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Why Edwin Valero must quit ring for the sake of boxing - mirror.co.uk
What do you reckon?? If he has passed the relevant tests and he knows what the dangers are and he is aware of what could happen and he is happy to do it, I think it should be his choice.
I can see where Mcguigan is coming from, deaths can happen in boxing easily as it is without risking someone who has known brain injuries. If though he can be licensed in other parts of the U.S. other than Texas for example Nevada or New York and his injuries can be proven to have fully recovered through the correct scans then I don't see the problem.
I don't know much about Valero's condition but it must be quite serious if he can't get a license anywhere but Texas. Is his damage still evident, or are the authorities just worried about what COULD happen? Damage can happen to anyone in a fight and if Valero's fully recovered then he has as much right as anyone to fight.
Mcguigan is a fukking idiot. A selfish one at that. Valero ain't no 17, 18 year kid who doesn't know any better. He's a 28 year old man who is very well aware of what he's gotten himself into. Who the fukk is Mcguigan to try and take Valero's career away before it's time? To put pressure on Valero by saying it's for the sake of Boxing is fukked up. And wrong. Boxing is a brutal sport. Valero isn't any more at risk than any other fighter. He can't get a US license cuz everybody is just looking out for themselves. Nobody wants the finger pointed at them if something were to happen to him. Doesn't mean he's in any more danger than normal.
Mcguigan needs to watch the Vincente Mosquera fight. A fight in which Valero took his share of punches without falling and dying. It don't need to be Pacquiao or Mayweather to test him. Mosquera tested him just fine
I dont know, something happened 6 months ago here in Guernsey thats a similar type of thing.
A woman with epilepsy had just passed a load of tests to say she was fit to drive, the next day she had a fit and jammed her foot on the throttle and smashed a young bloke on a motor scooter while he was in a queue of traffic, the man died instantly, the woman was fine.
She had epilepsy but passed the relevant tests, Valero has passed tests to fight but it might not be long before he has an injury.
How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
At the end of the day it's not up to Barry Mcguigan, I agree - it's not his health.
But it is a valid point - I doubt that the Scooter/Car industry has came under much fire because of that colision, think the point he was making was more about the reliability of such complex tests/conditions.
Can't say I agree with Barry Mcguigan but I do get were he is shooting from... boxing isn't exactly enjoying the popularity it once was (does seem to be growing again mind...) a fatality isn't really what it needs right now... whether it's right or not, or more risky than other sports doesn't matter... reactionary types always jump on it at any chance they can.
I do wonder why, if he is really bothered - does he have to say this publicly? If he was genuinley concerned why not say so privately? This seems like he's wanting to help his image to help his promotions perhaps?
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Originally Posted by skel1983
The woman passed the tests required to drive but knew she has eplilepsy, Valero has passed the tests to fight but knows he has a brain injury, something could happen to him as he ups the class of opponent.
Well yes & no. The physical consequences would only hurt Valero. But could you imagine the psychological consequences his opponent would suffer if he seriously hurts or (God forbid) kills Valero because of this? Everyone wants to win but nobody wants to pay that price.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
It is a very complex subject though.
everyone who throws and takes a punch knows this. No one goes in expecting it to happen and the chances are very slim that it ever will.
To try and take away? ;D Your overacting just a little bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I think the writer is speaking to all boxing fans and doctors/commisioners/licensers et al. None of us have the right to restrict Valeros right to box, but the people in power listen to the public for moral guidance.
I'll be the first to say I would not grant him a boxing licence if it were up to me. No way in hell I am playing God. Look at HolmCall's recent post about upsets, and there's another scenario I wouldn't go for, professionals beating the tar out of guys who've never laced gloves up in Thailand.
Honestly people put yourselves in the shoes of the man granting. Do you think you could do it?
Lastly, of COURSE it would have a huge impact on boxing if Valero died in the ring. The scrutiny would go well past all this PED stuff. I really like watching this guy fight, and at the end of the day it's good that it's up to him. I'm just glad he trains hard, looks good and fights to win.
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Originally Posted by knodaledgeWell yes & no. The physical consequences would only hurt Valero. But could you imagine the psychological consequences his opponent would suffer if he seriously hurts or (God forbid) kills Valero because of this? Everyone wants to win but nobody wants to pay that price.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983How the hell is that even similar?? The woman is putting other people at risk not only herself she is accountable for everyone around her when she drives, Valero like VD said is a grown man if he has passed the tests but still knows the risks and he is happy with that imo it's up to him. He has only himself to answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
It is a very complex subject though.
Not any more than Mcguigan. For the sake of Boxing? Come on nowQuote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieTo try and take away? ;D Your overacting just a little bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Fair Do's ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNot any more than Mcguigan. For the sake of Boxing? Come on nowQuote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieTo try and take away? ;D Your overacting just a little bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I just put that down to his little Irish accent.. '' For the sake of Boxing!''... Like when i say ''For Christ sake''!
I don't literally mean ''For the betterment of the memory of Jesus, our Lord & Saviour'' :D
I've never seen a single one of his articles where McGuigan isn't spouting complete unadulterated bullshit. I don't have the memories of him as a fighter, seeing as I was a toddler when he quit boxing, so aside from being impressed by his old fights, he's always come over as complete knob to me.
Approaching a decade after that incident, If he got punched in the head and died tomorrow. I'd still be looking at the last 6 months to 2 years of his life for lingering health problems. To go back to something that happened 9 years ago looking for a reason aside from him being punched in the head for the last 10 years... is a bit of a stretch. As others have said, he's a grown man and knows the consequences of his actions.
After an incident like that, fighting on could be seen as living your life or tempting fate. Tempting fate can be a dangerous game... but its worth the gamble when you weigh spending the rest of your life living vs. spending the rest of your life wishing because you're afraid to do anything because it could kill you.
I see Barrys point....Years ago when I first started here I wrote something on M esi when he was dealing w his issues and had just gotten licensed....Yes these are grown men who know the severity of what could happen but again they don't KNOW the severity of what could happen...If many fighters truly understood what could happen due to boxing we would have many many less fighters....
I remember how many guys would not go see the G-Man even those who were his good friends due to the fact they did not want the reminder that it could be them....
Guys need to make a living and as champions they are just starting to9 make the real money they have been aspiring for so they want to chance it...Some are in a Catch 22 situation..they will not be able to provide for their families well enough with a regular job so they keep at it hoping this is not the night things go wrong...Tough tough way to make a living
I admire the courage of the physician who cleared Valero to get a boxing license in Texas. He may be opening himself up for medical malpractice in case something terrible or tragic do happen.
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Originally Posted by ross
If she was driving a Toyota she has an out and can blame it on the car:Sarcasm:
He shouldn't be fighting. The guy has had a serious accident and that has had an impact upon his life. He can pretend to be a boxer, whilst ignoring his own accident, but that would not be wise. Maybe we should leave him to his own devices, but is that fair if it goes wrong? I don't think so.
I believe Barry had the misfortune to have an opponent die before he was a champ. He has always been in favour of conservative stoppages.
He has experienced something that would see a lot of us think differently