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It's been almost even years since his debut, and despite the gaudy record (41-0-1, 30 KO's) and the famous name, all he has to show is a couple regional belts. He's still on the undercard on major fights, going against guys who don't look like they should be in the ring with him.
On the other side, he's still only 23 years old. How good is Chavez Jr really? Is this his peak? Is he ever going to be a world champion-caliber fighter?
(EDIT: I meant "Chavez" on the title, obviously.)
I doubt this is his ceiling as far as talent. He is rather young and has a few more years to keep going up. But as far as achievements...this kid has to do something real soon. This could be his achievement ceiling if he doesn't go out and test himself while he is still in his improving years. Even if he loses he'll be able to go back to the drawing board in these years and work out the differences in order to see what he really is, what he lacks, and what works.
I just don't think he is very good. It's all off of his fathers name so far, and he hasn't beaten anyone of any real note. Admittedly, he didn't have an amateur career, but I think he is too limited to ever amount to much. He steps up and he will get beat, he doesn't step up and it's more of the same.
He's probably on Mayweather's current wishlist.
julito may not be a great boxer, may not have any amateur experience and may not have beaten the best opponents but the kid is still undefeated and that says alot about his potential! but i will agree that he needs to step it up right now while he's still young because if he continues to languish and face mediocre opponents he will never improve himself. what he needs is a rough, tough opponent who will bloody his nose, his eyes and knock him down a couple of times. only then will the boxing public see if this kid has any heart and has what it takes to fight with adversity. bob arum is just milking the kid for all he's worth. it's time for him to tell arum to get him some real fight NOW!
Conjures a saying of years ago......piss or get off the pot.Hes been warming up for too long,sink or swim time...throw him in already.They seem determined to ride the name and frankly not so much Jrs ahem,all around ability?
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Originally Posted by miles
lol
sad but very true!!
I think he is only starting to scratch the surface of how good he is gonna be. He's still a baby without an amature back round, that is why they are taking him so slow. Lets not forget his father (who is my all time favorite by the way) inflated his record by beating a bunch of "Tijuana cab drivers" to quote Greg Haugen, before stepping it up to the big time.
He has displayed one punch KO power with that left hook to the head, something his dad did not have and lets not forget his age. He is only 23 with 41 fight experience, he has his whole career ahead of him, you have to like his chances to be a force in the near future.
not when after 41 pro fights he's still struggling to beat guys who probably work 3 jobs on the side :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by boxer dude
Tushay Terrible, Tushay LOL never the less given his age I think there is plenty of time for him to improve. Even if it takes him another 3 years to hit the real big time he will still be only 26 and he would have a shit load of rounds under his belt. I still think you gotta like his chances.
This is as good as it gets for him. I think he knows it and isn't very dedicated too (recent weight loss issues). Sooner rather than later provided he doesn't lose to yet another club fighter they'll stick him in the biggest money fight they can with a top fighter and he'll get flattened.
He will never be more then mediocre. Although, he has nothing to be ashamed of, if he wasn't measured against his father's success, he would have had a pretty good pro career.
i can't understand why there has been so much negativity and heartache with chavez jr.'s career. number one, he never had an amateur career, two, when he started boxing professionally, he was but 17 years old. sure he's had his fill of mediocre opponents but of the 42 fights he's fought, 7 of those were against opponents with sub .500 records, and that was very early in his career. he has yet to fight a top 10 contender but his 10 or so opponents haven't been that bad:
in no particular order.
ray sanchez - 20-1
jose celaya - 31-3
tobia guiseppe loriga - 24-0-1
matt vanda - 38-6 and 39-7
luciano leonel cuello - 23-0
jason le houllier - 21-1-1
troy rowland - 25-2
jermaine white - 14-1
carlos molina - 8-1 and 8-1-1. molina has turned out to be a very good fighter and could fight for a title this year or next.
i could see if chavez jr. was just fighting fighters with losing records but he hasn't. he hasn't fought elite opponents but he's beaten everyone they've put in front of him.
all they've put in front of him has been garbage, and then to put this crap on PPV is ridiculous, if Chavez junior doesn't face a top 20 junior middleweight this year it's pretty clear that he's not gonna ever do soQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I dont know.Think that list can go both ways....numbers in general can be misleading.His and others.Lost the first Vanda fight really.Cuello was actually a solid scrap,would love rematch.Sanchez....ahhhhh.Le houllier ko while impressive was over rated.Thought inactive Rowland showed him to have many lapses.He keeps going through the motions with 2nd tier types he'll get suprised one night.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
This is as good as it gets. :deadnew:
i believe chavez jr. has been vastly overhyped but is it his fault that his last name is chavez? i can see if he keeps fighting opponents with losing records but what arum is doing is giving him some needed experience before he tackles the big boys at jr. middle or middleweight! i don't see anything wrong with that. and i am the first to admit that i do buy his ppv events because of his last name, he is intriguing and besides, his ppv events always come with really good undercards.
Some of his opponents records have had more padding than a DFS sofa.
I agree with everybody. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will never make it big. He is mediocre, untalented and overprotected. Most important of all, he doesn't need to fight in order to make a living. He's just a clown. I would even say his younger brother (Omar) has a better chance to make it than him.
If it wasn't for his fathers success don't think he would have had much of a pro careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Somehow, Arum is behind all that and I explain myself: The kid is outrageously popular in Mexico and Arum makes tons tons of money with him headlining his cards over there. Relatively un-expensive cards to put up, load of money to get in return. Do you think Uncle Bob is in a hurry to blow up one of his good milk cow? Sure not. Especially because he's lining low risk cards. He'll continue the formula till it's not bearable anymore and then will land him against a real pitbull for a last money ride and it'll be bye bye little indians.
I keep thinking of Joel Julio as soon as someone mentions JCC Jr. They are the same age. Both are boxers with a good punch in case they endout getting out classed. I think Julio would wipe the floor with him.
JCC is lucky he's in one of the weakest division in boxing (154). assuming Martinez and Williams stay up at 160 of course..
I wouldn't be surprised if that is the same thing people were wondering about Chavez sr. when he was starting out and not facing big names and then accomplished all that has taken him to be an all-time great. Let's see what happens to Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuliusHicks82
I could be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken Wilfredo Benitez didn't have an amateur career and still became champ at 17. Pacquiao for sure didn't have one and still became Lineal flyweight champ at 19. Mike Tyson only had 10 or 15 amateur bouts and became HW champ at 20.
It's either you have it or you don't. And from looking at JCC jr. he doesn't have it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Chavez Jr. is fighting John Duddy on the undercard of Pacman/Clottey. Atleast that's a rumor. If this is the case, I think this Chavez kid will be tested. We'll find out if he can take a punch if he steps in the ring with Duddy.