Boxing: HBO: Klitschkos confuse fans
Are you fucking kidding me? Are people really that stupid? I have a very hard time believe this is why they won't televise the Klitschko - Chambers fight.
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Boxing: HBO: Klitschkos confuse fans
Are you fucking kidding me? Are people really that stupid? I have a very hard time believe this is why they won't televise the Klitschko - Chambers fight.
To answer your question, yes people can be that stupid. But really, wlad just has a boring style. It does not make great exciting drama, hence no HBO fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
While I don't disagree with you, I find is somewhat odd that a guy who knocks almost everyone he fights out and who is always in danger of being knocked out himself actually manages to be a boring fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogTo answer your question, yes people can be that stupid. But really, wlad just has a boring style. It does not make great exciting drama, hence no HBO fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
that's because fighters like that tend to be safety first.
Which sort of contradicts the fact that in championship fights he's either knocked out or has been knocked in 14 of 16 bouts. or may its 12-2(10) can't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
how is it contradicting? one thing I would say about Wlad is that he's aptly named Dr.Steelhammer.
take the tony thompson fight. a horrible fight completely devoid of any skill from either fighter. Wlad ends it with a single punch.
he saps his opponents' strength when he holds. he even jabs to set up clinches. he doesn't throw uppercuts because it leaves him open. he doesn't even step in to throw lefthooks because that leaves him open. wlad right now is the definition of a safety first fighter.
Because Wlad fights like John Ruiz with power. Jab and grab for 8 rounds and then knocking them out late.
I am amazed that they've never been warned for holding.
This ring magazine article gives great insight why HBO didn't pick up this fight.
The fact Klitschko-Chambers is not on U.S. TV is a new low
And I have to say I agree with the article.
Wlad just reminds me a lot of a Larry Holmes. A very good technical HW champion, but boring as fuk and reigning in a weak era. There's a reason why Holmes couldn't draw flies to his bouts and actually had to have a 50/50 purse split when he fought Gerry Cooney and was introduced 1st, which always is reserve for the challenger in boxing tradition.
Most boxing fans want the HW champ to be exciting like a Johnson, Dempsey, Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Holyfield, etc. They don't want robotic technically sound safety 1st HW champs.
Larry Holmes never grabbed his opponents for most of the bout when he had every advantage over them, look at his fight with Ken Norton or Shavers.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
The difference between Holmes and Wladimer is night and day.
I know a heck of a lot of people who claim to be fight fans yet would not be able to tell you which is the elder brother.
It sounds retarded to us on here but if someone asked someone with a very vain knowledge of soccer to pick out the gary from the 2 nevilles they`d find it a hard thing to do.
This situation is unique in that they have both been blessed with incredible physical structures and have been able to combine that with some very good solid boxing, not classy stuff not good on the eye. But good old eastern european efficency.
It will take an old style heavyweight, 6`2, 220pounds of lean muscle to take 1 if not both of these guys out before countrys like the US/UK can even begin to get the sport back on track again.
My fear is that wont happen. We may simply just have to wait for both to call it a day and then start again with the hope that future WBC/WBO heavyweight champions of the world arent lard arsed uzbekistanis/lithuanians
You know, I wish more points would be taken away in fights for excessive holding. It's not fun to watch and blatant clinching and holding on without doing anything more is not inside fighting. People like Klistchko and old man Hopkins are just horrible to watch at times. Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Funny how the Kamedas don't have this issue in Japan.
i agree fighters need to be penalised more for holdingQuote:
Originally Posted by milesYou know, I wish more points would be taken away in fights for excessive holding. It's not fun to watch and blatant clinching and holding on without doing anything more is not inside fighting. People like Klistchko and old man Hopkins are just horrible to watch at times. Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
****remembers who his favourite fighter is****
****slowly backs out of thread****
And...Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWhich sort of contradicts the fact that in championship fights he's either knocked out or has been knocked in 14 of 16 bouts. or may its 12-2(10) can't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
To be fair in the book by Mary Shelley there was only one of them created in the laboratory so when HBO viewers see two of them it's understandable that it's a little confusing.
Same was said about Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis and basically anyone that's not Mike Tyson. I've heard it about everyone and really the people that believe Wlad is boring are the people that don't understand how difficult it actually is to be that dominant of a fighter. Could Wlad add some flash and some danger to his style? Sure, but why would he handicap himself? Nobody would have asked Tyson to fight like Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
The reason the fight isn't being shown in the US is because the US has a lack of respect for the heavyweight division because the average "sports fan" doesn't think there are any Americans in the hunt for the title, and that's very disrespectful to guys like Eddie Chambers whom although may be a pudgey cruiserweight he's very skilled and he should have earned some respect.
But make no doubt about it the Klitschko's are a big deal in Europe and Wlad will have asses in the seats on Saturday.
Don Steinberg on ESPN.com said "Klitschko is 14-2 with 12 KOs in title fights. It sounds exciting, but the fights have been dreary. (Against Ray Austin in 2007, Klitschko won by TKO in Round 2 without ever throwing a right hand.)"
Yeah...."dreary"...that describes the Austin fight :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4
I'm sorry that KO is pretty well worth the time they spent "feeling each other out". Wlad showed a solid jab and good defense up until the KO but it just shows you when Wlad knows he can finish someone he does it. His fight with Calvin Brock was also pretty good as well.
Most of the people that hate on Wlad either have another heavyweight they like or they don't want to admit that Wlad has top notch boxing skill despite having flaws that would have derailed the careers of lesser skilled fighters.
Notice that boxing goes into a funk in AMerica when the HW champ is not exciting? Americans expect the HW champ to be a Dempsey, Marciano, ALi, Tyson, Holyfield, etc. An exciting champ, not some robotic cautious pawing giant. I think Larry Merchant put it best when he said, "Boxing is drama and theater." I see no drama or theater with Wlad. And a lot of people would agree with me on that, not just the casual fight fan but amongst hardcore followers of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleSame was said about Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis and basically anyone that's not Mike Tyson. I've heard it about everyone and really the people that believe Wlad is boring are the people that don't understand how difficult it actually is to be that dominant of a fighter. Could Wlad add some flash and some danger to his style? Sure, but why would he handicap himself? Nobody would have asked Tyson to fight like Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
The reason the fight isn't being shown in the US is because the US has a lack of respect for the heavyweight division because the average "sports fan" doesn't think there are any Americans in the hunt for the title, and that's very disrespectful to guys like Eddie Chambers whom although may be a pudgey cruiserweight he's very skilled and he should have earned some respect.
But make no doubt about it the Klitschko's are a big deal in Europe and Wlad will have asses in the seats on Saturday.
At first I thought it was the American thing, but Pacquiao ain't American he doesn't seem to have a problem bringing people to Cowboys stadium or people paying to see his PPVs doesn't he? And he's not a HW but a WW.
In that ring article I posted on page 1, Goosen makes a good point in that if Wlad was an exciting HW champ he would be all over tv, times square, etc. But the truth of the matter he's not exciting. And really I don't think him not being American has anything to do with it.
Luckily for Wlad fans, you can see his entire career on video as it has been implemented in this piece of literature:
http://www.healthyguides.net/photo/I...Remedies_s.jpg
LEwis was even more of a bore with his relentless grabbing but peoples didn't complain that much, there is really 2 weights 2 measures when it comes to Wlad and Vitali.Quote:
Originally Posted by USAalltheway
Lennox wasn't that boring when he destroyed Frans Botha and Andrew Golota in ONE ROUND.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessLEwis was even more of a bore with his relentless grabbing but peoples didn't complain that much, there is really 2 weights 2 measures when it comes to Wlad and Vitali.Quote:
Originally Posted by USAalltheway
Or fought Holyfield twice.
Or KO'd Tyson.
Or viciously avenged his defeat to Rahman.
Only time he really bored me was against Tua.
Just bout all of Wlad's fights are like the Tua fight... :-\
When you KO somebody in one round, you don't really have the time to be boring because you do not have the time to be really exciting neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkLennox wasn't that boring when he destroyed Frans Botha and Andrew Golota in ONE ROUND.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessLEwis was even more of a bore with his relentless grabbing but peoples didn't complain that much, there is really 2 weights 2 measures when it comes to Wlad and Vitali.Quote:
Originally Posted by USAalltheway
Or fought Holyfield twice.
Or KO'd Tyson.
Or viciously avenged his defeat to Rahman.
Only time he really bored me was against Tua.
Just bout all of Wlad's fights are like the Tua fight... :-\
Fights against Holyfield were as boring as it can be with a multiple grab configuration that made me cursed to have paid for such fight. At least, Wlad is not holding as much, peoples just don't like the piston a like jab and the safe style but I fail to see how Wlad is more boring than Lewis.
Lennox had his exciting moments same as anyone else, but with Wladimir nobody ever even acknowledges anything positive Wladimir does. I don't expect you to come around and start to like Wladimir, Hulk. I can only hope the Klitschko bashing ebbs with time. There are times when I get a little impatient with the way Wlad fights (Rahman, Sultan, Chagaev) but I'm never not impressed by how Wlad stymies such fighters. But recently Wladimir's opponents have come to the ring to cash out, they haven't tried to win, they haven't done anything other than try to survive and there's not much Wlad can do about his opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
The last fighter that actually FOUGHT Wladimir and tried to win was Tony Thompson and before that Calvin Brock gave Wlad as good of a fight as he could muster. Other than that recently guys have just been trying to survive, but should Wlad let his guard down entirely the consequences could be very severe.
As for comparing Wlad to American heavyweights, you just can't expect Wlad to fight like Dempsey or Tyson it's moronic. Even when Wlad opened up the offense in the past (before he switched trainers) he hasn't gotten any respect.
Wlad has sorry opponents, yes this is true. But he should take them out like he did Ray Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleLennox had his exciting moments same as anyone else, but with Wladimir nobody ever even acknowledges anything positive Wladimir does. I don't expect you to come around and start to like Wladimir, Hulk. I can only hope the Klitschko bashing ebbs with time. There are times when I get a little impatient with the way Wlad fights (Rahman, Sultan, Chagaev) but I'm never not impressed by how Wlad stymies such fighters. But recently Wladimir's opponents have come to the ring to cash out, they haven't tried to win, they haven't done anything other than try to survive and there's not much Wlad can do about his opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
The last fighter that actually FOUGHT Wladimir and tried to win was Tony Thompson and before that Calvin Brock gave Wlad as good of a fight as he could muster. Other than that recently guys have just been trying to survive, but should Wlad let his guard down entirely the consequences could be very severe.
As for comparing Wlad to American heavyweights, you just can't expect Wlad to fight like Dempsey or Tyson it's moronic. Even when Wlad opened up the offense in the past (before he switched trainers) he hasn't gotten any respect.
He likes to jab, jab, jab, then jab some more, and occasionally throw a right hand or God forbid a left hook.
He holds back because he is scared to death to open up and risk exchanging and being countered.
His saftey first style combined with fighting guys who are too scared themselves to really bring the fight to him and clueless of how to slip a jab and get inside make some terrible fights.