Atlas says reliable sources confirm Manny is juiced

1) The first asked if the fight could happen and what would be the penalties if PAcquiao was tested positive.

2) Second asked if it was possible to keep it secret for the sake of boxing if Pacquiao was proven positive.


I hope for him that it's true otherwise, here comes the lawsuit but indeed, this is getting quite interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cHRG...ayer_embedded#at 2:00, Atlas states that some reliable sources of him told him that the Pacquiao Clan wrote 2 mails to the Mayweather's camp.

I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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If those emails exist and Atlas is convinced that his source is reliable then fair play to Atlas on speaking out. If that is not the case, then it probably wasn't so smart. But I like Atlas and like to think he wasn't plucking information out of thin air. Apart from the emails which I really don't know about, I thought he argued his case well. Why not just take the tests and fight? That is just what we are all asking and Atlas seems to be on the same page too.

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I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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Well i dont think hes that liable because he says hes not claiming manny is dirty and that he has someone telling him that they saw emails. He is not claimed to have seen them himself, hes only saying what someone else told him.

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I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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Well i dont think hes that liable because he says hes not claiming manny is dirty and that he has someone telling him that they saw emails. He is not claimed to have seen them himself, hes only saying what someone else told him.

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That's true. Atlas probably covered himself quite well.

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I'm glad that Atlas took the stance he did. The whole "I will not be dictated to argument" is weak to say the least. A two week window is ideal. Roach said himself that Manny doesn't feel comfortable for 3 days after taking blood. Well Mayweather has offered 2 entire weeks. And Pacs camp decline it? Hmm.

I'm not sure how reliable these emails are that Atlas is talking about, but even without emails and added scandal, Pacquiao still looks highly suspicious. The fight is available, Mayweather has said that he wants to fight. What are we waiting for? Oh right, Manny is worried about a blood test! I was watching that dicumentary "Supersize me" the other day. The guy was getting blood tests practically everyday without a bother. What is Manny's excuse? He's like a little kid, "Mummy. Don't let them touch my blood! Wa wa wa".

It seems to me that Pac really must be juicing or else simply doesn't want to fight Mayweather.

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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Well i dont think hes that liable because he says hes not claiming manny is dirty and that he has someone telling him that they saw emails. He is not claimed to have seen them himself, hes only saying what someone else told him.

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I think, like Miles said, that his way to phrase things is in order to protect him as much as possible, you know the kind of "I am not saying that Manny is juiced but I have very good and reliable sources that are stating that..."

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People on this forum have lost it! I would not say Pacquiao is afraid to take a blood test because he might get caught. It makes no logical sense at all. Here is why.

Let us say, you have amassed a very nice fortune and could retire today. You love your wife and family dearly and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize your relationship. They are more important to you than anything and would die for them. You are planning a trip to a Vegas conference. You have actually cheated on your wife and got away with it because it's impossible that you could ever get caught. (There is almost no guy wouldn't) Your friend is another very wealthy guy going with you and his gold digger wife suspects him of cheating. His wife is watching him very closely and has actually hired a private detective to watch his every move. Your wife knows this and has told you about it. Your friend tells you that he has lined up some very hot playboy mansion type girls for your trip to Vegas. Now tell me you're going to screw up the life you love and cheat! That would make no sense at all.

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People on this forum have lost it! I would not say Pacquiao is afraid to take a blood test because he might get caught. It makes no logical sense at all. Here is why.

Let us say, you have amassed a very nice fortune and could retire today. You love your wife and family dearly and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize your relationship. They are more important to you than anything and would die for them. You are planning a trip to a Vegas conference. You have actually cheated on your wife and got away with it because it's impossible that you could ever get caught. (There is almost no guy wouldn't) Your friend is another very wealthy guy going with you and his gold digger wife suspects him of cheating. His wife is watching him very closely and has actually hired a private detective to watch his every move. Your wife knows this and has told you about it. Your friend tells you that he has lined up some very hot playboy mansion type girls for your trip to Vegas. Now tell me you're going to screw up the life you love and cheat! That would make no sense at all.

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Your argument makes no sense at all.

3 weeks windows according to every specialists = the eternity to cheat and to prepare cycles, go to the other topics, we've discussed it a lot.
If he has nothing to hide, for a juicy 40 millions, Manny should have no problems to take it, especially as doctors have stated that the quantity of blood was way too small to weakens out anybody.
I did sail many boxing forums and I've decided to stick here because the quality of the argumentation in general is unprecedented, peoples (most at least) try to be as objective as possible, this forum to me is only losing it when fanatics fan come to defend their boxer at all costs even though it doesn't make sense.

There is no reason to question Teddys integrity as he has no loyalties towards either camp but if what he says is true then that pretty much confirm Pac has been on roids all along.

" If mannys tests positive can we keep it secret for the sake of boxing?"

Tells us all we need to know

I'm sorry but what I believe Teddy (who I like and respect) just said is that he has been told by a reliable source that...



Somebody from within the Pacquiao camp sent a piece of electronic communication (that can be saved, printed whatever) and in it asked the Mayweather camp what the penalty would be if Manny tested positive to performance enhancing drugs. THEN they send ANOTHER EMAIL asking that, IF Manny WAS found to be using PED's, could they KEEP IT A SECRET?? This is what I'm supposed to believe?

Why would someone in Pac's camp do that?:rolleyes:



Seriously, this shit just went completely Days of Our Lives.

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People on this forum have lost it! I would not say Pacquiao is afraid to take a blood test because he might get caught. It makes no logical sense at all. Here is why.

Let us say, you have amassed a very nice fortune and could retire today. You love your wife and family dearly and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize your relationship. They are more important to you than anything and would die for them. You are planning a trip to a Vegas conference. You have actually cheated on your wife and got away with it because it's impossible that you could ever get caught. (There is almost no guy wouldn't) Your friend is another very wealthy guy going with you and his gold digger wife suspects him of cheating. His wife is watching him very closely and has actually hired a private detective to watch his every move. Your wife knows this and has told you about it. Your friend tells you that he has lined up some very hot playboy mansion type girls for your trip to Vegas. Now tell me you're going to screw up the life you love and cheat! That would make no sense at all.

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That explains it all then. Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to say. :confused:

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I'm sorry but what I believe Teddy (who I like and respect) just said is that he has been told by a reliable source that...



Somebody from within the Pacquiao camp sent a piece of electronic communication (that can be saved, printed whatever) and in it asked the Mayweather camp what the penalty would be if Manny tested positive to performance enhancing drugs. THEN they send ANOTHER EMAIL asking that, IF Manny WAS found to be using PED's, could they KEEP IT A SECRET?? This is what I'm supposed to believe?

Why would someone in Pac's camp do that?:rolleyes:



Seriously, this shit just went completely Days of Our Lives.

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It sounds absurd, doesn't it. I suppose we should just wait and see what emerges in the next few days. But to incriminate themselves in such a way would be one of the stupidest things ever.

The whole thing is a joke, never have I know crap like this and really puts me off boxing. Juicing up is wrong and Pac Man has been caught out! :(

Of course it is Miles - you'd have to be insane to do that.


IF Pac is juicing, and it's still a pretty big if for me, then you submit to the testing, get off the gear and try and beat him naturally. Win or lose, you take your $40 million and ride off into the sunset.

You DON'T ask them what the penalty would be if you keep doing it:-\


How absurd is that? So Ben Johnson doesn't get caught at Seoul, but Carl Lewis wants random testing for Barcelona. Johnson's coach rings up the Olympic committee and says - "look guys we've got a bit of a problem here... how bad would it be if my guy tests positive for PED's? Hmmm... that's pretty bad... ok... well is there any chance we could keep it a secret for the good of athletics?";D


Only in boxing.

I've just got to face facts that I am in love with the most fucked up sport in the world. It's like having a massive horn for a woman who likes to use knives in the bedroom, screw other blokes and who talks about healing and growth all the time. You know it's going to hurt but you go there anyway:D

speaking of "reliable sources", check this outtt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBFI7KT4uaw
dammit i hate it that i'm trying to be updated with this shit but i can't help it.

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Of course it is Miles - you'd have to be insane to do that.


IF Pac is juicing, and it's still a pretty big if for me, then you submit to the testing, get off the gear and try and beat him naturally. Win or lose, you take your $40 million and ride off into the sunset.

You DON'T ask them what the penalty would be if you keep doing it:-\


How absurd is that? So Ben Johnson doesn't get caught at Seoul, but Carl Lewis wants random testing for Barcelona. Johnson's coach rings up the Olympic committee and says - "look guys we've got a bit of a problem here... how bad would it be if my guy tests positive for PED's? Hmmm... that's pretty bad... ok... well is there any chance we could keep it a secret for the good of athletics?";D


Only in boxing.

I've just got to face facts that I am in love with the most fucked up sport in the world. It's like having a massive horn for a woman who likes to use knives in the bedroom, screw other blokes and who talks about healing and growth all the time. You know it's going to hurt but you go there anyway:D

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who ironically tested positive for a banned substance prior to the 1987 world championships, this was supposedly kept quiet for 'the good of the sport'

his shown a copy of the test result and letter than was sent to him at the time on the documentary Bigger,Faster,Stronger.... didnt seemed too phased by it though

its probably more suprising for any athlete to be NOT using anything than the other way round ... this seems to be the sad truth of it all

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1) The first asked if the fight could happen and what would be the penalties if PAcquiao was tested positive.

2) Second asked if it was possible to keep it secret for the sake of boxing if Pacquiao was proven positive.


I hope for him that it's true otherwise, here comes the lawsuit but indeed, this is getting quite interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cHRG...ayer_embedded#at 2:00, Atlas states that some reliable sources of him told him that the Pacquiao Clan wrote 2 mails to the Mayweather's camp.

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Interesting find, but it's utterly absurd: Why would anyone from the Pacquiao camp send out such e-mails? E-mails that YOU KNOW the Mayweather camp would be all over, and would have already put together a press release containing such e-mails, if such e-mails existed.

I like Atlas. He's a bit of a nut and makes off-the-wall observations sometimes, but he's really a good guy, which isn't too common in such a disgustingly corrupt sport; however, I think this is all conjecture and he said, she said drivel. Mayweather -- along with his camp -- has made claims; those claims haven't been validly substantiated, and they have also been used -- in my humble opinion -- to exploit the lagging interest in a near dead sport, sell tickets and engage in psychological warfare.

Humans are fairly predictable, and greed conquers all - particularly in this sport. The fight WILL happen, its just a matter of when.

As a Pacquiao fan, and as a person who has used anabolics in my distant past, I can't say definitively that he's not dopping. However, I've followed Pac's ascent through the ranks for years, and I can see nothing that would lead me to believe that he's used anabolics or G.H.

The fact that he doesn't want to be tested shortly before the fight doesn't make much sense and seems to lend itself to the idea that this decision is governed by superstition on Pacquiao's part. These are boxers, folks. They aren't calculating the expansion rate of the universe or working on String Theory.

I think that Mayweather is doing a wonderful job of selling a fight which may potentially trump all other boxing events. Although unlikely, I hope he does a far worse job in the ring and gets the thorough leveling he has coming to him in the not so distant future.

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of in my life. I'm sorry but my faith in mankind will be shot to shit if Manny's people tried to discuss this with Floyd's people THROUGH EMAIL. Hi Police, I was just wondering if its ok if I could sleep with dead people. Thanks in advance for your response. P.S. please DON'T forward this to anyone.

DUMBEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD.

Teddy better have seen these emails.

If this is true I'll just be deeply disturbed about the future of mankind.

He's probably juicing but this is effing ridiculous.

Could team Pac really be so dumb? Really??

I mean every other decision they make seems genius, like making ODLH drain right down to 147. I don't think they'd make stupid mistakes like this!! Probably more mind games and selling to the public.

I wouldn't be suprised if the fight really has been agreed but maybe for May or June and with such a stretch maybe they are just thinking of some way to keep it in the press, then Manny does take the test he comes out clean and regains his superman status at least until PBF kicks his ass.

This is something like the most likely scenario for me.

I also did read about this in the article Atlas is referring to, not that it makes it true. I guess it would be easy to prove if in fact there are e-mails. Not sure if they haven't come out cause of the gag order or it is just bullshit. The saga continues....

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Yeah I pretty much agree, it's very hard to state how his sources are reliable but it seems like there is a bit more smoke than what it used to have, I don't know but if I was Atlas, I wouldn't make such comment with a very high certitude, especially now that some lawsuits have been engaged. let's see how it pans out and definitely, 2 weeks window is more than acceptable in the circumstances.

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Well i dont think hes that liable because he says hes not claiming manny is dirty and that he has someone telling him that they saw emails. He is not claimed to have seen them himself, hes only saying what someone else told him.

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That's true. Atlas probably covered himself quite well.

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he has to cover him self, i mean he lives in a country where people sue mcdonalds for milliond coz the coffee is to hot...

i don't think Atlas is the type to lie...

Well if Atlas is saying it, he's not juicing. You can take that one to the bank. ;D

as I said before, I agree with all of you wondering why they would write emails, especially because they could send a representative to talk or speak in person how... however, I wonder why Teddy would otherwise make such statements that could potentially put him in the murky deep... Perhaps a bit too much faith in his sources or an indirect attempt to get the fight done by putting pressure on Pacman to take the test.... Dunno, this is just this part (why say that if it's not true and risk some lawsuits) that makes me to wonder.
If it is true, I could imagine that the Mayweather's camp would still ponder their options and assuredly not spit on such a juicy match right away. As they say, money makes the world go round, perhaps they would ask for 5-10 millions if he's tested positive, agree to keep under silence and just bank the bonus or something, which could make a fair bargain in exchange of the 10 millions per pound.
IF we speculate even more (keep in mind, we're just talking to talk and evaluate), the Mayweather camp and PAcquiao deliberately didn't do the match for march to allow more time to find a compromise about the Peds thing or to give the time to Manny to come out with a clean organism for the fight, all that kept secret for some financial reasons and for the sake of boxing (assuming he took peds, of course).

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People on this forum have lost it! I would not say Pacquiao is afraid to take a blood test because he might get caught. It makes no logical sense at all. Here is why.

Let us say, you have amassed a very nice fortune and could retire today. You love your wife and family dearly and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize your relationship. They are more important to you than anything and would die for them. You are planning a trip to a Vegas conference. You have actually cheated on your wife and got away with it because it's impossible that you could ever get caught. (There is almost no guy wouldn't) Your friend is another very wealthy guy going with you and his gold digger wife suspects him of cheating. His wife is watching him very closely and has actually hired a private detective to watch his every move. Your wife knows this and has told you about it. Your friend tells you that he has lined up some very hot playboy mansion type girls for your trip to Vegas. Now tell me you're going to screw up the life you love and cheat! That would make no sense at all.

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That explains it all then. Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to say. :confused:

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Me either, that post is made up and its not only clutching at straws, its making them out of plastic then clutching at them.

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The whole thing is a joke, never have I know crap like this and really puts me off boxing. Juicing up is wrong and Pac Man has been caught out! :(

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That's for impartial and civilized people to decide thus explained the lawsuit. Sadly you're excluded so stick to your mob/street justice and continue masturbating to whatever those crackhead Mayweather says.

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Pac actions say it all, are you not suspicious? :-\

I'd like to think they're not that stupid, but the general reaction from Top Rank & Team Pacquiao ('he's afraid of needles', 'he has a superstition about getting his blood taken more than 24 days before a fight' etc) lead me to believe they actually are that stupid. There's still no guarantee that it's true & its probably BS, even if Atlas isn't the kind of guy to say shit he's not convinced by.

Oh & no way does Mayweather expose these emails for one reason - there's a $40m payday still lurking. If they do exist, they will only be exposed once its clear the fight will never happen. Floyd loves money too much to completely close off a big chunk of it by exposing Pacquiao if he is guilty.

I can't see this being true, I mean you'd have to be unbelievably stupid to do this kind of thing by e-mail. Atlas must be pretty confident in his sources though because with the whole court case you'd have to be pretty dumb yourself to make claims like that without being confident what you've been told is true. He covered himself quite well, but this sounds like BS to me.

Of course MP sycophants will now scream that Freddy Atlas is biased. If he had taken their idiotic position of course he would be balanced and credible.

Freddie Atlas said that sources who he trusted said they saw the emails. That means that people, in whose veracity he had absolute confidence supplied him with this information.

I surmise that GBP, because they have a stake in Manny, is probably holding down on circulating this info. When it does come out we can look forward to the even more stretching of logic and commonsense by MP sycophants.

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Of course MP sycophants will now scream that Freddy Atlas is biased. If he had taken their idiotic position of course he would be balanced and credible.

Freddie Atlas said that sources who he trusted said they saw the emails. That means that people, in whose veracity he had absolute confidence supplied him with this information.

I surmise that GBP, because they have a stake in Manny, is probably holding down on circulating this info. When it does come out we can look forward to the even more stretching of logic and commonsense by MP sycophants.

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Yeah, good ol' Freddie Atlas :-\

Video: ESPN's Teddy Atlas Exposes Manny Pacquiao? Says Manny Pacquiao Camp Asked To Have Results Of Steroids Test Kept Quiet! (Wanting To Know What Would Happen If Many Fails The Test)

just to sum up some partthen on t.

sources say that pacman's camp sent a couple emails to the mayweather camp asking what would be the penalty if he test positive, and if he does can they keep it a secret for the benefit of boxing,

i really dont want to believe that pacman is taking steroids but why they hell would they even send the emails, thats just admitting,

i think this is a false statement, atleast i hope...pp

You know what..everything now points to him being a drugs cheat whether this is true or not. Floyd was the only one willing to concede..even offering no test before 14 days of the fight which Pac again refused.

I think this shoulda been posted in the Pac/PBF section dude

The thing is, boxing is so different on the inside than the media portrays it to be. The media know nothing - Boxers and their trainers lead one life for the press and then they have their real lives.

If you get in with some well connected trainers, boxers etc you really do hear some amazing stories about some big names and you just know they are not made up.

So I know what Teddy Atlas means when he says he has complete faith in his source if he knows his source well. It may even be a friend of his. However, I do agree that the emails are farfetched. The truth probably sits somewhere in the middle.

Very interesting - Everything points to Pacquiao using.

The exact same story was given to a respected New York sports journalist before Christmas :

According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.

Floyd Mayweather's request for Manny Pacquiao to be drug tested is matter of boxing ethics

It really is hard to believe they'd put something like that in an email but I suppose stranger things have happened. If it's true then it's Golden Boy doing the leaking and giving the story to Teddy Atlas because they know he's on FNF and ESPN is a deliberate attempt to get people talking about it, to get it out into the mainstream. The way those emails would have the most impact is if they're made public as part of GBP's legal submission in reply to Manny's defamation suit. So if they do exist they're going to be made public sooner rather than later.

If this is true I hope those emails get put on the net.

This shit is like an soap opera. It's like Days of our Lives. lol

BTW, is Pac camp that stupid to ask Floyd's people through an email about this? I don't know it seems kind of far fetch, but hey it seems kind of crazy right now.

If this does turn out to be true and the emails are "leaked" then Manny could just take the tests and test positive coz the damage would already been done. As far as im concerned and most people will be, if these emails exist then its as good as testing positive. There is no way to explain those emails without lying out of your ass and it will come off as totally unrealistic anyway.

If its true then pac better turn those fists towards his managers or PR team coz they are fuckin him over at the moment. Who needs enemies when your PR team is like pacs. At the moment floyd is just sitting back watching mannys team dig their own graves.

According to generalbulldog's post about Moorer clearing his name about starting the Manny+drugs rumours he talks about how he confided in Teddy Atlas about Manny's work ethic and said Manny was clean...

So right now Teddy has one reliable source who says they have seen these emails, and on the other hand has Michael Moorer telling him Manny is 100% clean.

Y hasn't Teddy Atlas come out and spoken about his conversation with Moorer in rebuttle to the drug claims? Does he not consider Michael Moorer to be a "reliable" source or something?

Moorer still could have told someone that he believes Manny to e cheating, whos to say hes not backpeddling, knowing he can go to court?

I dont know if Teddy is tellin somethin then Moorer just clearing Pac. somethin reliable we dont know until he post a new,maybe your right it may be use in court or something.