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Pacquiao "I don't need Mayweather"
By Dennis Principe
In what is so far his strongest message against bitter rival Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Filipino boxing sensation Manny Pacquiao said he considers his legacy in boxing as already cemented that he sees no need to fight the undefeated American boxer. Pacquiao made this declaration in a mini-press conference held during his courtesy call to President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo at the Malacanang Palace moments after the pound-for-pound king arrived in the country Monday morning. “Our records will show I have beaten far better fighters compared to Mayweather. I’ve stated before that I am willing to fight him if that’s what the fans want to see. But if the fight doesn’t happen, I’m fine with it,” said Pacquiao.
Late last year talks about a Pacquiao-Mayweather bout went full steam until a stringent demand by the undefeated American that they both undergo Olympic-style blood testing messed up what would have been one of the sport’s most anticipated match-ups.
Mayweather has made countless allegations that Pacquiao used Performance-Enhancing Drugs (PED) to increase the chances of the seven-time world champion against bigger foes in moving up in weight from a skinny light flyweight all the way up to the welterweight division.
“He needs me more than I need him. If he wants the fight then let’s do it. I’m clean because I get my strength through hardwork and my faith in God,” said Pacquiao.
Mayweather is out to prove his point both in boxing skills and his aim of establishing new standard in drug testing when he battles fellow American Shane Mosley on May 1 in Las Vegas.
For their 12-round battle, Mayweather and Mosley have agreed to a no-advance-notice urine and blood testing to be conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).
“I pick Mosley to win that fight because he can throw a lot of punches compared to Mayweather who’s a very defensive boxer. Defense can’t win fights especially against a fighter like Mosley who relies on speed,” said Pacquiao.
Pacquiao meanwhile has indicated his willingness to hang-up his gloves especially now that his already illustrious mother Dionisia is more vocal than ever in earnestly seeing his son retire for good.
“That’s something that I am seriously considering because I’m sure you do not want to see me end up being a beaten man, right? I know I can still compete but it’s better to retire while I’m still healthy and enjoy my success with our countrymen,” said Pacquiao.
Pacquiao, a congressional candidate in the coming May elections, recently defended World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight crown via a 12-round decision winover Ghanaian Joshua Clottey in front of 51,000 paying fans last March 14 at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
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If what he says is true then what a little biitch!!
He is absolutely of of shiit!
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~This makes it look as though Pac does not want to fight Mayweather.
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This is the problem.. Too much pride from each fighter,,, both think they don't need the other for their record to stand out,,, both don't need each other for money,,, neither is going to want to back down regarding the drug testing issue..
The fans want it because it makes THE most sense for BOXING, and for EACH OF THESE FIGHTERS..... They may not be scared to take the others punches, but they are sure scared of something... Perhaps losing to the other, or I don't know..
This is pathetic childish stuff..
When every man and his dog wants this fight and it makes more sense than any other fight in the whole of boxing at this current moment,,, for a either of these fighters to go on record saying they don't need this fight, is showing they don't care about boxing as much as they should, or used to...
In the end they can do what they want and fight who they want and who's anyone to say that is entirely wrong..
But these two guys aren't fooling anyone with this type of talk... Just sack up the both of you and put on a show for the people who've paid for every PPV and every ticket to put you where you are today.. Loyal people who are still sticking by you.. If you don't want the fight, be honest and give it to us straight... But don't feed us this crap about not needing the fight..
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Doesn't need Mayweather? Maybe.
Doesn't want Mayweather? It's looking more and more that way.
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Mayweather came out of retirement to.... rid boxing of Manny Pacquiao because he believes that he is... the face of boxing! Kudos for that, he seems to have succeeded.
The face of boxing, legendary fighter, Floyd Mayweather Jr., likewise wants to clean the sport of boxing through a more stringent measure in the conventions for dope testing. Kudos again... he sure has had these adjustments ready in place and standardized for future events.
Congatulations are in order, for Floyd is quite successful in his quests. I can respect that.
It is too bad tho', lamentable, that not everyone can share the flexibilty necessary to accomodate these new changes from PBF Jr., the "master".
To some inquiring minds, they're quite baffled and stumped. They cannot comprehend that not everyone sees PBF jr as his master, thereby are non conformists to his demands, and are unrelenting with stubborness just to be their own man.
Pacquiao the "little man" is one of these men, now misunderstood with this stance.
Everyone seems to think ill of him walking away from a possible $40 million dollar fight. "Man from the street" says to just compromise his standards, and undergo these tests as prescribed by the master, and so do pad the pocket for more coins.... $40 million coins.
Pac just plainly says no. Clearly he values himself more than the extra coins, and so too values more the struggles and what he has fought for all these trying years, a little bit more.
It is not baffling to me, nor incomprehensible. If boxing owes Manny for even a tiniest bit, they sure could give him that, give him the benefit of a doubt. Respect what he believes.
I can respect that.
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this is the tagalog/filipino version of the interview, this is what actually came out of pacs mouth.
“Baka malay mo baka hindi na ako umabot doon [fight with Mayweather]. Baka mag-retiro na ako. Eh yung Mama [Dionisia Pacquiao] ko, nagmakaawa daw siya para lang ako huminto sa boxing so pag-uusapan namin,”
you have no idea if im still going to fight pbf, cause i might retire soon. my mom has been begging me to stop fighting and i and my family will talk about it.
“Kahit naman wala ‘yung eleksyon, walang pulitlika, depende na sa desisyon naming pamilya. Matagal na kasi ako, matagal na rin sa boxing. Marami na akong nabigay na karangalan sa ating bansa,”
its not about politics and the elections the decision to quit depends on my family. ive been in boxing for some quite time now, and ive already given many honor for our country.
“Syempre after kay Cotto nakiusap ako sa Mama ko, ‘Isang laban pa.' Pinagbigyan niya ako. Sa ngayon, paano pa ako makiusap ulit? Ano bang sabihin ko?”
after cotto, i begged my mom to let me fight one more time. she said yes, but now how will i ask again? what will i say now?
“Talagang mahirap na laban ‘yung nakaraan dahil si Clottey, grabe, puro depensa lang. Matibay din, ‘di naman siya nakikipagpalitan ng suntok masyado sa akin,”
it was a hard fight the last fight with clottey. all he did was to cover up, he is tough but he didnt traded punches with me.
‘Di naman siguro ako maghamon dahil sila naman ang may kailangan. Nakamit ko ang pangarap ko sa boxing ko without Floyd Mayweather in my boxing career so walang dapat kailangang i-hamon sa kaniya,”
“Ako naman open ako lumaban sa kaniya. Anytime ako puwedeng lumaban sa kahit sinong boksingero basta pareho ang timbang, magkaroon ng approval sa bawat promoter. Anytime, puwede ako lumaban basta gusto niya lumaban.”
i dont think i need to call him out cause they are the ones who needs this fight. i have achieved my dreams in boxing w/o pbf in my career. so i really dont need to call him out.
for me im open to fight him anytime i can fight any boxer as long as we are in the same weight. should have approvals from both promoters. anytime, i can fight as long as he wants too.
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I'm far from a Pacquiao apologist, but he's right. His legacy is secure without a Mayweather fight. Would his resume look even more impressive with a victory or close loss to Mayweather? Absolutely, but it looks pretty goddamn good without him as well.
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I am on Pac's side on this one. Pac doesnt need mayweather and shouldnt have to deal with his rediculous demands. If you look back on Pacs career he has never dodged anyone, he has never been afraid to lose. Why would he change when fighting mayweather?
Floyd is the one that is broke and could benefit from the money this megafight would generate.
And to show that I am just not a Pac fan, I think Floyd will beat Pac when they fight. I think Floyd is just being a spoiled crybaby and this is why people dont give him respect.
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Pac doesnt need mayweather and shouldnt have to deal with his rediculous demands
Don't put an "s" on the word "demand" when it comes to Mayweather. He only asked for an Olympic style blood test while Pac and his team demanded many things.
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If you look back on Pacs career he has never dodged anyone, he has never been afraid to lose
He only dodged having his blood tested Olympic style which Shane Mosley had Floyd Mayweather have already agreed to take equally for the upcoming fight.
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Floyd is the one that is broke and could benefit from the money this megafight would generate
I am pretty sure Floyd has generated more money than Pac. Has Pac made enough money in just one fight as Mayweather vs De La Hoya?
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And to show that I am just not a Pac fan, I think Floyd will beat Pac when they fight. I think Floyd is just being a spoiled crybaby and this is why people dont give him respect
Like it has been said before. Look at Floyd's demand compared to all the demands Pac and his team asked for. Something journalists seem to ignore as well as Pac's suspicious excuses on not taking a blood test olympic style.
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What were the list of demands Pacquaio made?
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What were the list of demands Pacquaio made?
don't have a link but off the top of my head, $25 million upfront, $10 million each pound over the 147 limit, gloves, and that's all i can remember
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well they each demanded at the least 50-50 and that was worked out so financially its hard to say one guy made demands, they both did and it was worked out.
Manny made a gloves demand (I guess, I wasn't keeping up with it at the time) and Mayweather dictated where the fight was going to be by refusing to fight in Dallas, presumably so he could use his hand medicine in Las Vegas. Or maybe he doesn't like Texas, I don't either.
So they basically made one big demand. Floyd accepted and Manny didn't. Floyd looks better.
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What were the list of demands Pacquaio made?
don't have a link but off the top of my head, $25 million upfront, $10 million each pound over the 147 limit, gloves, and that's all i can remember
Even if it was just those three, its 3 compared to just one: the olympic style blood test which BOTH would take. Simple math. Pac makes more than 3 demands, Floyd makes one and even agrees to 50/50 (which is hard to believe). Who is making more demands?
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LOL at the idea that 50/50 was a Manny "demand." My God. This is why I stayed away from the hell hole that was the Manny/Floyd forum.
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LOL at the idea that 50/50 was a Manny "demand." My God. This is why I stayed away from the hell hole that was the Manny/Floyd forum.
agree, nothing but 50/50 split made sense, but he is right that Manny did make more demands than Mayweather
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i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!
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$10 million per pound over 147 was a big joke. I can't believe how many people took that seriously. I bet Team Floyd pissed themselves when they heard it, just like Team Pac were pissing themselves when they came up with it.
When has Floyd struggled to make 147?
It was clearly a reaction to Floyd coming in at 146 against Marquez after agreeing to 144. That's 146. A pound under 147.
This is a total non-issue.
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i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!
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$10 million per pound over 147 was a big joke. I can't believe how many people took that seriously. I bet Team Floyd pissed themselves when they heard it, just like Team Pac were pissing themselves when they came up with it.
When has Floyd struggled to make 147?
It was clearly a reaction to Floyd coming in at 146 against Marquez after agreeing to 144. That's 146. A pound under 147.
This is a total non-issue.
LOGIC.
I don't know why the anti-Pacquaio brigade can't just stick to the most obvious attack point, that he refused to take the drug test. After all Manny's dictated to other fighters like Cotto so what's the harm in being dictated to a little here, just take the drug test and move on. But all this other shit is getting ridiculously blown out of proportion (shocker), its not as if Manny demanded it be at 145 or demanded 60/40 or anything major. If I remember correctly in some other post Chino complained about Manny dictating the date of the fight, LOL.
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i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
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Yeah he does! Idiot!
Very good breakdown! You're quite the intelligent one:)
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im pretty sure pac wont retire, he only said that cause he is now actively running for congress!
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I disagree that he doesn't need Mayweather.
There are question marks against almost all of their big wins/fights in the eyes of both fighters detractors.
This is the only fight in which nobody can say a damn thing about the winner of the fight - They will go down as the fighter of this era with no excuses.
For Pacquiao to say he doesn't need Mayweather or vice versa, both are sorely mistaken.
I think each of them has 1 fighter where nothing can be said to take away from the win - Mayweather has Corales when both were up there in the p4p ranks and Manny has Barrera (1st fight).
The rest of the fights are either controversial wins, people make issues about weight or whether the opponent was in their prime.
There are usually for and against arguements for these opponents (rightfully or wrongfully).
Mayweather vs Pacquiao is the fight to secure one mans legacy as THE BEST - They both have a good legacy now but if they don't fight before the end of their careers, people will argue who THE BEST of this era was forever.
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Not sure if everyone considers this a big demand but one of Mayweather's demands was to for fight headline Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. instead of the other way around. Pretty sure it irked Pacquiao's camp since he's considered the the no 1. p4p fighter at the moment.
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Doesn't need Mayweather? Maybe.
Doesn't want Mayweather? It's looking more and more that way.
Yeah well put, you sort of got that sense from Manny and Roach the whole time imo. Real shame if this fight doesn't happen.
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Sweet does this mean we can talk about the rest of boxing now. Pacquiao has done a lot for the sport, if he wants to retire he's earned it. Suspicions aside, he has had an amazing career. If he doesn't want to fight Mayweather, then don't, I just don't want to see another round of failed negotiations that turns members of this board against each other like rivaling tribes over the last scrap of food.
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Sweet does this mean we can talk about the rest of boxing now. Pacquiao has done a lot for the sport, if he wants to retire he's earned it. Suspicions aside, he has had an amazing career. If he doesn't want to fight Mayweather, then don't, I just don't want to see another round of failed negotiations that turns members of this board against each other like rivaling tribes over the last scrap of food.
agreed here.. lots of f**cking crybabies, f**cking hypocrites, f**cking whiners, f**cking nut huggers, f**king haters stuff thrown around here lately, tsk tsk.. hehe.. there are about thousands++++ good fighters and very good fights to talk about other than those two primas.. damn.. im spending my time more on the off topic board now a days..
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i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.
You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
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It's true, Pacquiao does not need Mayweather. We all want to see it happen of course and it should when Mayweather beats Mosley. I don't think it will bother Pacman if it doesn't happen as his legacy is well assured.
Pacquiao has fought the best out there in recent years, from a rematch with Marquez (his toughest foe?) to De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto stopping all three of the latter. Now tell me honestly, if anyone here thought 3 years ago that Pacquiao would KO all 3 of those guys then we would have had you certified. Pac will fight the winner of Mayweather V Mosley, it's the only fight left for him.
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I do not defend Manny a lot. Although I am fan, I criticize him as much any other person. But this article is ridiculous and misleading. The translation is stupid and far out of context. MMC did a better job translating the true meaning. But of course, when a person speaks in Filipino it is so different in context and substance when translated in English literally. This is why Manny has been dubbed a "humble" guy from which many Filipinos believe he is not because of the language barrier that we have and how we construct sentences.
In this case, I don't see Manny avoiding Floyd. I see him as I have always seen him. A man clouded by his arrogance and pride. Not because he is avoiding Floyd. Manny will not win the elections and he will continue boxing.
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.
You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.
You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.
And I am sticking by facts. These are hard facts.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...1396-vote.html
Like I said, you and half this forum picked Cotto by victory, now he's a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked? Do you know what cherry picking means? It means that he's selectively picked an easy opponent that he can win.
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That's the poll right there isn't it? Now you're changing your tune? How come you didn't mention Cotto was a shot fighter and Pacquiao was cherry picking when you chose Cotto in that poll?
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Re: Pacquiao "I don't need Mayweather"
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i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
Even if he chooses to fight slick fighters like chris john or guzman, pac would easily beat them. I don't know why some posters think pac is avoiding guz. Guz lost to funeka. Funeka exposed guz so what do you think pac would do to him when they meet?
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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.
Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.
You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac.
I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.
Really? Does that mean you're a hypocrite? ;D
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this is Pride..but Pacquiao has a point..But on the other side, people are deprived of the fight that they want..:-\
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This is an interesting point. I assume he speaks more confidently in his native tongue. He does seem like a very different person when interviewed by a Filipino person (his mannerisms since I don't understand the language). I've also learned from personal experience with other languages that a lot is lost in translation.
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I do not defend Manny a lot. Although I am fan, I criticize him as much any other person. But this article is ridiculous and misleading. The translation is stupid and far out of context. MMC did a better job translating the true meaning. But of course, when a person speaks in Filipino it is so different in context and substance when translated in English literally. This is why Manny has been dubbed a "humble" guy from which many Filipinos believe he is not because of the language barrier that we have and how we construct sentences.
In this case, I don't see Manny avoiding Floyd. I see him as I have always seen him. A man clouded by his arrogance and pride. Not because he is avoiding Floyd. Manny will not win the elections and he will continue boxing.
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Why claim that someone "cherrypicked" his opponents throughout his career?
When in fact, we all know that it is their PROMOTERS and MANAGERS who had the final say about their fighter's options for match-ups,,more often, a fighter is just notified that he will fight this guy on a short notice...;)
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lets see....
Manny Pacquiao is currently the WBO World welterweight champion, Ring Magazine light welterweight champion, and is rated by Ring Magazine as the number 1 pound-for-pound boxer in the world. Pacquiao is also the former WBC World lightweight champion, WBC World super featherweight champion, IBF World super bantamweight champion, and WBC World flyweight champion. Furthermore, he is the former Ring Magazine featherweight and super featherweight champion.
Pacquiao is the first boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions. In addition, he is the only boxer to win the lineal championship in four different weight classes.
Floyd Joy Mayweather, Jr. From July 18, 2005 through June 2, 2008 he was rated by The Ring magazine as the number-one pound for pound boxer in the world. Mayweather has won six world boxing championships in five different boxing weight classes; he is the former WBC welterweight champion, a title he vacated upon his retirement. He was named Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year in 1998 and 2007.
Mayweather is undefeated with 40 wins including 25 by knockout.
hey look at that... floyd's middle name is joy. thats so nice!