ricky hatton to comeback as welterweight. what's jmm chances against hatton at 147?
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ricky hatton to comeback as welterweight. what's jmm chances against hatton at 147?
source? and Marquez beats him regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
it's at boxingscene. i think hatton has better chances at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralessource? and Marquez beats him regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
If that's the case then Marquez should not fight him, I don't want to see more of this catch weight nonsense. If he's going to be a WW then he should stay there and beat some proper WW's.
I think Marquez will win regardless. Hatton doesn't have anywhere near the blistering speed that Mayweather has; that was the main problem for JMM in their fight. He took most of what Floyd threw without too many problems (other than the one knockdown). On the other hand, Hatton was hurt, knocked down and knocked out by Mayweather...
Well, it was timing more than speed which allowed Floyd to keep on catching Hatton as he came in. I don't know if JMM has the timing anymore.. but it's a good fight nonetheless, but I wouldn't take it if I was JMM, especially not at welterweight.. junior welterweight maybe.
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Originally Posted by TheBranMan
Exactly.
I think if Hatton were to win this it would be as much an acheivment for his boxing as beating Tszyu, Marquez has shown he can take what the best in the world has to offer and Hatton will take more punches than Mayweather.
To be honest I see hatton getting stopped again but if he wins that would be very good for him.
He hasnt fought in a long time and didnt do many rounds in his last fight, he needs to get back with Graham, shiit or bust;D
Graham had him giving Mayweather more trouble than anyone else has up until he got sparked;D
Hatton is easier to time than most after he doesnt get his own way, he wades in all squared up expecting to out muscle others.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
He got away with Kostya doing it in a tough fight because Kostya wanted it that way too and fought that exact fight and wanted to see himself who was the man at the weight.
Unless Ricky changes which is doubtfull now, these guys we are mentioning as his opponents are going to box correctly and take him down level at a time and finish him off embarrassingly frustrated.
Hatton coming back as a WW, says to me that ghetting back down to 140 after his latest hiatus is going to be too much. He clearly perfroms better at 140, but at either weight I see Marquez making easy work of him :(
ricky hatton would be lucky to get down to heavyweight now
Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
disappointed me by saying he always wanted to fight @ MSG then fought in vegas again:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
What sort of statement is that ? Get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
His fans, or followers as you so inaptly put it, take great pride in the fact Ricky actually reached that level. To be able to follow a true British home-grown fighter to the dizzy heights of head-lining in Las Vegas is something a true fan can never be disappointed about. We can only thank the fat little fucker for giving us the amazing opportunity. Also, to lose to the two best fighters of the modern era is unfortunate, but certainly not disappointing. Hatton was hardly the favourite in either fight. His fans give him props for taking these fights, putting his unbeaten record on the line, and testing himself against the best his era had to offer. He fell short, but he gave it his all, as fans you simply cannot ask for more than that.
I also dont think Rick or his fans will have felt too disappointed with the result in his "Big Fight" with the legendary Mr Tszyu.
And rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez ? Are you kidding me ? Which version of Marquez do you think he would be up against ?
He was beaten by the 2 best P4P fighters in the world and beaten a slew of probable future HOFers and elite fighters... I find this statement to be harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
That being said, I agree with the rest of your post...
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Originally Posted by Jimmy G-ForceWhat sort of statement is that ? Get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
His fans, or followers as you so inaptly put it, take great pride in the fact Ricky actually reached that level. To be able to follow a true British home-grown fighter to the dizzy heights of head-lining in Las Vegas is something a true fan can never be disappointed about. We can only thank the fat little fucker for giving us the amazing opportunity. Also, to lose to the two best fighters of the modern era is unfortunate, but certainly not disappointing. Hatton was hardly the favourite in either fight. His fans give him props for taking these fights, putting his unbeaten record on the line, and testing himself against the best his era had to offer. He fell short, but he gave it his all, as fans you simply cannot ask for more than that.
I also dont think Rick or his fans will have felt too disappointed with the result in his "Big Fight" with the legendary Mr Tszyu.
And rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez ? Are you kidding me ? Which version of Marquez do you think he would be up against ?
Eloquently put and bang on the mark once again ;)
I went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
not really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
I don't know about that. The only fight I would say that Hatton ever "ducked" was the rematch with Collazo. I guess you could make a case for Witter, but that dead horse has been beaten for so long that it's turned into glue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37
Indeed. Hatton would have Mauled Witter and Collazo... Well, Ricky didn't want to dip his toe back into that water anytime soon. Collazo is dangerous to ANY top Welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI don't know about that. The only fight I would say that Hatton ever "ducked" was the rematch with Collazo. I guess you could make a case for Witter, but that dead horse has been beaten for so long that it's turned into glue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
...But who else did Ricky "duck"?
Hatton has had a very good career and there is no shame in the Mayweather loss, but I must admit that I was dissapointed with the Pacquiao performance. Hatton was floored twice and battered unconcious in the second. He fought an awful fight and was shown up from the off. It was a downright peculiar showing and very frustrating.
Having said that, I think a Hatton with his head screwed on right can beat Marquez. Marquez doesn't belong anywhere north of 135.
So he ducks big names at 140lbs, but yet fights Mayweather and Manny ? Yeah right, that makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37
Are you really being serious? Ducked? You don't fight Urango, Tszyu, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather unless you are the shittest ducker of all days!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37
Exactly. You can accuse a lot of people of ducking but to blame Hatton for it as well? That is a load of old codswallop.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelAre you really being serious? Ducked? You don't fight Urango, Tszyu, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather unless you are the shittest ducker of all days!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Hatton might be many things, but a ducker he ain't.
A ducker, no.. but he did have an inflated record. IMO Urango was his most impressive fight as Urango didn't have the technical skills to deal with Hatton's style. A dirty victory over an old Tszyu means little to me, and the fact that you have to mention Collazo on his list of big fights (a fight that he was undeniably hurt in and arguably lost), just shows that he was never in that top echelon of fighters. A very likable, popular fighter, but by no means one of the best. Cotto would beat him him now and would've killed him when they were both undefeated. No question in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly. You can accuse a lot of people of ducking but to blame Hatton for it as well? That is a load of old codswallop.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelAre you really being serious? Ducked? You don't fight Urango, Tszyu, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather unless you are the shittest ducker of all days!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Hatton might be many things, but a ducker he ain't.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI went to both his defeats in vegas he never let me down,i was gutted he lost but that is boxing at the end of the day! he let himself down by lossing his head and fighting like he did.But at least he wanted the biggest fights out there and wasnt afraid of fighting them even if he did get beat he fought the very best!Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37
Kudo's to you, i guess ya got what ya wanted, a reaction :rolleyes:
Foolish comment from a Hatton hater FACT !
Kostya was the pinnacle for Ricky as we know. I think he got handled well considering who he fought to get KT and KT fans interested (who Kostya listened too and liked to please). When Ricky re fought Phillips for Tszyu (who wouldnt) then followed his footsteps onto Oktte Urkal another real tough boy, you could see they were paying their dues and their aim.I think they did great getting where they did the way they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy G-ForceWhat sort of statement is that ? Get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37Marquez is too fast for Hatton in my opinion. Ricky has disappointed his followers (not to mention himself) in his big fights. No reason here to believe he could rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
His fans, or followers as you so inaptly put it, take great pride in the fact Ricky actually reached that level. To be able to follow a true British home-grown fighter to the dizzy heights of head-lining in Las Vegas is something a true fan can never be disappointed about. We can only thank the fat little fucker for giving us the amazing opportunity. Also, to lose to the two best fighters of the modern era is unfortunate, but certainly not disappointing. Hatton was hardly the favourite in either fight. His fans give him props for taking these fights, putting his unbeaten record on the line, and testing himself against the best his era had to offer. He fell short, but he gave it his all, as fans you simply cannot ask for more than that.
I also dont think Rick or his fans will have felt too disappointed with the result in his "Big Fight" with the legendary Mr Tszyu.
And rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez ? Are you kidding me ? Which version of Marquez do you think he would be up against ?
You really think he can relearn at this stage to not to be a fighter first and to out box Marquez?
Even a declining Marquez will outbox him Im sure of it. Its a hell of a big call for a come back fight.
Agreed on the first point. There was too much dross under Warren, but since then I think he has fought a fair few credible opponents. Hatton has done alright and I think he is getting a lot of stick because he has lost 2 of his last 4. He has fallen short of being amongst the very best, but he is still a very good fighter and on his best day would give almost anyone a good fight. The Pac fight just took the piss, Hatton isn't quite that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBranManA ducker, no.. but he did have an inflated record. IMO Urango was his most impressive fight as Urango didn't have the technical skills to deal with Hatton's style. A dirty victory over an old Tszyu means little to me, and the fact that you have to mention Collazo on his list of big fights (a fight that he was undeniably hurt in and arguably lost), just shows that he was never in that top echelon of fighters. A very likable, popular fighter, but by no means one of the best. Cotto would beat him him now and would've killed him when they were both undefeated. No question in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly. You can accuse a lot of people of ducking but to blame Hatton for it as well? That is a load of old codswallop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Hatton might be many things, but a ducker he ain't.
I'm not so sure. Hatton is still pretty quick and he will be mauling Marquez in a way that Marquez just isn't used to. Marquez won't be given the time to pick his spots. A lot of quick combinations followed by spells of grappling and mauling. Marquez struggled to get through Diaz and Hatton is better than Diaz by a fair margin and at the higher weight I see Marquez being at a serious disadvantage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marquez being stopped and Hatton thinking it okay to continue for another fight or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreKostya was the pinnacle for Ricky as we know. I think he got handled well considering who he fought to get KT and KT fans interested (who Kostya listened too and liked to please). When Ricky re fought Phillips for Tszyu (who wouldnt) then followed his footsteps onto Oktte Urkal another real tough boy, you could see they were paying their dues and their aim.I think they did great getting where they did the way they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy G-ForceWhat sort of statement is that ? Get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37
His fans, or followers as you so inaptly put it, take great pride in the fact Ricky actually reached that level. To be able to follow a true British home-grown fighter to the dizzy heights of head-lining in Las Vegas is something a true fan can never be disappointed about. We can only thank the fat little fucker for giving us the amazing opportunity. Also, to lose to the two best fighters of the modern era is unfortunate, but certainly not disappointing. Hatton was hardly the favourite in either fight. His fans give him props for taking these fights, putting his unbeaten record on the line, and testing himself against the best his era had to offer. He fell short, but he gave it his all, as fans you simply cannot ask for more than that.
I also dont think Rick or his fans will have felt too disappointed with the result in his "Big Fight" with the legendary Mr Tszyu.
And rise up and beat a fighter like Marquez ? Are you kidding me ? Which version of Marquez do you think he would be up against ?
You really think he can relearn at this stage to not to be a fighter first and to out box Marquez?
Even a declining Marquez will outbox him Im sure of it. Its a hell of a big call for a come back fight.
Of course, I might be completely wrong and maybe Hatton has walked into something he just can't handle anymore. But if he has his head screwed on, I believe he can beat Marquez.
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Originally Posted by KelAre you really being serious? Ducked? You don't fight Urango, Tszyu, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather unless you are the shittest ducker of all days!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, he ducked plenty of big names at 140 and that much more at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Hatton has never ducked a single fight or fighter in his whole career hence the reason why so many people still have so much time for him.
If manny pacquiao came a calling tommorow morning ricky would have no beef with getting back in the ring with the very man who sent him to lala land last march.
Even in the days with warren when pretty much every big name american fighter was ducking him pre-tszyu he was bringing over the finest non-us competition and making them look ridiculously average.
Ricky deserves this one last hurrah for him to go out on a high, his fans deserve the chance to say goodbye to ricky and remember him as the no nonsense ring warrior who gave it his absoloute all and had bollocks the size of grapefruits.
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Originally Posted by milesI'm not so sure. Hatton is still pretty quick and he will be mauling Marquez in a way that Marquez just isn't used to. Marquez won't be given the time to pick his spots. A lot of quick combinations followed by spells of grappling and mauling. Marquez struggled to get through Diaz and Hatton is better than Diaz by a fair margin and at the higher weight I see Marquez being at a serious disadvantage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marquez being stopped and Hatton thinking it okay to continue for another fight or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreKostya was the pinnacle for Ricky as we know. I think he got handled well considering who he fought to get KT and KT fans interested (who Kostya listened too and liked to please). When Ricky re fought Phillips for Tszyu (who wouldnt) then followed his footsteps onto Oktte Urkal another real tough boy, you could see they were paying their dues and their aim.I think they did great getting where they did the way they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy G-Force
You really think he can relearn at this stage to not to be a fighter first and to out box Marquez?
Even a declining Marquez will outbox him Im sure of it. Its a hell of a big call for a come back fight.
Of course, I might be completely wrong and maybe Hatton has walked into something he just can't handle anymore. But if he has his head screwed on, I believe he can beat Marquez.
I believe Haton is still quick and has the skills to do well, and beat JMM. Take a look at the Paulie M fight, against a slickster with quick hands and good movement, he didnt really get a noteable punch landed on him. Granted Paulie is featherfisted, but he could of made Hatton look slow lumberous and laboured. He didnt, Rick out-slicked him and used his boxing brain to defeat him. No reason to think IF his head is on he cannot do that again.
I'd be surprised if he did fight again at 147 as i dont think hes anywhere near as effective as he is at 140. Having said that, hes got some junk to lose but he should go the whole way down to 140 if hes fighting again IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by zboltit's at boxingscene. i think hatton has better chances at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralessource? and Marquez beats him regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by zbolt
I wouldnt be surprissed if Hatton stopped Marquez in 4 but the longer it goes the advantage leans towards Marquez imo.
Marquez is too small for Hatton. I agree on the early stoppage. It might be a bit like Castillo. Everyone is saying that he can't stop him and then he does. Of course, he is shot after that. Marquez, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
As much as i like him as a person and fighter, i cringe at the thought of what could happen to him. He has one one the biggest hearts out there, but his sharpness and ability to dodge punches has weakened. He will make the weight no problem, because he is a determined and disciplined trainer. Anybody have any idea who could be training him? He's bound to get a new team in after blaming the pac defeat on his training camp.
147 is too big for him. Billy Graham said as much after the Mayweather fight and I'm sure Ricky said the same thing at a later date too. But if the rumours were right and he struggled to make the weight for his last fight then he'd be weight drained if he still had to make 140 especially at 30 after blowing up again. He really shouldn't bother coming back. I can see him walking into JMM counters all night long. JMM isn't the fighter he was and looked rubbish at 147 last time but Hatton isn't Mayweather, JMM would hardly be able to miss.
I would have thought he will stick with Lee Beard bud, not heard anything to suggest any new trainers coming in, but as always, watch this space ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by magee