JMM's trainer tells Marquez to avoid Khan!?!?

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"Khan is very strong and it's not a good fight right now because he's not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal.

"I think it's better to get another opponent. He should not be exploited again. Juan Manuel deserves to retire like a true champion and not as someone's stepping stone."

Is this just to build up the fight or does JMM's trainer genuinely think Khan is too much for JMM?

You should have headlined it - MARQUEZ DUCKS KHAN!!! FACT.

Been some serious mileage in that.

I think Nacho is not underestimating Khan obviously to a younger, taller,reach might be stronger to Marquez, Nacho could seen something on Marquez last fight that his fighter is not really good going 135lbs north.
Marquez is one of a name in boxing now.
Unless if the pot is really right to Marquez favor.

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Juan Manuel Marquez's trainer sees Amir Khan fight as exploitation | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

"Khan is very strong and it's not a good fight right now because he's not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal.

"I think it's better to get another opponent. He should not be exploited again. Juan Manuel deserves to retire like a true champion and not as someone's stepping stone."

Is this just to build up the fight or does JMM's trainer genuinely think Khan is too much for JMM?

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From those two quotes it sounds like Nacho knew beforehand Marquez couldn't beat Mayweather. I do remember him saying he wasn't fast enough on 24/7.

I can understand why to be honest, Khan is the upstart trying to break into the mainstream in the USA and I bet JMM is feeling a bit disrespected as he is being seen as the old warrier with a name who is going to give the new kid a decent scrap but will be beat.

I think Marquez can beat Khan but maybe he feels he is still good and big enough to pick who he wants to fight.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You should have headlined it - MARQUEZ DUCKS KHAN!!! FACT.

Been some serious mileage in that.

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He just blew a fantastic opportunity for a windup thread. As a Mod you should take action and change the title. :)

To be fair Marquez hasn't ducked him yet and it could be just a negotiating position. But he's definitely ducking Khan, what a bottler.

Good. Hope this fight gets scuppered and Khan has to face someone his own size like that guy whos been his mandatory for a while.

Next foe for con boy. Paulie Malinaggi with 5 kos in 30 fights. Then we'll hear how he's becoming a man at 23 by beating a gatekeeper!

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Next foe for con boy. Paulie Malinaggi with 5 kos in 30 fights. Then we'll hear how he's becoming a man at 23 by beating a gatekeeper!

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I really wish you would stop making light of Khans age and how well he's doing for being just 23 ;D

Maybe too much risk and not enough reward for Marquez. If his team does not think he'll do well above 135 lbs, then why was he challenging Pacquiao to a third fight? Oh yeah, the reward.

marquez ducking khan? what a joke! as far as i know marquez has NEVER ducked anybody, much less an overrated, media-hype job in khan. besides, khan isn't a big name yet so this fight probably wouldn't sell enough for someone of marquez' status.

if khan is so good why won't he match his talent against fighters who are as naturally as big as he or in their prime! first of all, marquez is noticiably on the decline as any 36 fighter would be who has been thru several wars with even better fighters than khan.

khan should have the balls to fight fighters like maidana, ortiz, devon alexander, lamont peterson, kendall holt etc...instead of roach feeding his fighters over the hill fighters as usual, he should see just how good a trainer he is and match his young fighters with other young fighters. if he's that good a trainer, his fighters shouldn't have a problem right?

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marquez ducking khan? what a joke! as far as i know marquez has NEVER ducked anybody, much less an overrated, media-hype job in khan. besides, khan isn't a big name yet so this fight probably wouldn't sell enough for someone of marquez' status.

if khan is so good why won't he match his talent against fighters who are as naturally as big as he or in their prime! first of all, marquez is noticiably on the decline as any 36 fighter would be who has been thru several wars with even better fighters than khan.

khan should have the balls to fight fighters like maidana, ortiz, devon alexander, lamont peterson, kendall holt etc...instead of roach feeding his fighters over the hill fighters as usual, he should see just how good a trainer he is and match his young fighters with other young fighters. if he's that good a trainer, his fighters shouldn't have a problem right?

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In theory your right, but I think Roach has become just as much a manager/matchmaker for his top guys these days. Like it or not, he does carry some weight in the bus and wants his fighters to do well for themselves financially first and foremost. Cant really blame him for it.

p4p,

you're right and he should be looking out for his fighters well being but right now he's only a trainer. i just can't stand his cherrypicking his fghters' opponents. i think he does it to make his training skills look better than what they are. not to mention the guy is a classic, annoying motor-mouth who annoys and rubs fans the wrong way.

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p4p,

you're right and he should be looking out for his fighters well being but right now he's only a trainer. i just can't stand his cherrypicking his fghters' opponents. i think he does it to make his training skills look better than what they are. not to mention the guy is a classic, annoying motor-mouth who annoys and rubs fans the wrong way.

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Who's to say what his role is though? Clearly he has a lot of control over his fighters, and he is entitled to make career choices for his top guys. People rag on him for the reasons you state, but at the end of the day if he is making his fighters and himself millions of dollars and winning, I'm sure he isn't losing sleep over it. Besides that, he is an excellent trainer and people who say otherwise never substantiate it with anything whatsoever. It's only on forums and the like, amongst people who follow the sport very closely that you will actually hear any criticism of the guy, and even then it's just bickering about things he might say, basically who gives a rats. Freddie Roach has actually made a name for himself amongst casual fans, I have friends who know him or read things about him, he has also established a presence amongst MMA circles, which says a lot considering he is just a boxing trainer. I like the guy, he's obviously not stupid.

Its the usual build up bullshit.

According to the latest the fight is off. Marquez is ducking Khan!

This is not having a go at either fighter, but who is really the bigger draw in the USA. Surely Marquez would sell more PPV's in the USA than Khan? Or am i wrong? Seems like all the fight factors are in khans favor even tho he is the up and comer. I thought all along JMM should have challenged Amir to fight at 135 just to see how keen he really was for the fight. I think JMM is right in a way, he'd be better off fighting at his more natural weight of 130-135 to end his career.

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marquez ducking khan? what a joke! as far as i know marquez has NEVER ducked anybody, much less an overrated, media-hype job in khan. besides, khan isn't a big name yet so this fight probably wouldn't sell enough for someone of marquez' status.

if khan is so good why won't he match his talent against fighters who are as naturally as big as he or in their prime! first of all, marquez is noticiably on the decline as any 36 fighter would be who has been thru several wars with even better fighters than khan.

khan should have the balls to fight fighters like maidana, ortiz, devon alexander, lamont peterson, kendall holt etc...instead of roach feeding his fighters over the hill fighters as usual, he should see just how good a trainer he is and match his young fighters with other young fighters. if he's that good a trainer, his fighters shouldn't have a problem right?

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Agreed. Khan is a joke. Ducking Maidana was absolutely pathetic.

Khan doesn't want to face any live fighter who is within a decade of his own age. Fecking fraud artist! Marquez shouldn't walk away from this fight because he can stop Khan and I want to see Khan laid out sooner rather than later. I'm sure they will be looking for a Morales fight again now. :rolleyes:

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marquez ducking khan? what a joke! as far as i know marquez has NEVER ducked anybody, much less an overrated, media-hype job in khan. besides, khan isn't a big name yet so this fight probably wouldn't sell enough for someone of marquez' status.

if khan is so good why won't he match his talent against fighters who are as naturally as big as he or in their prime! first of all, marquez is noticiably on the decline as any 36 fighter would be who has been thru several wars with even better fighters than khan.

khan should have the balls to fight fighters like maidana, ortiz, devon alexander, lamont peterson, kendall holt etc...instead of roach feeding his fighters over the hill fighters as usual, he should see just how good a trainer he is and match his young fighters with other young fighters. if he's that good a trainer, his fighters shouldn't have a problem right?

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Agreed. Khan is a joke. Ducking Maidana was absolutely pathetic.

Khan doesn't want to face any live fighter who is within a decade of his own age. Fecking fraud artist! Marquez shouldn't walk away from this fight because he can stop Khan and I want to see Khan laid out sooner rather than later. I'm sure they will be looking for a Morales fight again now. :rolleyes:

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:smilie_whisper: Kahn should do flying visit to Pakistan and round up some expert fight fans we can chat to about him.

Remember Naz :sheep: and the Arabic boxing experts :sheep: telling us all which way the wind blew for a few years,that was fun.



:gossip: "So what do you brothers think of Boxing "?

:bag: " I lived in a box once".


"Cool, you're our expert spokesman then."

I'm not surprised! Every1 wanks on bout how good a trainer he is, and I agree he is, but he's been critised on more than one occasion bout his management of JMM's career, eg. when he sent JMM to Indonesia to take on Chris John...

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I'm not surprised! Every1 wanks on bout how good a trainer he is, and I agree he is, but he's been critised on more than one occasion bout his management of JMM's career, eg. when he sent JMM to Indonesia to take on Chris John...

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The guy did build something like 16 world champions. Like anybody, he might have made mistakes at some point but one thing you can't do: Question Nacho's capacities as a trainer. I remember even Bert Sugar once saying how he was "the hell of a professor".

Why would any one want to step in the ring with Roache's PED's users? I think it would be wise to stay away from all of Roache's top fighters as they are feeding these guys 5 star hog nuts and gorilla piss ;D

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I'm not surprised! Every1 wanks on bout how good a trainer he is, and I agree he is, but he's been critised on more than one occasion bout his management of JMM's career, eg. when he sent JMM to Indonesia to take on Chris John...

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The guy did build something like 16 world champions. Like anybody, he might have made mistakes at some point but one thing you can't do: Question Nacho's capacities as a trainer. I remember even Bert Sugar once saying how he was "the hell of a professor".

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Yeh tru... As I said, I do beleive he is a great trainer, so we're in agreeance there (I hope haha), I fink I was more commenting on his fighter's career management skills and how they MAY lack at times...

I hope JMM doesn't fight Amir Khan, i couldn't handle another one of my favorites losing to Amir Khan. It seems to be all against JMM. Height, Reach, Age, Speed, Size, Weight.

I'd rather JMM just stay at his own weightclass, and Amir Khan beat fighters in his own weightclass. Like Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander, Marcos Rene Maidana.

So a fighter considered by some (not me) to be a legitimate opponent for the p4p man at 147 is considered a blatant duck for a 140 lad of 23??

Roach's camp aren't denying that they're taking their time with Khan and not rushing him, JMM will easily be his toughest opponent. Maidana? seriously? the guy who lost to Kotelnik? who was considered by many to be 'the worst champ out there' for Khan to get a phony title?

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So a fighter considered by some (not me) to be a legitimate opponent for the p4p man at 147 is considered a blatant duck for a 140 lad of 23??

Roach's camp aren't denying that they're taking their time with Khan and not rushing him, JMM will easily be his toughest opponent. Maidana? seriously? the guy who lost to Kotelnik? who was considered by many to be 'the worst champ out there' for Khan to get a phony title?

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Many people believe Marcos Rene Maidana beat Andriy Kotelnik, plus its because we want to see him beat a puncher. He's only fought 1 puncher and look what happened there. And lastly pretty much everyone was saying the JMM fight, was a warm up fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And hardly anyone gives credit to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Considering JMM struggled at Lightweight so above Lightweight, was really a joke.

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So a fighter considered by some (not me) to be a legitimate opponent for the p4p man at 147 is considered a blatant duck for a 140 lad of 23??

Roach's camp aren't denying that they're taking their time with Khan and not rushing him, JMM will easily be his toughest opponent. Maidana? seriously? the guy who lost to Kotelnik? who was considered by many to be 'the worst champ out there' for Khan to get a phony title?

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Many people believe Marcos Rene Maidana beat Andriy Kotelnik, plus its because we want to see him beat a puncher. He's only fought 1 puncher and look what happened there. And lastly pretty much everyone was saying the JMM fight, was a warm up fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And hardly anyone gives credit to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Considering JMM struggled at Lightweight so above Lightweight, was really a joke.

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Hold on a minute, I'll agree that JMM was less effective considering his ATG standards below 135, but he KOed 2 of the top 3 who'd never been stopped b4, easily making him the no.1 Lightweight. Now u tellin me that a guy no.1 in his division goes 5 pounds north and suddenly becomes a 'joke' contender???? Size would be a slight equaliser for Khan, as well as JMM's age, but still a very very capable opponent who'd probably enter the ring a favourite. Guessin from your views u'd have Khan favourite for this which, ironically, means u rate his abilities as a boxer more thab the majority of us.

JMM's KO resume is way more impressive than Prescott's is at 135 by the way.

actually i think marquez might win this fight. if we're judging khan in the barrera fight, that's good and dandy but remember, barrera was really washed up while marquez, while not in his prime is far from being finished. besides, i think marquez' superior defense would make it harder for khan to look as good as he did against barrera. another thing, marquez definitely had more power than barrera and i think with khan's china chin, he could very well catch him and KO him. even barrera tagged khan a few times and "moved" him a bit. i think marquez, while being the older fighter would definitely be a very dangerous opponent for the youngster. in boxing, the puncher always has the harder task of ko'ing his opponent but in this case, i think marquez can definitely do it because he's still a very dangerous fighter for anyone 140 and below!

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So a fighter considered by some (not me) to be a legitimate opponent for the p4p man at 147 is considered a blatant duck for a 140 lad of 23??

Roach's camp aren't denying that they're taking their time with Khan and not rushing him, JMM will easily be his toughest opponent. Maidana? seriously? the guy who lost to Kotelnik? who was considered by many to be 'the worst champ out there' for Khan to get a phony title?

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Many people believe Marcos Rene Maidana beat Andriy Kotelnik, plus its because we want to see him beat a puncher. He's only fought 1 puncher and look what happened there. And lastly pretty much everyone was saying the JMM fight, was a warm up fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And hardly anyone gives credit to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Considering JMM struggled at Lightweight so above Lightweight, was really a joke.

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Hold on a minute, I'll agree that JMM was less effective considering his ATG standards below 135, but he KOed 2 of the top 3 who'd never been stopped b4, easily making him the no.1 Lightweight. Now u tellin me that a guy no.1 in his division goes 5 pounds north and suddenly becomes a 'joke' contender???? Size would be a slight equaliser for Khan, as well as JMM's age, but still a very very capable opponent who'd probably enter the ring a favourite. Guessin from your views u'd have Khan favourite for this which, ironically, means u rate his abilities as a boxer more thab the majority of us.

JMM's KO resume is way more impressive than Prescott's is at 135 by the way.

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You've got the wrong end of the stick, if you read my last comment again. Im on about JMM being at Welterweight vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, was a joke considering he was pushing his limit at Lightweight.

I've got no problem with Amir Khan facing JMM, and i've said in other threads i've got no problem with it. But its still a fact JMM struggled at Lightweight, so moving up to Jr Welterweight would even be worse for him.

Considering he was fleshy around the mid-section vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and taking into account as i've already said. The big height and reach advantages Amir Khan has got, plus the size and the youth.

Im just really sick of these kind of fights being made, they've been made too much for my liking recently. And i'd rather just two fighters in there own weightclass fight eachother. To prove who is the best.

I mean how is this really much different to the MAB situation ? yes JMM is fresher than MAB but again it will be Amir Khan, being too big and fresh.

Yes i will give him credit and yes i have no problem with the fight, but i'd rather Amir Khan fight someone in his own weightclass. But yes i do realize he wants to make a name for himself. And a fight with JMM seems perfect.

But as a JMM fan i hope he doesn't take it.

I really wish people would stop going on about how Marquez struggled at 135. He ko'd two of the top guys who had previously never been stopped. The reason he didn't look as good is because he chose to go life and death with them, much like he did in the first round against Pacquiao, only the 3 knockdowns made him change his tactic.

So to say he'd be ineffective at 140 is a little bit silly...especially against somebody with supposedly the weakest chin in Boxing.

I also wish people would stop going on about how we need to see him in with a puncher. We've already seen it, and he go ko'd. Him beating another puncher doesn't prove anything really. His chin is never going to improve so unless he develops unbelievable defensive skills (which i doubt), he will always have a chance of being Ko'd by anyone....not just a puncher. So if he was to beat Maidana he'd go to 1-1 against punchers. It's hardly going to change people's mind about his chin. There will always be half a chance that he'll get ko'd as it will always be a question of 'if' the opponent connects on Khan's chin.

Even ignoring all that, surely it's more dangerous for him to fight a lighter hitting puncher who has the skills to land much more frequently...like Marquez? I mean it's not as though Marquez is feather-fisted.

I don't mind people saying they want Khan to fight Maidana, because he is a legitimate contender and he deserves a shot, but the logic in chosing him over Marquez is flawed.

Incidentally, it's interesting to see how many people are saying they don't blame Marquez for not wanting to fight Khan as the risk/reward factor isn't in Marquez's favour, yet when the same scenario applies for Khan fighting Maidana, Khan is called a bottle-job.

Another bad decision on JMM's part IMO

Legacy - Khan presents a title that would make JMM a 4 Division champion. He would be the 1st Mexican to do it.

Money - Besides Hatton Khan presents the most money at 140.