Is Mayweather ruining the sport of boxing?

I think I can easily recall a few fighters who would name a few opponents from time to time who they wanted to fight. This is ordinary practice UNTIL YOU ARE ONTOP OF THE DIVISION!

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

Demanding blood tests from every fighter now??

And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go.
But IF (big IF) it does.. Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse? I mean this is NOT WWF wrestling. The winner is To Be Determined for God's sake.

The fact that we do not have a Mayweather V Pacquaio fight happening in the forseeable future has soured my interest this year. I was convinced we would see two fights this year with a rematch a certainty, Mayweather can go and F*** himself! Boxing is slipping real fast, it is very disappointing.

Mayweather has the right to ask for whatever he wants, as does any other fighter in the sport. If he is to be opposite another man in the ring, he has every right to make sure that guy is 100% clean as not to risk any serious injury. If the opponent has a problem with taking these tests, so be it. But Mayweather is certainly not out of line asking for them from all his opponents. Mosley has already said he would submit to such testing, so there should be no problem there.

Mayweather also gets the lion's share because he is simply the bigger draw at this moment. If the fight were to happen back when Mayweather first called out Mosley in 99, Mosley would've rightfully gotten the lion's share. Again, it seems Mosley has acknowledged Mayweather is the bigger draw and has no problem with taking the smaller share to make it happen.

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Mayweather can go and F*** himself!

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Once again, Pacquiao comes out smelling of roses. :rolleyes:

As long as the Networks sign the checks and people pay out the money for a Marquez "name" event as oposed to division top rivals,it'll continue.And not just with Mayweather.We're suckers for this crap.This sport does not revolve around one man.

I think an argument could be made that Pac is doing it as much damage as PBF. He continuosly gets fighters to come down in weight to fight at catchweight insead of taking them on at their natural weight, including winning a 147 belt fighting at 145. He then knocks back the biggest fight in memory due to a few simple blood tests and costs the fans the fight. His actions dent the reputation of the sport because it seems the number 1 fighter in the game is a drug taker. Not good.

Mayweather isnt helping may i add, but i think its drawing a long bow to say that he alone is ruining boxing by himself.

I don't see how you can comment too much about it till we see if the Mosley fight goes through. If it does I don't see what there's to complain about unless complaining is just a personal hobby, its the best fight out there outside of Mayweather-Pacquaio and while I don't like how Mayweather and some of his people handled some of the negotiations I don't see how the lions share of the blame would fall on Mayweather for that fight falling apart, I just don't and I'm no Mayweather fan.

As for calling out those guys, he was thinking of a fight to replace the Pacquaio ones, there were no great options out there after Clottey agreed to fight Pacquaio, now that Mosley has fallen in his lap it appears that that's the direction they're going in. What is there to complain about with that?

Except for who gets the larger purse? Seriously, I don't get it. Why first of all would you care? I doubt you're getting a cut and it isn't like Shane's going bankrupt. Second, its just the way of the world, Floyd is the bigger draw and the higher ranked PFP guy, the bigger draw is going to get the bigger purse, its just the way it is. There are so many better things to complain about then Mayweather getting the majority of the purse (dodgy decisions, Zahir Raheem being allowed to wear that crown to the ring, etc.)

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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Originally Posted by zbolt

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Originally Posted by zbolt

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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understand what i stated. did that demand made the fight to fall apart? the weight penalty is not an addition to the rules, it's normal in most fight contracts tho i agree the penalty amount is exuberant and that is to really prevent floyd from messing with the weigh-in weight again. floyd is a proven weigh-in weight rule breaker

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by zbolt

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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understand what i stated. did that demand made the fight to fall apart? the weight penalty is not an addition to the rules, it's normal in most fight contracts tho i agree the penalty amount is exuberant and that is to really prevent floyd from messing with the weigh-in weight again. floyd is a proven weigh-in weight rule breaker

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so you admit that the fight fell apart because Pacquiao refused to take a perfectly logical drug test?!?

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Originally Posted by eagle

HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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understand what i stated. did that demand made the fight to fall apart? the weight penalty is not an addition to the rules, it's normal in most fight contracts tho i agree the penalty amount is exuberant and that is to really prevent floyd from messing with the weigh-in weight again. floyd is a proven weigh-in weight rule breaker

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so you admit that the fight fell apart because Pacquiao refused to take a perfectly logical drug test?!?

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partly yes but the root cause is floyd's additional rules demand over and above the existing normal boxing commission rules

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understand what i stated. did that demand made the fight to fall apart? the weight penalty is not an addition to the rules, it's normal in most fight contracts tho i agree the penalty amount is exuberant and that is to really prevent floyd from messing with the weigh-in weight again. floyd is a proven weigh-in weight rule breaker

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so you admit that the fight fell apart because Pacquiao refused to take a perfectly logical drug test?!?

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partly yes but the root cause is floyd's additional rules demand over and above the existing normal boxing commission rules

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Partly? You gotta remember PBF agreed to Pacs demands, Pac didnt agree to Floyds. Pac walked away and organised another fight first. $10,000,000 per pound is an addition to the normal rules, so Pac was first to play that game. You could easily argue that if he didnt make that ridiculous demand Floyd wouldnt have demanded the drug tests in reply.

Look mayweather can only do to boxing what "us" the fans allow him to do. It amazes me how much people bitch and cry about the guy yet every fight he's involved winds up being huge. Floyd sucks ??? Then why does pac want to fight him. Why does shane want to fight him. Why is everyone so butt hurt this last fight got canceled. Floyd is just a punk anyway right...who wants to see that. There are so many fighters out there yet the nutz of floyd get ridden by the people that hate him more than any of his own fans. Don't like the guy ?? Quit buying the fights. Quit posting every little think he says or is said about him. He's so hated yet he had his own section here for one of his fights. You all dump money in his pockets beliveing any of these people will beat him and since they won't and can't now everyone hates him.??? If he 's ruining boxing then stop calling on him to save it. The man was retired and he was all people talked about while he was gone. And people still blame him. Freakin amazing !!!!! Switch sides, if pac accused floyd of roids and then floyd gave the same bs excuses pac and his team have, people would put kleenex out of buisness with all the damn crying. Floyd no matter how stupid it is to want to ensure a fair fight was willing to go through the same procedures pac would. Only one person said no. Basically pac didn't want to jump a few hoops for the biggest baddest most lucrative fight of recent history, because of needles ?? Shit how much did they pay him to take needles for those cheap tatts ??? Or did he pay for them ? But yea it's all floyds fault. Not for this fight, but all of boxing. Wow. I almost guarantee one of you could find a way to blame floyd for aids, katrina, and hati if given enough time too.

He ain't doing boxing any fucking favours, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I think I can easily recall a few fighters who would name a few opponents from time to time who they wanted to fight. This is ordinary practice UNTIL YOU ARE ONTOP OF THE DIVISION!

Most fighters call out other fighters, not sure of your point here, the alternative is "my people take care of that". That's pretty much it for options.

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

Team Mayweather has publically said nothing about any of those guys, that was all internet rumor, although for the record Alvarez is a welterweight.

Demanding blood tests from every fighter now??

God forbid we start enforcing stricter drug screens, to actually catch people that use PEDs. Current testing has been proven to be ineffective case in point Mosley................

And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go.
But IF (big IF) it does.. Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse? I mean this is NOT WWF wrestling. The winner is To Be Determined for God's sake.

I have yet to see a fight where the "winner takes more money" I know RJJ has proposed it for fights before, but to my knowledge it's never actually happened. This is common practice not something exclusive to Mayweather negotiations. There have been no sticking point in the Mayweather/Mosley negotiation, nor do I expect there to be. They both want to get paid, they will both get paid the most by fighting each other (now that Pac has elected to fight Clottey instead)

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I agree I'm going to stop watching boxing because the sport is deficient because of his practices, and solely his practices :rolleyes:

Is Mayweather a diva, yes he is, as is Pac, as is every fighter that has leverage in the negotiation games.

I don't understand the argument that the NSAC drug screen rules, blah, blah, blah. The NSAC drug screen is the minimum required to legally fight in the state of Nevada, the NSAC has a drug policy that's open ended and allows for private contracts (including boxing contracts) to EXPAND on drug screens, to make them more comprehensive and check for things that urine tests may not catch.

...floyd's ruining boxing. (I'm sorry, i'm still laughing)

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I think I can easily recall a few fighters who would name a few opponents from time to time who they wanted to fight. This is ordinary practice UNTIL YOU ARE ONTOP OF THE DIVISION!

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

Demanding blood tests from every fighter now??

And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go.
But IF (big IF) it does.. Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse? I mean this is NOT WWF wrestling. The winner is To Be Determined for God's sake.

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Floyd is doing what Floyd has to do for himself. He has to look out for numero uno. This is a very dirty business and you have to be on your toes or you will get took before you can look to see who was that crook ;D

Floyd is not ruining the sport of boxing, he is actually doing something right about shedding some light on the doping issue and it seems to be a little more prevalent than some of us would like to admit.

What is really hurting the sport to this very day, are the incompetent judges and the plethora of governing sanctioning bodies therein.

Floyd is smart, a lot smarter than most will give him credit for. I did not say he was wise in all of his ways but he did not just fall off a turnip truck either.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I think I can easily recall a few fighters who would name a few opponents from time to time who they wanted to fight. This is ordinary practice UNTIL YOU ARE ONTOP OF THE DIVISION!

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

Demanding blood tests from every fighter now??

And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go.
But IF (big IF) it does.. Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse? I mean this is NOT WWF wrestling. The winner is To Be Determined for God's sake.

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Floyd is doing what Floyd has to do for himself. He has to look out for numero uno. This is a very dirty business and you have to be on your toes or you will get took before you can look to see who was that crook ;D

Floyd is not ruining the sport of boxing, he is actually doing something right about shedding some light on the doping issue and it seems to be a little more prevalent than some of us would like to admit.

What is really hurting the sport to this very day, are the incompetent judges and the plethora of governing sanctioning bodies therein.
AMEN

Floyd is smart, a lot smarter than most will give him credit for. I did not say he was wise in all of his ways but he did not just fall off a turnip truck either.

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Who are you and what have you done with Danny?

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by zbolt

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so you admit that the fight fell apart because Pacquiao refused to take a perfectly logical drug test?!?

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partly yes but the root cause is floyd's additional rules demand over and above the existing normal boxing commission rules

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Partly? You gotta remember PBF agreed to Pacs demands, Pac didnt agree to Floyds. Pac walked away and organised another fight first. $10,000,000 per pound is an addition to the normal rules, so Pac was first to play that game. You could easily argue that if he didnt make that ridiculous demand Floyd wouldnt have demanded the drug tests in reply.

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i'm talking about the root cause why the fight fell apart. anyway this has been discussed in great lengths and no need to argue about it again. also there's an existing lawsuit so we will just wait for its outcome

The question should be

Do uninformed/uneducated followers of Boxing like you ruin this place?

YES!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

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Make and break? Dude this is boxing if the terms arent agreeable there not agreeable.. What are the so called fights he broke? Go ahead tardo tell me the Pac fight:rolleyes: :beat:

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And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go

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Why would I believe anything you say anyway, your full of shiit 99% of the time

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Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse?

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Oh I dont know, maybe because its been standard practice for about 50+ years that the bigger draw gets the majority and seeing Floyd is the # 3-4 all time PPV seller in the history of the sport would galvanize that

But your right Jonnycomelately this is all Floyds fault, damn him straight to hell, sit him between Hitler and Dahmer in eternal damnation

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I think I can easily recall a few fighters who would name a few opponents from time to time who they wanted to fight. This is ordinary practice UNTIL YOU ARE ONTOP OF THE DIVISION!

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

Demanding blood tests from every fighter now??

And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go.
But IF (big IF) it does.. Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse? I mean this is NOT WWF wrestling. The winner is To Be Determined for God's sake.

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What the hell are you talking about? Has Mayweather made steps to make a Malignaggi fight happen? Saul Alvarez? I have heard nothing beyond rumor for any of those fights you've mentioned. Blood testing isn't insane, it actually makes sense in a sport where rampant cheating could be going on. Anyone who made their accomplishments legitimately wouldn't have a problem with it.

And look at how you contradict yourself. The Mosley fight will NOT go. But if it does... your entire argument... right out the window. Floyd deserves the lion's share simply because he does more in PPV. If he'd been fighting Berto, rest assured, it would not have been on HBO Championship Boxing. Purses are always divied up based on who negotiates for more and not the winner getting the larger portion. Why is it insane for Mayweather to request more than what any fighter who brings in more than his potential opponent gets? And what the hell does that have to do with the WWF? I have 0 clue how their payment structures are.

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Why is it insane for Mayweather to request more than what any fighter who brings in more than his potential opponent gets?

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Wow. That sentence there doesn't exactly make sense. Oh well. I posted it under the right thread, I guess.

I don't know about Mayweather ruining the sport of boxing. That's perhaps a bit harsh, but it destroys Mayweathers credibility that he is seemingly so unwilling to face a true welterweight these days. Even Mayweathers fans admitted that a Marquez gimme would only be a one off and then time to face a proper fighter. Manny is not really a proper WW in my eyes anyway (145 catchweight=poof) so Mayweather really needs to face a credible 147 pound fighter or else he will look like a class A clown too. Mosley is out there, there is no reason not to make the fight. And Mosley is 38, surely Mayweather can't pass up that kind of opportunity. :)

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Originally Posted by zbolt

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Originally Posted by zbolt

floyd recent damages done to boxing

- retired temporarily when the possible opposition gets tougher

- picked jmm for his comeback fight in a big mismatch fight

- delayed the jmm fight by faking an injury

- unrespectful and unsportsman-like action of not making weight for the jmm fight

- demands additional rules over the present normal rules of boxing commissions that become the root cause of pac-floyd fight falling apart

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Pac/DLH- DLH was still the draw, yet it sold a hell of a lot less than Mayweather/DLH hmmm

Pac/Hatton- both guys had about even amount of pull in this, and yet it still did less than Mayweather/Hatton, hmmmmmmmm

only reason Cotto/Pacquiao did slightly better than Mayweather/Marquez is because obviously it was more of an even matchup and they are both come forward fighters, there is no doubt in my mind Mayweather/Mosley will outsell Pacquiao/Clottey, and its due to the fact that it's 2 of the biggest names in boxing against each other, while Pacquiao/Clottey is not

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Pac/DLH- DLH was still the draw, yet it sold a hell of a lot less than Mayweather/DLH hmmm

Pac/Hatton- both guys had about even amount of pull in this, and yet it still did less than Mayweather/Hatton, hmmmmmmmm

only reason Cotto/Pacquiao did slightly better than Mayweather/Marquez is because obviously it was more of an even matchup and they are both come forward fighters, there is no doubt in my mind Mayweather/Mosley will outsell Pacquiao/Clottey, and its due to the fact that it's 2 of the biggest names in boxing against each other, while Pacquiao/Clottey is not

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Pac/DLH didn't sell as well because it was Oscar on a recent loss. Again.

Pac got second desserts against Hatton. Mayweather got prime pickings.

Pac/Cotto did better than Mayweather/Marquez because it was a far better matchup.

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Originally Posted by eagle

I think an argument could be made that Pac is doing it as much damage as PBF. He continuosly gets fighters to come down in weight to fight at catchweight insead of taking them on at their natural weight, including winning a 147 belt fighting at 145. He then knocks back the biggest fight in memory due to a few simple blood tests and costs the fans the fight. His actions dent the reputation of the sport because it seems the number 1 fighter in the game is a drug taker. Not good.

Mayweather isnt helping may i add, but i think its drawing a long bow to say that he alone is ruining boxing by himself.

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Tell me which is worse...
Scheduling a fight at 145... and fighting at 145 and winning.
Scheduling a fight at 144 coming in overweight against an opponent 2 divisions smaller than you and being unwilling to divulge your fight night weight!

Granted I didn't hear a peep out of Cotto or Marquez, because they are real fighters. They know a fight is just a stack of circumstances some in their favor some not :/

I would really just rather see Mayweather fight and stop holding up the whole boxing world up with worrying about who he fights next. I think everyone wants to fight him now because he has looked very beatable since fighting De La Hoya. Along with the multi million payday for just showing up in shape. Game's up.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

The question should be

Do uninformed/uneducated followers of Boxing like you ruin this place?

YES!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

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Make and break? Dude this is boxing if the terms arent agreeable there not agreeable.. What are the so called fights he broke? Go ahead tardo tell me the Pac fight:rolleyes: :beat:

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And believe you, me. The Mosley fight will NOT go

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Why would I believe anything you say anyway, your full of shiit 99% of the time

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse?

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Oh I dont know, maybe because its been standard practice for about 50+ years that the bigger draw gets the majority and seeing Floyd is the # 3-4 all time PPV seller in the history of the sport would galvanize that

But your right Jonnycomelately this is all Floyds fault, damn him straight to hell, sit him between Hitler and Dahmer in eternal damnation

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Hi JTRock thanks for your input. I think you have a very elegant way of expressing yourself. Do you like men?

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Pac/DLH- DLH was still the draw, yet it sold a hell of a lot less than Mayweather/DLH hmmm

PAC/DLH - it was joke.. 130 vs 154 to meet at 147..

Pac/Hatton- both guys had about even amount of pull in this, and yet it still did less than Mayweather/Hatton, hmmmmmmmm

pac/hitman did less bcoz flips don't buy ppv;D

only reason Cotto/Pacquiao did slightly better than Mayweather/Marquez is because obviously it was more of an even matchup and they are both come forward fighters, there is no doubt in my mind Mayweather/Mosley will outsell Pacquiao/Clottey, and its due to the fact that it's 2 of the biggest names in boxing against each other, while Pacquiao/Clottey is not

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cotto/pac did better coz people want it.. Mayweather/Mosley will do more than Pac/Clottey coz both PBF/Mosley are AMERICANS while both Pac/Clottey are outsiders..

The point of this post was to try and get some attention back to fighting and keeping everything on a level playing field. I am glad we have a fighter in Mayweather for the sport of boxing. I think he's done an incredible job with his career. He is a very talented fighter and he has risen to the occasion every chance he had in his career.

The problem I have with him is NOW. Him calling HBO a racists station full of uncle toms. He didn't mind saying all of this after he "retired" But he doesn't seem to mind who the checks are coming from now, does he? That is just pathetic taht he is still and always will fight on their network after the slanderous things he proposed.. At least Fedor Emilinanko has the gusto/intelligence/savy to create his own fighting league. Maybe mayweather can go do that instead of trying to pick apart a system for his own benefit. His recent arguements could have been made at ANYTIME in his long drawn out career (and yes, it is drawn out as hell).

My point of this post should really have read "Why is the world waiting on who Mayweather will fight next." I had no idea people would take this right to heart.


There was a whole post about calling Filipinos "Flips" and how its not really a nice thing to say. Pinoys?

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I think an argument could be made that Pac is doing it as much damage as PBF. He continuosly gets fighters to come down in weight to fight at catchweight insead of taking them on at their natural weight, including winning a 147 belt fighting at 145. He then knocks back the biggest fight in memory due to a few simple blood tests and costs the fans the fight. His actions dent the reputation of the sport because it seems the number 1 fighter in the game is a drug taker. Not good.

Mayweather isnt helping may i add, but i think its drawing a long bow to say that he alone is ruining boxing by himself.

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Tell me which is worse...
Scheduling a fight at 145... and fighting at 145 and winning.
Scheduling a fight at 144 coming in overweight against an opponent 2 divisions smaller than you and being unwilling to divulge your fight night weight!

Granted I didn't hear a peep out of Cotto or Marquez, because they are real fighters. They know a fight is just a stack of circumstances some in their favor some not :/

I would really just rather see Mayweather fight and stop holding up the whole boxing world up with worrying about who he fights next. I think everyone wants to fight him now because he has looked very beatable since fighting De La Hoya. Along with the multi million payday for just showing up in shape. Game's up.

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I noticed you said nothing about the fact Pac walked away from the fight of the decade due to not wanting to take a drug test which is far worse than anything PBF has done.

And who exactly has Mayweather looked 'very beatable' against since fighting DLH? He has had 2 figts since then, one a KO victory and the other a complete points shut out..... Your theory is dying a painful death.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

The question should be

Do uninformed/uneducated followers of Boxing like you ruin this place?

YES!!!!!!!!!

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What on earth would possess Mayweather to make and break all these fights, adn calling out these top 20 divisional fighters, versus top 20 P4P fighters? Saul Alvarez?? Mlignaggi?? Bradley?? C'mon money... there are guys in your division... I Promise!

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Make and break? Dude this is boxing if the terms arent agreeable there not agreeable.. What are the so called fights he broke? Go ahead tardo tell me the Pac fight:rolleyes: :beat:



Why would I believe anything you say anyway, your full of shiit 99% of the time

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

Why is Floyd getting the lions share? Cant they just fight for the larger part of the purse?

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Oh I dont know, maybe because its been standard practice for about 50+ years that the bigger draw gets the majority and seeing Floyd is the # 3-4 all time PPV seller in the history of the sport would galvanize that

But your right Jonnycomelately this is all Floyds fault, damn him straight to hell, sit him between Hitler and Dahmer in eternal damnation

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Hi JTRock thanks for your input. I think you have a very elegant way of expressing yourself. Do you like men?

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JonnyFolds, do you like men?

Sorry, I had to do that. I think JTRock made a good point and then this reply is the result? I like to see sensible back and forth argument.

Anyway, I think the whole thread is way off track to begin with to suggest that one man could ruin boxing if he tried. Here's a question, "Is Ruiz ruining the sport of boxing"? I think thats a much more interesting question.

The whole silly shit of catchweights, new drug testing and whatnot has me sick of hearing either fighter's name right now.

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The whole silly shit of catchweights, new drug testing and whatnot has me sick of hearing either fighter's name right now.

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Ditto !

Oh and JonnyFolds, i'd be carefull with this thread, i can see you getting panned even more if ya carry on with your shinanigans ;)

I dunno what to say I make points and JT says I am "full of shit 99% of the time"

I am a "tardo"

"uninformed/uneducated followers of Boxing like you ruin this place"

I don't have a problem with anyone on here until they start turning the focus of the post to me personally. I do not think I am coming out of left field. A lot of people feel like I do, and I am that voice. I do NOT resort to name calling. I apologize for asking if JTRock likes men.

My job here is to make legitimate, valid points. Is there anything wrong with that? If you don't agree make counter arguement. If you think I am just crazy go to the next post.

on the contrary, i think mayweather jr is great for the sport. it's been proven that since de la hoya retired, he's the biggest ppv star today. love him or hate him, he sells because he comes across as this arrogant gangster but the truth is, mayweather jr. doesn't always act this way. he acts gangster like to sell tickets but i've seen him at talk shows and he's a very personable person who could be quite likeable for some people.

Floyd isnt ruining boxing. If anyone is its Pac with his weight draining stipulations, diamond belts and walking away from the biggest fight in boxing to fight a guy who lost to Baldimor.

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HAHA so asking for $10,000,000 per pound over weight isnt an addition o the normal rules? Pac started the whole one upmanship game, and when it go too much for him he walked away and walked away looking like a cheater. Another deluded PACTARD!

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Pac/DLH- DLH was still the draw, yet it sold a hell of a lot less than Mayweather/DLH hmmm

Pac/Hatton- both guys had about even amount of pull in this, and yet it still did less than Mayweather/Hatton, hmmmmmmmm

only reason Cotto/Pacquiao did slightly better than Mayweather/Marquez is because obviously it was more of an even matchup and they are both come forward fighters, there is no doubt in my mind Mayweather/Mosley will outsell Pacquiao/Clottey, and its due to the fact that it's 2 of the biggest names in boxing against each other, while Pacquiao/Clottey is not

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For Manny/DLH people expecte3d a slaughter due to obvious reasons so why pay money for a one sided fight they could see on HBO for free 2 weeks later.....Turned out people were right just not in the direction expected.....

Hatton had given shit performances with the exception of Malignaggi and even his own UK fan base dropped according to live gates outside the UK.......

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Instead of the Pactard name calling you should take the post for its context....The Pacquiao fight was not mentioned it was just Floyds constant demands period.....

Here are a few things people are failing to look at....

Floyds resume since 2003,,,,,Tell me a fighter in their prime, show me one dangerous opponent, show me one fighter not on thier way out....Hell in the Hatton fight people seem to forget Hatton looked like shit against every WW he ever faced....Floyd knew Hatton was hand picked for his style...

Where are Floyds PPV drawing powers?...

PBF/DLH....DLH could sell a million PPV buys tripping old ladies donw the stairs FACT...Oscar was the draw for that fight..

PBF/Hatton....Hatton wass the draw for that fight......

PBF/Marquez....People wanted to see what kind of shape PBF was in for the (what everyone assumed was going to be a showdown with Pacquiao)....Real reason it sold so well....

Floyd would not fight Mosley because he is not a PPV draw? (Floyds own words)...Well if Floyd is such a big PPV draw it should not matter who he faces.,.....

Now we want to keep looking for smaller opponents to fill the void? A feather duster in Malignaggi?.....

I am not a Floyd Fan nor a Pacquiao fan but to keep using the Pacquiao fight as a reason to say that PBF is not a pain in the ass and deny has really done little to add to boxings appeal is foolish......

Please name what Floyd has done to make boxing more exciting? Fought Baldomir?, Gatti? Washed up DLH?, A smaller Marquez who struggkled with a one dimensional Diaz?....This is the actions of a great fighter?.......

Make your money all you want but dont act as though these are great achievements.....

Floyd can tell everyone it is raining all he wants but he forgets we can all see him pissing off the balcony

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Pac/DLH- DLH was still the draw, yet it sold a hell of a lot less than Mayweather/DLH hmmm

Pac/Hatton- both guys had about even amount of pull in this, and yet it still did less than Mayweather/Hatton, hmmmmmmmm

only reason Cotto/Pacquiao did slightly better than Mayweather/Marquez is because obviously it was more of an even matchup and they are both come forward fighters, there is no doubt in my mind Mayweather/Mosley will outsell Pacquiao/Clottey, and its due to the fact that it's 2 of the biggest names in boxing against each other, while Pacquiao/Clottey is not

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For Manny/DLH people expecte3d a slaughter due to obvious reasons so why pay money for a one sided fight they could see on HBO for free 2 weeks later.....Turned out people were right just not in the direction expected.....

Hatton had given shit performances with the exception of Malignaggi and even his own UK fan base dropped according to live gates outside the UK.......

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Mayweather/Marquez was expected to be a one sided fight as it was and still did well, what's the excuse for Pacquiao/Diaz?