WTF is up Dan Rafael's ass?

It's getting really tiring reading him bashing Mayweather so much. He acts like Mayweather has never faced a valid challenge before. IMO Oscar has been better than Mosley since Mosley's first loss. I think Mosley's physical attributes might make him a bigger challenge for Mayweather, but Oscar outboxed him pretty clearly in their second fight. At welterweight Mayweather faced Baldomir when he was the number 1 welterweight and linear champion, he faced Judah right after his fall from that position, but they were clearly the two most highly regarded WW's at the time.

I can't say Mayweather hasn't hand picked his opponents, but its on a financial basis that he picks his opponent. A guy has to be good, but also a draw for Mayweather to find reason in fighting him. Sure it might not be the most honorable method of finding opponents, but it's really worked for him and it wasn't him that backed out of the Pacquiao fight. He didn't shy away from Baldomir when people thought that would be really challenging, or when he faced Castillo immediately after his toughest test as a pro. I don't believe there is anyone within reason Floyd wouldn't fight if the money was right, and when it comes down to it, he along with Manny are putting boxing on a different level media wise. And I hate that Dan Rafael thinks he should be able to hate on the guy who is as responsible for boxing's resurgence as anyone else.

Judging from the size of him, I suspect quite a lot. There has to be some serious digestion problems going on there or he's on the Trainer Monkey nutrional programme...

I think the problem is a lot boxing fans(like Rafael) have with Floyd is that he promotes himself as the greatest ever, but in the past he has ducked almost all the other good welterweights of his error(Margarito, Cotto, Mosely, Williams).

The Baldimore fight was understandable because he was THE champion, but fighting Zab Judah after he got schooled by club fighter Baldimore was pathetic, Fighting Lightweight champion JMM in his comeback was questionable, and all the other excuses he made for why he could not fight the top welterweights were laughable.

However, it Mayweather actually goes through with his fight with Mosely, I dont think this will be a valid criticism anymore.

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I think the problem is a lot boxing fans(like Rafael) have with Floyd is that he promotes himself as the greatest ever, but in the past he has ducked almost all the other good welterweights of his error(Margarito, Cotto, Mosely, Williams).

The Baldimore fight was understandable because he was THE champion, but fighting Zab Judah after he got schooled by club fighter Baldimore was pathetic, Fighting Lightweight champion JMM in his comeback was questionable, and all the other excuses he made for why he could not fight the top welterweights were laughable.

However, it Mayweather actually goes through with his fight with Mosely, I dont think this will be a valid criticism anymore.

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Ok, one thing that does bother me is the whole 'Mayweather says he's the greatest ever' thing, even when he recently said he hadn't done enough to prove it. Also one thing I've never got is how Judah (who he already had a contract with - try getting out of a contract with a Don King fighter) was a crap win for PBF, but was often cited as a good one for Cotto. He's either good for both or crap for both. I've never heard Cotto catch shit for fighting a guy who hadn't won in his previous 3 fights.

The JMM fight was ok as a comeback fight, which is what it appears to be. JMM got a big payday & Mayweather had a comeback fight that would sell on PPV. He wasn't going to come straight back and fight Mosley or Cotto, even Shane said he thought Mayweather wanted to see where he was at.

Imo, I don't think he's fought the guys he should have at Welterweight, but I wouldn't say he ducked them, and when he fights Mosley, I think that criticism will go away.

But, yeah on the subject of why Dan Rafael, and for that matter, Doug Fischer seem to dislike Mayweather so much, it almost certainly derives from a personal dislike or something that came about during an interview. I suspect that if Mayweather wrote a column about either, it would hardly be glowing, and that's life, no journalist is going to be able to completely cover his feelings up if likes or dislikes a fighter personally, it will affect their work.

Mayweather gives critics lots of stuff to complain about, he's never unified, he hasn't fought many dangerous guys at 147, he calls himself the greatest and he's nowhere close.....I mean he MAY be the greatest of his era but he thinks more highly of himself than his record shows

I've been annoyed with Rafael ever since he commented on the JMM-Chris John fight like he had seen it when he clearly hadn't. Very unprofessional.

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I've been annoyed with Rafael ever since he commented on the JMM-Chris John fight like he had seen it when he clearly hadn't. Very unprofessional.

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What did he say?

It's only since coming on here that I've really begun to read Rafael.

I can't remember exactly what it was but seems if I remember right that he mentioned some fight in Aisa the week or so before that was controversial and then said this one wasn't like that as Chris John clearly outboxed Marquez. The fight was impossible to see here, and it took months for a torrent to show up, he could have got a tape of it possibly I guess (thought it would have had to been very quick) but the way he talked about it being a clear controversy free decision made it blatantly obvious he had just read a report coming out of Indonesia.

And the whole tone of the report was that he had seen it, not that he was relaying some other report.

Yeah, that is bullshit and unbelievably poor journalism (although extremely common).

I remember it wasn't till like 6-7 months or something after the fight that I actually saw the John-Marquez fight, and I've still never talked to anyone who's seen it who can say it was a clear win.

It's sad when you think about it. Boxing journalism used to be the most respected in the sports world and attracted writers like Norman Mailer and Budd Schullberg. Now what have we got? Some fat bloke with a beard who admits he only started following the sport in his 20s, some pony-tailed asshole who writes as if he's sending a text message and a mass of others who basically work as Top Rank publicists :-\

I don't see Big Dan being worse than anyone else, he's ok, of course I disagree with him sometimes but in boxing different people see different things.

Many see Floyd as a great fighter and some see Floyd as a fighter who had opportunities to become the greatest

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I don't see Big Dan being worse than anyone else, he's ok, of course I disagree with him sometimes but in boxing different people see different things.

Many see Floyd as a great fighter and some see Floyd as a fighter who had opportunities to become the greatest

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Precisely my point. He's considered one of the better writers out there, but truthfully he's average at best. My comparison is more clear when you read older boxing reports and they're just infinitely more professional in their writing. To be fair, the writing in the magazines is still of better quality, but it just seems internet writers are the ones who're seen as the best there is now. I mean fucking Doug Fischer frequently uses LOL in his articles :rolleyes:

I actually liked Doug Fischer when he was at maxboxing, I never go to the ring so I don't know what he's like now. He's not a great technical writer by any means but I liked his profiles of fighters (granted almost all So. Cal fighters but they're are a lot of them) and his gym reports.

Hauser's probably the best boxing writer.

I'm reading a book by a guy named Donald McRae called Dark Trade, its pretty good but I don't know if he's really a boxing journalist.

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I actually liked Doug Fischer when he was at maxboxing, I never go to the ring so I don't know what he's like now. He's not a great technical writer by any means but I liked his profiles of fighters (granted almost all So. Cal fighters but they're are a lot of them) and his gym reports.

Hauser's probably the best boxing writer.

I'm reading a book by a guy named Donald McRae called Dark Trade, its pretty good but I don't know if he's really a boxing journalist.

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Hauser is a very good technical writer, but he's basically Bob Arum's bitch, which always puts me off him. When he's dealing with a situation that doesn't involve Arum in any way, he's a much better writer.

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Judging from the size of him, I suspect quite a lot. There has to be some serious digestion problems going on there or he's on the Trainer Monkey nutrional programme...

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Bagels every morning... with no cream though.

Mayweather was forced into fighting Mosley...Mayweather will get stopped May 1st....Just watch. :cool:

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Mayweather was forced into fighting Mosley...Mayweather will get stopped May 1st....Just watch. :cool:

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...I wouldn't cry if that happened

After a loss PBF would either #1 Retire immediately or soon there after or #2 Fight anyone and everyone regardless of the consequences

Yeah, I don't even acknowledge Rafael anymore. He clearly speaks from his heart. And he definitely belittles PBF more than what is warranted. Mayweather has given critics enough fuel but Rafael is one of the writers who will find a way to belittle Mayweather in every situation.

I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Mayweather was forced into fighting Mosley...Mayweather will get stopped May 1st....Just watch. :cool:

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So what you're saying is that a higher power caused an earthquake in haiti just to force Berto to pull out and manipulate Floyd to fight Mosley? :o

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Mayweather was forced into fighting Mosley...Mayweather will get stopped May 1st....Just watch. :cool:

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I feel a bet of somekind coming on. Do you fancy a sig bet?? I'll have PBF you Mosley :D

I honestly don't think people would give very much credit to Mayweather based on the chronological oppertunities he would have had to face Mosley up until Shane beat Margarito. I mean he lost to Cotto in his biggest WW fight in recent years up until that point so the arguement would be why wouldn't Mayweather face Cotto, but not only was Floyd expecting to face Oscar again, but he fought Hatton like a month after the Mosley-Cotto fight and subsequently retired. I honestly don't think he would have had that much trouble with Miguel and that he wasn't run out of the division. Then Margarito beat Cotto(the first thing that made margarito a marginally valid opponent for Floyd), but he was still retired and once again there would have been a million excuses for why Floyd beat Tony as easy as he would have. Then Shane, thankfully, beat the crap out of TOny and I honestly think he and Pacquiao have made themselves out to be true threats on paper to Mayweather. I think they are the type of fighters people think can truly test Floyd, but there wasn't anyone truly like that when Mayweather was orginally at WW.

Also for somebody who was gone for 16 or 18 months between Hatton and JMM, I don't think 1-2 inches in height and 4 pounds in weight really signify a large difference in "Size". Honestly it was Mayweather's speed and skill that made him so dominant over a guy who's style matched up very poorly with Floyd's. But Mayweather still pissed me off by not trying to make weight.

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I've been annoyed with Rafael ever since he commented on the JMM-Chris John fight like he had seen it when he clearly hadn't. Very unprofessional.

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I remember that it was total nonsense. JMM did not deserve those points taken away, and even with those point deductions. I still had JMM winning, but then again it was JMM's own fault turning down the Manny Pacquiao rematch. And instead fighting Chris John for peanuts.

And getting nothing to show for it, how history could of been so different. If JMM would of took the rematch, he probably would of won because Manny Pacquiao was still one dimensional at that point.

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It's getting really tiring reading him bashing Mayweather so much. He acts like Mayweather has never faced a valid challenge before. IMO Oscar has been better than Mosley since Mosley's first loss. I think Mosley's physical attributes might make him a bigger challenge for Mayweather, but Oscar outboxed him pretty clearly in their second fight. At welterweight Mayweather faced Baldomir when he was the number 1 welterweight and linear champion, he faced Judah right after his fall from that position, but they were clearly the two most highly regarded WW's at the time.

I can't say Mayweather hasn't hand picked his opponents, but its on a financial basis that he picks his opponent. A guy has to be good, but also a draw for Mayweather to find reason in fighting him. Sure it might not be the most honorable method of finding opponents, but it's really worked for him and it wasn't him that backed out of the Pacquiao fight. He didn't shy away from Baldomir when people thought that would be really challenging, or when he faced Castillo immediately after his toughest test as a pro. I don't believe there is anyone within reason Floyd wouldn't fight if the money was right, and when it comes down to it, he along with Manny are putting boxing on a different level media wise. And I hate that Dan Rafael thinks he should be able to hate on the guy who is as responsible for boxing's resurgence as anyone else.

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Do you want the resume or just currently?

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I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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No of course not people pick up stuff at different times, but for someone who has a definite perceived arrogance about him and speaks on many things as the authority, it is a bit odd.

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I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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No of course not people pick up stuff at different times, but for someone who has a definite perceived arrogance about him and speaks on many things as the authority, it is a bit odd.

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You talking about Bilbo or fat Dan?

Rafael is fat, woman-less, and spends his whole life behind a pc watching boxing, porn or both at the same time. Can't blame the guy for coming off as a prick from time to time. He's like the rest after picking floyd to loose time and time again he could care less who beats him. He just wants to be alive to see someone do it. Remember this is the guy who thought joel julio was the next best thing....each entitled to thier own i guess.

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I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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It's true that I'm a relatively recent fan. I started getting into boxing in around 2005. I really liked the Winky - Trinidad fight, that was the fight boxing match that really captured my attention for some reason. That was the first fight that really got me into the sport. I realized it wasn't all about brute strength and concussive knockouts and that there was a true art about the game. To be honest, around the same time I also really enjoyed the Contender show (go ahead, laugh away). Ever since then I've been a pretty hardcore fan, but it's only been 4/5 years for me.

I joined Saddo's in 2006 and basically lurked for a year because I didn't know fuck all about the sport really, I think I probably had like 50 posts in my first year here. Even after that I only really posted sporadically. It took me almost as long to go from 1-1,000 posts than it did to got from 1,000-10,000. I only really started posting on here a lot after my mom died in mid-2007 because it: a) gave me an anonymous venue to talk about what had happened; and b) because it was a place where I could kind of escape what was happening in my life.

And that ends today's segment of "Get to Know a MOD Better" :p

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I've honestly been surprised by how poor the coverage on this Pac-Mayweather fight is all across the board and I don't think many are shooting straight in regards to it, Rafael and Hauser included. Even Al Bernstein, whom I think is as on-point as there is, seems to have a jaded view of the whole situation in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that boxing journalism is being soiled by these guys though. My favorite writer of all time is Jack Fiske, and he had as much personal opinion in his articles as anyone else (his final column was him lamenting about many things including fighters who wear the same color trunks and fighters with tattoos ;D) today and I actually don't mind that from established writers who have been pre-screened to actually deserve the shout-space. What I don't like is all the crazy ass internet reporters and boxing industry rejects like Michael Marley who do nothing but stir the pot, thus getting internet boards like this exploding with topics on their drivel. That's what sad but I'm not sure how much the quality has dropped so much the quantity. The internet gives people a venue other then calling in to an AM radio station.

Rafael really didn't follow boxing until his 20's? That's odd.

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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It's true that I'm a relatively recent fan. I started getting into boxing in around 2005. I really liked the Winky - Trinidad fight, that was the fight boxing match that really captured my attention for some reason. That was the first fight that really got me into the sport. I realized it wasn't all about brute strength and concussive knockouts and that there was a true art about the game. To be honest, around the same time I also really enjoyed the Contender show (go ahead, laugh away). Ever since then I've been a pretty hardcore fan, but it's only been 4/5 years for me.

I joined Saddo's in 2006 and basically lurked for a year because I didn't know fuck all about the sport really, I think I probably had like 50 posts in my first year here. Even after that I only really posted sporadically. It took me almost as long to go from 1-1,000 posts than it did to got from 1,000-10,000. I only really started posting on here a lot after my mom died in mid-2007 because it: a) gave me an anonymous venue to talk about what had happened; and b) because it was a place where I could kind of escape what was happening in my life.

And that ends today's segment of "Get to Know a MOD Better" :p

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Around the time of that Contender show was just about as busy as I can remember it on here. That definitely got boxing fans out of the woodwork.

I like Rafael. ;D

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Not that odd according to this site.

I think CFH has only been a fan a couple of years (since Oscar-Floyd or something?). Bilbo came to this site claiming fighters under 160lb weren't worth watching. A good few Brits started watching with Hatton-Kostya

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It's true that I'm a relatively recent fan. I started getting into boxing in around 2005. I really liked the Winky - Trinidad fight, that was the fight boxing match that really captured my attention for some reason. That was the first fight that really got me into the sport. I realized it wasn't all about brute strength and concussive knockouts and that there was a true art about the game. To be honest, around the same time I also really enjoyed the Contender show (go ahead, laugh away). Ever since then I've been a pretty hardcore fan, but it's only been 4/5 years for me.

I joined Saddo's in 2006 and basically lurked for a year because I didn't know fuck all about the sport really, I think I probably had like 50 posts in my first year here. Even after that I only really posted sporadically. It took me almost as long to go from 1-1,000 posts than it did to got from 1,000-10,000. I only really started posting on here a lot after my mom died in mid-2007 because it: a) gave me an anonymous venue to talk about what had happened; and b) because it was a place where I could kind of escape what was happening in my life.

And that ends today's segment of "Get to Know a MOD Better" :p

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Around the time of that Contender show was just about as busy as I can remember it on here. That definitely got boxing fans out of the woodwork.

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I think it did. Lots of people like to piss all over it, and it was incredibly cheesy and subjective with it's music and editing. However, it was successful, albeit temporarily, at bringing boxing into the mainstream. It was sensationalized, romanticized, and horribly cliched, but it was also able to briefly capture peoples attention. I know of a few people who were turned on to boxing or had their interest rekindled because of it. It certainly helped increase my interest in the sport.

If The Contender was more like The Ultimate Fighter then it would still be a hit right now.

They needed to pair with ESPN to have a Fight Night on like a Wednesday or something and just do an entire card and it in turn would have given ESPN the chance to boost ratings on Friday Night Fights and promote other events.

TUF has bad fights but it has FULL fights and no crappy edited fights which just makes everyone think "It's fixed"

WTF is up Dan Rafael's ass ?
i would have to guess Bilbo.

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WTF is up Dan Rafael's ass ?
i would have to guess Bilbo.

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The question now would be: Why did Bilbo want to go up Dan's hairy butt?

Dan Rafael is a fat fukk. And as a rule I do not care for nor trust fat people.