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If this is true. Floyd and Pac's last and future opponent would look like this.
Floyd :
Last fight : Juan Manuel Marquez @144 (Previous fight was 135)
upcoming : Nate Campbell @??? (Previous fight was 140)
Pac :
Last fight : Miguel Cotto @145 (Previous fight was 147)
upcoming : Joshua Clottey (Previous fight was 147)
Now tell me how do you rate floyd and pac's opponents.
Mayweather could probably fight bigger guys too, if he was on as many PED's as Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Pac ran from Floyd so what does that tell you?
hahahahahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleMayweather could probably fight bigger guys too, if he was on as many PED's as Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Pac ran from Floyd so what does that tell you?
Pactards : FACTS
Floyd Fans : IMAGINATION
Am i getting no chalenge here? cmon now to the real Floyd fans stand up and defend your fighter.
Ok explain why Pac wont fight Marquez again? Explain why Pac didnt fight Dela Hoya at 154? Explain why pac made cotto come down in weight? So mayweather is making guys bulk up and pac is making guys weight drained. At least its possible to put on weight and have high energy levels even if you arent meant for the weight where as dropping weight means if your body cant do it then it will just lose fluid.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langhahahahahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleMayweather could probably fight bigger guys too, if he was on as many PED's as Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Pac ran from Floyd so what does that tell you?
Pactards : FACTS
Floyd Fans : IMAGINATION
Am i getting no chalenge here? cmon now to the real Floyd fans stand up and defend your fighter.
Floyd won't fight Nate Campbell. I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain will be able to tell that this thread is just a pathetic attempt to distract from the fact that Pacneedle RAN TAIL UP when he was threatened with (get ready for this)... conclusive testing. :lickish::rolleyes:
Pactards will defend their hero until the bitter end. I don't expect any of my posts to change their minds. I admire their loyalty, but feel sorry for their lack of any sense of reality.
I'll do that. since you want to do the questioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovebruceleeOk explain why Pac wont fight Marquez again? Explain why Pac didnt fight Dela Hoya at 154? Explain why pac made cotto come down in weight? So mayweather is making guys bulk up and pac is making guys weight drained. At least its possible to put on weight and have high energy levels even if you arent meant for the weight where as dropping weight means if your body cant do it then it will just lose fluid.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langhahahahahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Pactards : FACTS
Floyd Fans : IMAGINATION
Am i getting no chalenge here? cmon now to the real Floyd fans stand up and defend your fighter.
Ok explain why Pac wont fight Marquez again? After Diaz Pac fought DLH, Hatton and Cotto. Those 3 names answers your question
Explain why Pac didnt fight Dela Hoya at 154? DLH will fight at 147 no matter what. The Forbes fight should be at 147. Pac just grab the slot. He didnt demand it. DLH's plan was to fight at 147 all along
Explain why pac made cotto come down in weight? Pac had 1 fight @135 and just 2 fights above 140 wherein he weights 142 and 138. He's actually untested at 147 againts a Cotto because of size. Clottey fight is at 147
so you think Floyd has the better competition?
You can keep hugging pac's nutts all you want.. the underlining fact remains that he RAN like a little girl school from the very prospect of fighting Floyd.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBranMan
Pls review the thread or any of my post that supports your claim. I read what you post and decide from there. You're imagining things too much. You support your hero i support mine. Just post some facts and defend your claim.
I repeat. No imaginations pls. Opinions are fine just provide some facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
e.g
Opinion : Floyd is the Greatest superfeatherweight
backup: He beat Genaro blah blah with blah blah
cmon we can do this...
Where did I post ANY imaginations? it's a fact.. you are defending Pacquiao, and rubbishing anything anyone has to say about Floyd, sounds like grade A nut hugging to me. You say you want facts, yet you base this thread off a RUMOUR that Floyd is fighting Nate Campbell.. wouldnt it make more sense to wait for a official announcement rather than make assumptions?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
But again, assumptions seem to be what the majority of nuthuggers base their arguements off.
Lets assume PBF is fighting Nate Campbell for the threads sake.... Humor me..
The reason Manny is fighting 147 lb fighters is because that is where the big fights are at right now... You won't see him hit anything under 140lb ever again IMO. It would be logical to think ROACH wants his opponents to come down a bit to try and level the playing field "size" wise because pac is only 5'6'... By getting his opponents to come down in weight is the best way to allow Pacs power to penetrate and hurt the already larger frame. Do i necessarily agree with the catchweights and the demands to have his opponents come down, NO - However, if they want PAC and the payday..Well, lose some weight...
I do think the Clotty fight is at 147 though.. So the argument is moot.
Mayweather on the otherhand is forcing his opponents to come up in weight...
WHY YOU ASK???
Its all about speed. PBF knows his opponents won't be able to carry their speed up to 147, and that is PBF's greatest asset. IE. why he doesn't want to fight PAC. You can say all day PAC is scared, but PBF knew his steriod tactics were going to ruin this fight. In addition to that, PBF won't be asking anyone else to take blood tests.. If he didn't ask PAC to take this tests just like everyone else WON"T ask Pac to take these tests, then the fight would still be happening.
:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
i'm pretty sure Pacquiao knew that the $10 million per lb clause would have put a fight against Floyd "MONEY" Mayweather at risk, difference is Mayweather manned up and accepted, Pacquiao on the other hand took the bitches way out and left with his tail between his legsQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
You want FACTS? Here you go...Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWould Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.
Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.
You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.
Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratEagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWould Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.
Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.
You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.
You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.
Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratEagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.
Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.
You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.
You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.
He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.
Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratEagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.
He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.
Wow, you got really bent out of shape here... Even took the time to neg rep me...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
First off, the 10MIL demand is not nearly as a big deal as you think... Floyd knows he can make 147 EASY.. It was not set at 144 like JMM and PBF agreed too. So that point is sooo stupid get over it... Now the 8 oz gloves, if PBF "REALLY" didn't want 8 oz gloves he wouldn't have agreed to them... You act like Floyd has bent over backwards, NO dumbass! He has given in to things that are NOT a problem for him... The Pac CAMP does not agree to PBF's terms for bloodtesting because they can't stand PBF period. Whether I think Manny is innocent or not doesn't matter.. Also, whether or not i think PBF didn't want the fight in the first place shouldn't piss you off... There are plenty of analysts and experts that support both sides. Quit being such of f-ing baby!
Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleOh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratEagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.
So you would rather criticise a guy who you dont think fights tough enough opponents, than a guy who blatantly ducks a random drug test? Weird logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratPac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleOh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Please that is probably the most stupid comment i've ever heard. You honestly think Bob Arum is gonna let go the millions this fight would make him cos he dont like someone? All the more reason to fight him. Why would they spend loads of money starting negotiations if they didnt want the fight? Why use the drug test as the way out and leave Mannys name tarnished forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Wow, you got really bent out of shape here... Even took the time to neg rep me...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
First off, the 10MIL demand is not nearly as a big deal as you think... Floyd knows he can make 147 EASY.. It was not set at 144 like JMM and PBF agreed too. So that point is sooo stupid get over it... Now the 8 oz gloves, if PBF "REALLY" didn't want 8 oz gloves he wouldn't have agreed to them... You act like Floyd has bent over backwards, NO dumbass! He has given in to things that are NOT a problem for him... The Pac CAMP does not agree to PBF's terms for bloodtesting because they can't stand PBF period. Whether I think Manny is innocent or not doesn't matter.. Also, whether or not i think PBF didn't want the fight in the first place shouldn't piss you off... There are plenty of analysts and experts that support both sides. Quit being such of f-ing baby!
The only reason someone gives up a $40,000,000 payday for a blood test is cos they have something to hide.
You say its easy for Floyd to make 147, well its even easier to take a blood test for fucksake! Deluded.
How about we criticize both? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleSo you would rather criticise a guy who you dont think fights tough enough opponents, than a guy who blatantly ducks a random drug test? Weird logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratPac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I was criticizing Mayweather for his poor choice of opponents before the fiasco with Pacquiao and it looks like nothing has changed. Why won't he fight the fight everyone wants (Mosley) and show up Pacquiao at the same time? I don't see how there is any real choice here. What is Mayweather waiting for? He already took a warm-up fight.
The criticism on Pacquiao is not that he isn't fighting top quality welterweights. It is that he didn't take a test to make the biggest fight in boxing in the last twenty years happen. Shame on him for that. Until proven otherwise, I don't believe Pacquiao took performance enhancing drugs, but that is not to say I won't be proven otherwise. Pacquiao was and is not my favorite fighter although I am a fan.
Actually, Bob Arum will make millions regardless... He won't give PBF anything whatsoever. He will make more than enough with the Pac vs Clotty fight because guess what? both fighters are his and he won't have to split a dime of it... Come on man, you know Arum is one crafty SOB... Personally i hate him, but just like every PBF fans says..> "its business"Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePlease that is probably the most stupid comment i've ever heard. You honestly think Bob Arum is gonna let go the millions this fight would make him cos he dont like someone? All the more reason to fight him. Why would they spend loads of money starting negotiations if they didnt want the fight? Why use the drug test as the way out and leave Mannys name tarnished forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Wow, you got really bent out of shape here... Even took the time to neg rep me...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
First off, the 10MIL demand is not nearly as a big deal as you think... Floyd knows he can make 147 EASY.. It was not set at 144 like JMM and PBF agreed too. So that point is sooo stupid get over it... Now the 8 oz gloves, if PBF "REALLY" didn't want 8 oz gloves he wouldn't have agreed to them... You act like Floyd has bent over backwards, NO dumbass! He has given in to things that are NOT a problem for him... The Pac CAMP does not agree to PBF's terms for bloodtesting because they can't stand PBF period. Whether I think Manny is innocent or not doesn't matter.. Also, whether or not i think PBF didn't want the fight in the first place shouldn't piss you off... There are plenty of analysts and experts that support both sides. Quit being such of f-ing baby!
The only reason someone gives up a $40,000,000 payday for a blood test is cos they have something to hide.
You say its easy for Floyd to make 147, well its even easier to take a blood test for fucksake! Deluded.
hahah... I love how you think Manny & Co. is giving up 40mil over a blood test... He will make the same if not more within the next few fights...
I never said it wasn't easy to take a blood test. I'm not on steroids but i wouldn't take it if my opponent was making BS accusations.. If it wasn't the Floyd camp bringing up the Steroid BS, and the blood tests ended up being a part of rules in boxing. I would totally agree with you on why the Pac camp was choosing not to take the tests...
I'll say that again just in case you missed it... If it was a part of the rules in boxing for random blood testing and PAC said "no"... I would be quite pissed right along side you...
But it seems to me, you are more mad about the fight not happening that you are willing to beat up the fighters instead of the game. The game is at fault here...
Its not that big of a deal bro... MAN WE REALLY WENT OFF TOPIC HERE... SORRY TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD!!!
This is the same ole tiring argument... I say we stop...It's pointless
Eagle, first I am not a Pacquiao groupie and definitely not a Mayweather groupie, but can you answer why Pacquiao wouldn't just stop taking drugs for this fight, pass the test, and make the $40M?Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePlease that is probably the most stupid comment i've ever heard. You honestly think Bob Arum is gonna let go the millions this fight would make him cos he dont like someone? All the more reason to fight him. Why would they spend loads of money starting negotiations if they didnt want the fight? Why use the drug test as the way out and leave Mannys name tarnished forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Wow, you got really bent out of shape here... Even took the time to neg rep me...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
First off, the 10MIL demand is not nearly as a big deal as you think... Floyd knows he can make 147 EASY.. It was not set at 144 like JMM and PBF agreed too. So that point is sooo stupid get over it... Now the 8 oz gloves, if PBF "REALLY" didn't want 8 oz gloves he wouldn't have agreed to them... You act like Floyd has bent over backwards, NO dumbass! He has given in to things that are NOT a problem for him... The Pac CAMP does not agree to PBF's terms for bloodtesting because they can't stand PBF period. Whether I think Manny is innocent or not doesn't matter.. Also, whether or not i think PBF didn't want the fight in the first place shouldn't piss you off... There are plenty of analysts and experts that support both sides. Quit being such of f-ing baby!
The only reason someone gives up a $40,000,000 payday for a blood test is cos they have something to hide.
You say its easy for Floyd to make 147, well its even easier to take a blood test for fucksake! Deluded.
Because he has backed himself into a corner and acted so suspiciously that unless he tests clean and wins/looks damn impressive people will still accuse him of doping in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratEagle, first I am not a Pacquiao groupie and definitely not a Mayweather groupie, but can you answer why Pacquiao wouldn't just stop taking drugs for this fight, pass the test, and make the $40M?Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePlease that is probably the most stupid comment i've ever heard. You honestly think Bob Arum is gonna let go the millions this fight would make him cos he dont like someone? All the more reason to fight him. Why would they spend loads of money starting negotiations if they didnt want the fight? Why use the drug test as the way out and leave Mannys name tarnished forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
The only reason someone gives up a $40,000,000 payday for a blood test is cos they have something to hide.
You say its easy for Floyd to make 147, well its even easier to take a blood test for fucksake! Deluded.
A subpar performance would destroy his legacy and damage his future moneymaking ability.
Well why, if they never wanted to fight Floyd anyway, would they spend money on negotiations, then pull out due to a reason that tarnishes Mannys legacy? It makes no sense. Why would they throw away 40million and take much less to fight a guy who could very well beat Manny. What happens if Clottey wins next fight? Manny will never have as big a payday again. Use logic please.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Actually, Bob Arum will make millions regardless... He won't give PBF anything whatsoever. He will make more than enough with the Pac vs Clotty fight because guess what? both fighters are his and he won't have to split a dime of it... Come on man, you know Arum is one crafty SOB... Personally i hate him, but just like every PBF fans says..> "its business"Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePlease that is probably the most stupid comment i've ever heard. You honestly think Bob Arum is gonna let go the millions this fight would make him cos he dont like someone? All the more reason to fight him. Why would they spend loads of money starting negotiations if they didnt want the fight? Why use the drug test as the way out and leave Mannys name tarnished forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
The only reason someone gives up a $40,000,000 payday for a blood test is cos they have something to hide.
You say its easy for Floyd to make 147, well its even easier to take a blood test for fucksake! Deluded.
hahah... I love how you think Manny & Co. is giving up 40mil over a blood test... He will make the same if not more within the next few fights...
I never said it wasn't easy to take a blood test. I'm not on steroids but i wouldn't take it if my opponent was making BS accusations.. If it wasn't the Floyd camp bringing up the Steroid BS, and the blood tests ended up being a part of rules in boxing. I would totally agree with you on why the Pac camp was choosing not to take the tests...
I'll say that again just in case you missed it... If it was a part of the rules in boxing for random blood testing and PAC said "no"... I would be quite pissed right along side you...
But it seems to me, you are more mad about the fight not happening that you are willing to beat up the fighters instead of the game. The game is at fault here...
Its not that big of a deal bro... MAN WE REALLY WENT OFF TOPIC HERE... SORRY TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD!!!
This is the same ole tiring argument... I say we stop...It's pointless
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Originally Posted by JoeyUKWhere did I post ANY imaginations? it's a fact.. you are defending Pacquiao, and rubbishing anything anyone has to say about Floyd, sounds like grade A nut hugging to me. You say you want facts, yet you base this thread off a RUMOUR that Floyd is fighting Nate Campbell.. wouldnt it make more sense to wait for a official announcement rather than make assumptions?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
But again, assumptions seem to be what the majority of nuthuggers base their arguements off.
Imagination ==> "I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain will be able to tell that this thread is just a pathetic attempt to distract from the fact that Pacneedle RAN TAIL UP"
the title says " Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell? " see the question mark. and then in the 1st post
If this is true. Floyd and Pac's last and future opponent would look like
this.
Bro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONYou want FACTS? Here you go...Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
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Originally Posted by miron_langBro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONYou want FACTS? Here you go...Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
I see that's the way you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_langBro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Poster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langI see that's the way you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Yes exactly, he wanted a clean opponent, Manny chose to run away because he couldnt cheat again.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
I think we should all point our fingers at anyone still defending a boxer that wants to cheat and laugh heartily:LOLATYOU:
Poster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesPoster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langI see that's the way you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
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Originally Posted by miron_langPoster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesPoster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
In addition to that...
Pac's previous "off-balance-care-free" style allowed him to get caught with punches he did not see. However, with Cotto he put himself in a defensive state seeing everything that came in.. None of them hit him on the button besides the jabs... Last time i checked pac has never been wobbled by a jab...if any fight at that...
I don't know what is more sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYes exactly, he wanted a clean opponent, Manny chose to run away because he couldnt cheat again.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
I think we should all point our fingers at anyone still defending a boxer that wants to cheat and laugh heartily:LOLATYOU:
1. People with the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality.
2. Or the fact that there are plenty of unbiased commentators viewing and speculating both sides of the spectrum, but yet you are so convinced of guilt and that Pac is a cheat...
I pray you never hit a jury pool...
Pacquiao never had probs making 130, and even at 130 he was the bigger guy against Larios who was coming off a loss against Vazquez, two divisions southQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_langPoster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesPoster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
and yea he was rocked plenty of times against all three
he walks around at 150 to 154 lbs? so what's the point of his bullshit demands for catchweights? why bring Cotto down to 145?, especially when you say he's best at 140-147
IMO Cotto is technically superior to Larios, has better composure than Morales, and is stronger than Marquez
everything isn't so black and white when it comes to Pacquiao, especially with the PED issue now, his entire career is basically grey, meaning no one really knows if he did accomplished anything or if it's all thanks to steroids
oh and the Pacquiao that Larios fought was already the "new and improved" Pacquiao, as you nuthuggers fans like to call him :rolleyes:
Larios Fought at 130 ahead of manny Pacquiao. Both of them were 122 at the same time for a long period. Yes he just lost to Izzy but with regards to size. Larios looked even bigger than Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
besides having a better defense now. The fact is he handled himself and went on to win regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Just over a year before. Miguel Cotto is fighting in a division 3 levels north. And is actually the bigger man wherever you look at it. Pac was 142 and 138 in his last 2 fights. Cotto was 147 and 146. 145 actually is favorable to Cotto if you look at it from a neutral perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I agree. But the pacquio that fought the Featherweights doesnt have the Laser accurate right hook. Improved footwork and needs to squeeze to 130 a day before the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I agree somewhat. But he's no different than Muhammad Ali, SRR, SRL, Duran, Armstrong etc, etc we will never know if these legends cheated or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I dont think i ever said that. He's still a bit green prior to 135. The Diaz fight is the start of Pac's technical prime IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales