunch of excuses for the Morales loss and bloodtesting was one of them. It couldn't be down to the fact that on the night Morales was simply better than him, could it now? I see there were no excuses after getting the nod over Marquez second time out. It's funny how there are no excuses when the cards go in your favour.

Manny, the supposed fans fighter, has gone and chickened out when it mattered the most. And you have to wonder, why? Were the questions being asked simply too much for him to handle? Or too close to the bone? Manny now has serious question marks next to his name and has made a lot of people very angry.

It's a disgrace. The responses from his team have been haphazard at best or else outright dishonest. We all knew Manny was tough to negotiate with, but this is absurd. The biggest fight of the decade off because of a refusal to submit to random testing.

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i see where you're coming from. and i do agree about manny and the question marks next to his name because of certain allegations from a convicted drug dealer. but lets put ourselves in mannys shoes here for a moment. if you had a history of being outsmarted in a fight negotiation. for example, he was outhussled in the negotiations during the first morales fight by his own promoter. he was forced to use winning gloves instead of reyes, his blood was drawn two days before the fight and he believed that weakened him. the same pattern of negotiating floyd used. wanting to fight at 154, 10 oz gloves and random blood testing. well only the random blood testing worked against pacquiao.

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There is no denying that Mayweather is a dick. He has always been a dick and that is why I don't like him, but it's a shame that Manny has turned out to be a bit of a dick too. Mayweather might be a ducker, but he's never going to have the stigma of drug abuse hanging over him.

At the end of the day Mayweathers demand is one that many professional athletes have to go through, so to turn down 40million big ones over a needle is just crazy. The fight was there to be made and the best Manny can do is to suggest a blood test 24 days before the fight. That is ridiculous, does he really need 3 weeks plus to get over a blood test and get himself in the zone? It's such a crock of shit and just makes him look like he is hiding something.

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i know 40 million is a HUGE amount of money and could be the biggest to be made in a fight but you guys forgot where manny came from. he came from absolutely nothing so i think money is not the issue here. and ok. 24 days before the fight is a bit weak but how about right after the fight? everybody keeps on overlooking that fact. you dont think PEDS would be detected right after the fight?

There is no question in my mind that this fight will happen. It will happen, its way,way too big not to happen. The sport of boxing needs this fight, and it will be done. It's just a case of when. Anybody that thinks this fight is dead and buried is kidding themselves.

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I have read it. The only change in Mannys camp was an offer to reduce the window for testing from 30 days to 24 days. That is far from any acceptance of random blood testing.

Manny has thrown away the fight, and it doesn't matter how Arum tries to spin it. The facts are there in the article. Mayweathers demands were the same as they have been all the way through negotiations. It is Manny's camp that offered the lame proposal of 24 days before the fight. A very weak move to make them look as though they are offering something, despite the fact that there is nothing random in their proposal and still allows for possible loopholes.

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Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.

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did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD

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I think you don't get it, don't you? Did you ever saw me said he was juiced? Read my old posts, I always said he has to be proven innocent till the opposite but that his refusal to get a tea spoon of blood removed, which absolutely can't weaken him makes it all very dubious and with reason. Like it or not, it is dubious for reasons. Fact. Like it or not, it's suspicious he refuses something so basic for 40 millions. Fact. Like it or not, it is humanly impossible to be weakened for such a small quantity of blood, biologically proven by every specialists. Fact.

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Don't try to reason them Miles, they will just stick to what Manny does even if he would kill somebody, they just don't want to be objective.

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did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD

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I think you don't get it, don't you? Did you ever saw me said he was juiced? Read my old posts,I always said he has to be proven innocent till the opposite but that his refusal to get a tea spoon of blood removed, which absolutely can't weaken him makes it all very dubious and with reason. Like it or not, it is dubious for reasons. Fact. Like it or not, it's suspicious he refuses something so basic for 40 millions. Fact. Like it or not, it is humanly impossible to be weakened for such a small quantity of blood, biologically proven by every specialists. Fact.

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oh yeah. how come people go limp in just the sight of blood not even their own. some people after a veil of blood drawn have to sit around and drink orange juice for at least an hour so they wont faint. is it really biologically proven then post you link here. and how did you know it was a small quantity of blood? did you read the contract? was it disclosed to you and not to everybody else. dont make assusmptions and put the word FACT next to it.

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did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD

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I think you don't get it, don't you? Did you ever saw me said he was juiced? Read my old posts,I always said he has to be proven innocent till the opposite but that his refusal to get a tea spoon of blood removed, which absolutely can't weaken him makes it all very dubious and with reason. Like it or not, it is dubious for reasons. Fact. Like it or not, it's suspicious he refuses something so basic for 40 millions. Fact. Like it or not, it is humanly impossible to be weakened for such a small quantity of blood, biologically proven by every specialists. Fact.

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oh yeah. how come people go limp in just the sight of blood not even their own. some people after a veil of blood drawn have to sit around and drink orange juice for at least an hour so they wont faint. is it really biologically proven then post you link here. and how did you know it was a small quantity of blood? did you read the contract? was it disclosed to you and not to everybody else. dont make assusmptions and put the word FACT next to it.

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I've had a couple of blood tests, so I and I'm sure others do know!

Are those tattoos of his stick on or was it by a needle breaking the skin?

If they need to sit about it's because of whats in their head and not losing a little blood.

People who donate blood don't have this problem!! So why should someone who is at the highest level of fitness?

Those are facts.

i wonder if they can give us the trainscript of how the mediation took place.

dammit. why'd this have to happen? i still think this fight is happening later this year.

Fukk Manny Pacquiao! The dude has just ruined any chances of one of the biggest fights we've seen in ages. If this fight truly doesn't come off as a result of him refusing to do the blood tests, then I gotta say my respect for him is gone.

I think its interesting how some Puss fans around here past and present have flashed sigs, pictures and avatars like KananKraus does of Pussiauo in Bruce Lee movie back drops trying to make an obvious comparison to their physiques..

Funny thing is Bruce was insanely obsessed with his body, he ran lifted weights, used electrical stimulation on his muscles, incorporated agility drills and tokk a myriad of supplements as well as ANABOLIC STEROIDS!!!!!!!

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did anybody prove he's juicing? did you? not unless you give us proof then you and the rest of us here could speculate. mayweather started boxing at 106 lbs for golden gloves and now hes a welterweight, so you think hes juicing too? how about oscar, he fought at 130 all the way up to 160, so can we accuse him of juicing? mosley admited that he was on steroids but a lot of people think he lost to oscar on the second fight. vargas was also caught juicing, didnt dela hoya lay him out? bush said that theres WMD in iraq, iraq is now torn inside out and nobody found anything, not even half of 1 WMD

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I think you don't get it, don't you? Did you ever saw me said he was juiced? Read my old posts,I always said he has to be proven innocent till the opposite but that his refusal to get a tea spoon of blood removed, which absolutely can't weaken him makes it all very dubious and with reason. Like it or not, it is dubious for reasons. Fact. Like it or not, it's suspicious he refuses something so basic for 40 millions. Fact. Like it or not, it is humanly impossible to be weakened for such a small quantity of blood, biologically proven by every specialists. Fact.

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oh yeah. how come people go limp in just the sight of blood not even their own. some people after a veil of blood drawn have to sit around and drink orange juice for at least an hour so they wont faint. is it really biologically proven then post you link here. and how did you know it was a small quantity of blood? did you read the contract? was it disclosed to you and not to everybody else. dont make assusmptions and put the word FACT next to it.

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Sorry but you won't fool me with your stupid argumentation, if they would force him to get blood drawn from a specific place, they would have negociated to have it taken somewhere else and as it doesn't matter, it sure is not a big deal. They just want a sampler of blood, no matter where it is extracted, to see if it contains strange substances. As for your peoples fainting, they aren't dying, Pacman even accepted the blood tests without hesitation, just not 24 days before the fight. If they extract it after a day where he trains, how would it ruin his preparation? Not at all. ¨PAcman agreed to the tests, just not random, he won't fain neither die, this argument is just silly and you're just trying to protect your idol in a very very very poor way. so yeah, FACT.