...dude lost again tonight. Mid-as-well break his fnf gear out. That's the only place we'll probably see him again.
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...dude lost again tonight. Mid-as-well break his fnf gear out. That's the only place we'll probably see him again.
Guys a statistic waiting to happen.Thought he should have retired after ugly scary lose months back on fnf.
Agreed Spicoli, I'm not sure if it was the Maussa fight that did it, but ever since his legs just have not been there. He almost got KO'd when he fought some journeyman at that medieval castle place years ago and hasn't improved his condition since.
Yeah, Vivian Harris is a sad hype job. Remember when there were screams that Mayweather was dodging him? Emmanual Steward was even saying Harris was the best shot to beat Mayweather. Then ol' Vivian goes and gets knocked out by Maussa, the tune up, on the Mayweather/Gatti card.
Who the hell put him in against Matthysse? That guy has very heavy hands, say him on a TyC stream a few times, he's absolutely brutal. Harris is gonna end in the hospital again, he should have been out after that FNF debacle down in Tuscon.
But yet here he is 6 months later against one of the hardest hitters in the division (2nd to only Urango IMO)
I've never seen this Matthysse fight before but he didn't look that great against Harris. Not 4 rounds into the fight Matthysse had his right eye closed up and looked exhausted. I just saw the fight and I have to say that Vivian Harris got JOBBED! That was the worst stoppage I have ever seen! Neither fighter knew what the referee was doing. I thought the referee was just breaking them or something was wrong. I don't have high hopes for Vivian as a fighter but he definitely didn't get stopped in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by blegitI've never seen this Matthysse fight before but he didn't look that great against Harris. Not 4 rounds into the fight Matthysse had his right eye closed up and looked exhausted. I just saw the fight and I have to say that Vivian Harris got JOBBED! That was the worst stoppage I have ever seen! Neither fighter knew what the referee was doing. I thought the referee was just breaking them or something was wrong. I don't have high hopes for Vivian as a fighter but he definitely didn't get stopped in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Beat me to it man. Although I agree with the sentiment that Harris is a flight risk in the ring, you really can't object to this fight taking place, or use it as evidence for the fact. It was a good matchup on paper, and a fun little fight while it lasted, very competitive. The stoppage was indeed extremely poor. It looked like Harris was on his way out of there, he was getting the worst of it for sure in the 3rd and 4th, but he didn't get stopped, and landed his own share of good punches.
I agree I have seen Mattyse only a few times but to me he has never overwhelmed me, kind of 1 dimensional.
It really was a terrible stoppage:Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI've never seen this Matthysse fight before but he didn't look that great against Harris. Not 4 rounds into the fight Matthysse had his right eye closed up and looked exhausted. I just saw the fight and I have to say that Vivian Harris got JOBBED! That was the worst stoppage I have ever seen! Neither fighter knew what the referee was doing. I thought the referee was just breaking them or something was wrong. I don't have high hopes for Vivian as a fighter but he definitely didn't get stopped in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpOgiC7LfU
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Originally Posted by CFHIt really was a terrible stoppage:Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI've never seen this Matthysse fight before but he didn't look that great against Harris. Not 4 rounds into the fight Matthysse had his right eye closed up and looked exhausted. I just saw the fight and I have to say that Vivian Harris got JOBBED! That was the worst stoppage I have ever seen! Neither fighter knew what the referee was doing. I thought the referee was just breaking them or something was wrong. I don't have high hopes for Vivian as a fighter but he definitely didn't get stopped in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpOgiC7LfU
That was a horrible stoppage, no denying it.
Shit makes me want to puke...
it's one of the worst stoppage I've seen these last years.
Even in the amateur we don't see such premature stoppage, so for a guy who has been a world champ. I wonder how the officials at ringside may say they do love boxing...
His one dimension can cause concussions though. Harris hasn't looked well at all lately and even though the stoppage was premature, Matthysse was starting to have his way and landing his shots nothing good could have come from that going on longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Maybe its with the full benefit of hindsight seeing Harris get hurt and badly effected by so so shots in recent outings... and possibly the ref is guilty of the same....but I'm in the minority here.I dont think it was an atrocious stoppage at all.Harris frankly is showing signs of a shot fighter and acting on instinct slash memory in there.He had a prevention posture and the last portion of round he was backing and clearly 'effected' by shots and opponents offense in one way or another...he looked stiff,stood straight up and the guy was beginning to punch 'through' anything Harris offered in the last round.Was a KO in the making and right around the corner if you ask me.Might be a case of a guys past held against him but I'll take that over what we saw his last appearance on FNF's and taking out on a stretcher.He needs to get out Imo...now.
I completely agree Spicoli but at the same time I don't agree, kind of. Top that wishy-washy-ness, I don't know, let me explain, with more commas ;D
Anyways, I agree that to me Vivian Harris' fighting legs seem to be in frighteningly bad shape. He may have been giving this kid hell with his fists but I mean look at how he moves around, it's something you notice in person moreso then anything but the sound of the punches. Vivian Harris should just retire. This is only my opinion, bu Whenever you see a guy leaning forward into punches that's never a good sign it's just a sign that they can barely hang in and plus he just bounced way off the ropes, it's eery and kind of scary.
With that said, Harris was landing a lot and did a lot of his own damage. Tricky situation, I don't think the stoppage itself was right but I can see the referee trying to be extra cautious.
Watched all this fight and is wasn't too bad atall, Harris was always throwin back but Matthysse just wore him down. Very quick stoppage but i'd say that if there was a worry about Harris' safety then his corner should have stepped in for sure, not the ref.
The weirdest thing was that I didn't see Harris laying down enough leather to close Matthysse' eye up that bad. Anyway, I think Matthysse if matched right could be in a few wars, but aside from that I'd say he'd get comfortably outboxed by someone like Paulie. I'd like to see him in with someone like Maidana or Urango, that could be fun, and I say he'd certainly give Bradley somethin to think about....
This is Vivian Harris' last fight. This stoppage is so bad, that it makes you think there is some type of fraud involved with this ref.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpOgiC7LfU
Vivian Harris was the victim of a terrible stoppage - ESPN
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ks-coming.html
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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Yeah, I can not think of a worse stoppage that I've seen.
It's not the worst, a bit of an obscure one but does anyone remember Guillermo Jones-Wayne Brathwaite? That stoppage was much worse imo and there are others. It's not fair to Harris at all I admit, but given his track record I can't throw my hands up and complain because you have to include the recent history of Harris in my opinion, I'd just rather see Harris retire.
That was a joke. I thought I might be able to defend the ref before seeing it :-\
Terrible stoppage or not, dude is done. Vivian's own promoters put him in this fight to showcase mattyse. He had little chance of winning soon as he signed to fight. Once again...mr harris thanks for coming.
Yeah but his still deserves a fair chance. That was fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Has nothing at all on Lonnie Beasley vs Julio c Green.A literal theft.....Weaver/Dokes 1 ?But even Weaver was not throwing back?Def not the worst stoppage 'ever'.Really?
first post!!
ye what a fix up, seen some shocking decisions in the past but this!!