All three judges in Dirrell Abraham fight from Michigan!

Mortgage job on The Martrix I think 11/5 looks very good now!!


Abraham camp not happy with this as they should be:

The Arthur Abraham camp is up in arms over the notion of three Michigan judges scoring King Arthur’s SUPER SIX fight against Andre Dirrell. Hall of Fame promoter Wilfried Sauerland told BILD, “Dirrell lives in Michigan. It’s unacceptable that the judges and the referee should also come from Michigan. I reject that.” Abraham trainer Uli Wegner stated that Abraham must win by KO to take it out of the hands of the judges.

It's not a title fight, I agree that there should be judges from at the very least out of state, but it's not required since there is no title on the line. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not illegal either.

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It's not a title fight, I agree that there should be judges from at the very least out of state, but it's not required since there is no title on the line. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not illegal either.

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Imagine this was the case in Europe/Uk we wouldn't here the end of it!!!

Absolute joke this, Abraham is being fucked up the arse royally here.

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It's not a title fight, I agree that there should be judges from at the very least out of state, but it's not required since there is no title on the line. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not illegal either.

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Imagine this was the case in Europe/Uk we wouldn't here the end of it!!!

Absolute joke this, Abraham is being fucked up the arse royally here.

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My statement would be the exact same if it happened in Tanzania, UK, Germany or anywhere. Don't pull that poor me Europe/UK shit either, it's gotten old.

It just makes you think twice on the outcome of the fight. I was going for Abraham on points since I think Dirrell will do another "Clottey" or basically will be even more cautious than against Froch. But now Abraham will also want the Ko more so its basically a pickem between Abraham KO, Dirrell points and Abraham points, but Im saying Abraham wins on the cards regardless of the judges

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Only in America. Fact.

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It's not a title fight, I agree that there should be judges from at the very least out of state, but it's not required since there is no title on the line. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not illegal either.

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Imagine this was the case in Europe/Uk we wouldn't here the end of it!!!

Absolute joke this, Abraham is being fucked up the arse royally here.

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My statement would be the exact same if it happened in Tanzania, UK, Germany or anywhere. Don't pull that poor me Europe/UK shit either, it's gotten old.

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I am not talking about you personally but as a whole we over here have a far worst rep for this sort of shit which is unfair.

Not really we never here the end of the " Dave Paris won Hatton the Kosta fight " on here, I think it's pretty safe to say Europe/UK has a worst rep than the Usa for this sort of thing which is very bias, Fenster did a thread about robberies in Europe/Usa a while back.

Guarantee if this was the case if Froch was fighting Dirrell in Nottingham and all three judges were from Nottingham aswell as the ref the abuse Froch would get would be off the scale.

just curious... why is the title not on the line?

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just curious... why is the title not on the line?

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None of them has a title. ;)

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Imagine this was the case in Europe/Uk we wouldn't here the end of it!!!

Absolute joke this, Abraham is being fucked up the arse royally here.

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My statement would be the exact same if it happened in Tanzania, UK, Germany or anywhere. Don't pull that poor me Europe/UK shit either, it's gotten old.

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I am not talking about you personally but as a whole we over here have a far worst rep for this sort of shit which is unfair.

Not really we never here the end of the " Dave Paris won Hatton the Kosta fight " on here, I think it's pretty safe to say Europe/UK has a worst rep than the Usa for this sort of thing which is very bias, Fenster did a thread about robberies in Europe/Usa a while back.

Guarantee if this was the case if Froch was fighting Dirrell in Nottingham and all three judges were from Nottingham aswell as the ref the abuse Froch would get would be off the scale.

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Froch/Dirrell was a title fight. You seem to have some weird opinion that there is no complaining about decisions, referees in America. Of course everyone outside of the US is very understanding about things like Cortez in the Hatton/Mayweather fight right?. This is boxing, bias happens everywhere. I am in no way insinuating that the US is less biased on things than anywhere else, but to state that somehow the general opinion is that you get called out more in the UK is ridiculous.

No matter if it is a title fight or not, I think that ethically it is not acceptable to put 3 backyard boys with their hometown boy. There might not be a "title" directly at stake but the end of the tournament is kinda VERY important and the difference between the one who wins and the one who loses could be played on a very small number of points, hence the importance of as much partiality as possible.

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My statement would be the exact same if it happened in Tanzania, UK, Germany or anywhere. Don't pull that poor me Europe/UK shit either, it's gotten old.

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I am not talking about you personally but as a whole we over here have a far worst rep for this sort of shit which is unfair.

Not really we never here the end of the " Dave Paris won Hatton the Kosta fight " on here, I think it's pretty safe to say Europe/UK has a worst rep than the Usa for this sort of thing which is very bias, Fenster did a thread about robberies in Europe/Usa a while back.

Guarantee if this was the case if Froch was fighting Dirrell in Nottingham and all three judges were from Nottingham aswell as the ref the abuse Froch would get would be off the scale.

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Froch/Dirrell was a title fight. You seem to have some weird opinion that there is no complaining about decisions, referees in America. Of course everyone outside of the US is very understanding about things like Cortez in the Hatton/Mayweather fight right?. This is boxing, bias happens everywhere. I am in no way insinuating that the US is less biased on things than anywhere else, but to state that somehow the general opinion is that you get called out more in the UK is ridiculous.

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First off the Froch/Dirrell fight was a hypothetical example, secondly what I have highlighted imo is very true not just on here but in general in the boxing world. Also I said Europe/Uk not just the UK.

Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

yea you're right. I feel pretty stupid now

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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I am not talking about you personally but as a whole we over here have a far worst rep for this sort of shit which is unfair.

Not really we never here the end of the " Dave Paris won Hatton the Kosta fight " on here, I think it's pretty safe to say Europe/UK has a worst rep than the Usa for this sort of thing which is very bias, Fenster did a thread about robberies in Europe/Usa a while back.

Guarantee if this was the case if Froch was fighting Dirrell in Nottingham and all three judges were from Nottingham aswell as the ref the abuse Froch would get would be off the scale.

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Froch/Dirrell was a title fight. You seem to have some weird opinion that there is no complaining about decisions, referees in America. Of course everyone outside of the US is very understanding about things like Cortez in the Hatton/Mayweather fight right?. This is boxing, bias happens everywhere. I am in no way insinuating that the US is less biased on things than anywhere else, but to state that somehow the general opinion is that you get called out more in the UK is ridiculous.

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First off the Froch/Dirrell fight was a hypothetical example, secondly what I have highlighted imo is very true not just on here but in general in the boxing world. Also I said Europe/Uk not just the UK.

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That's because of your bias. The US gets just as much shit for this as anyone else if not more.

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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I agree it's wrong, it's fucked up, but it's not against the rules. In hindsight Showtime should have used title rules for the entire tourney as per their own contract. And yes Showtime is trying to keep viable fighters/fights for the future, they need to do everything they can because HBO runs this game.

While its true that it is ridiculous all judges are hometown i dunno if it will effect this fight like some others. I was always of the opinion Dirrell was onna be KO'd or would win by a close decision anyway. It may in fact bring Abraham out of his shell a bt more and make for a more interesting fight.
It is all setup for a potential robbery as many have said tho, and something like that could really hurt the Super Six after the Froch-Dirrell controversy and Taylors withdrawal.

I thought the rules of the super six stated that the judges had to be from neutral countries :confused:

The first round fights all had judges from neutral countries and only the Ward-Kessler match had a hometown ref.

Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Arthur Abraham vs. Jermain Taylor - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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I agree it's wrong, it's fucked up, but it's not against the rules. In hindsight Showtime should have used title rules for the entire tourney as per their own contract.

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I can't believe Team Abraham will accept this (if true).. unless they are getting compensation

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Froch/Dirrell was a title fight. You seem to have some weird opinion that there is no complaining about decisions, referees in America. Of course everyone outside of the US is very understanding about things like Cortez in the Hatton/Mayweather fight right?. This is boxing, bias happens everywhere. I am in no way insinuating that the US is less biased on things than anywhere else, but to state that somehow the general opinion is that you get called out more in the UK is ridiculous.

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First off the Froch/Dirrell fight was a hypothetical example, secondly what I have highlighted imo is very true not just on here but in general in the boxing world. Also I said Europe/Uk not just the UK.

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That's because of your bias. The US gets just as much shit for this as anyone else if not more.

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Bias haha get the fuck out of here.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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I agree it's wrong, it's fucked up, but it's not against the rules. In hindsight Showtime should have used title rules for the entire tourney as per their own contract.

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I can't believe Team Abraham will accept this (if true).. unless they are getting compensation

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I'm wondering if this is pre-fight hype too.

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First off the Froch/Dirrell fight was a hypothetical example, secondly what I have highlighted imo is very true not just on here but in general in the boxing world. Also I said Europe/Uk not just the UK.

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That's because of your bias. The US gets just as much shit for this as anyone else if not more.

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Bias haha get the fuck out of here.

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Serious man, the ONLY country that can make a claim for getting more shit about officiating than the US is Germany.

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That's because of your bias. The US gets just as much shit for this as anyone else if not more.

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Bias haha get the fuck out of here.

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Serious man, the ONLY country that can make a claim for getting more shit about officiating than the US is Germany.

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Fair enough Greg, I will have to agree to disagree with you.

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That's because of your bias. The US gets just as much shit for this as anyone else if not more.

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Bias haha get the fuck out of here.

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Serious man, the ONLY country that can make a claim for getting more shit about officiating than the US is Germany.

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Unfortunately I think its getting worse in nearly all countries. Its like Germany led the way, and every other country decided to try it as well.

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I thought the rules of the super six stated that the judges had to be from neutral countries :confused:

The first round fights all had judges from neutral countries and only the Ward-Kessler match had a hometown ref.

Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Arthur Abraham vs. Jermain Taylor - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

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Looks like they decided to ditch the impartiality once the fights didn't go as planned

This is brilliant, vengeance for what Abraham's countrymen did to Dirrell last time. Next up on the get even score is Canada.

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This is brilliant, vengeance for what Abraham's countrymen did to Dirrell last time. Next up on the get even score is Canada.

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Brilliant.

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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Put it this way, if Dirrel doesn't get ko and can't get what looks like to be a hometown decision, then he's a certified bum. Fact.

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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Put it this way, if Dirrel doesn't get ko and can't get what looks like to be a hometown decision, then he's a certified bum. Fact.

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Well he's not getting a KO (you can now bet he will)

So they obviously stacked everything else in his favour ;D

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Come on now this is simply not justifiable (if true)

Three judges from the same country is bad enough but THREE hometown judges and a hometown ref!!! What's the point in even fighting? Dirrell just has to stand up to win ;D

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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You're doing this on purpose now!!!!!! :biglaugh: :lolololol:

All I can ask is that if there is a knockout in this fight either way that the conspiracy theories must be put to rest for a while.

Ward needs to make his fight with Green anyway and Abraham's next fight is in Britain versus Froch, right?

By the way, Fenster, in connection with the conspiracy theory, what "should" happen in the Froch v. Kessler fight?

As for the official rules of the tournament

Tournament Rules
1. All bouts will be contested under the unified rules of boxing;
2. All bouts scheduled for 12 rounds;
3. Both the World Boxing Council (WBC) and the World Boxing Association (WBA) titles will be on the line at the outset of tournament competition;
4. Each boxer will fight three bouts against different opponents in the Group Stage— round-robin, points-based competition;
5. Points will be awarded after each bout. Scoring is as follows:
Win — 2 points (with a 1-point KO/TKO bonus)
Draw — 1 point
6. Following the Group Stage, the top four point scorers qualify for the Semi-Finals with the bottom two eliminated (In the event of a tie on points, a tie-break mechanism is in place);
7. Semi-Finals will match the point leader against the fourth place fighter and the second versus the third in single-elimination bouts (In the event of a draw in the Semi-Final bouts, a tie-break mechanism is in place);
8. The winners of the Semi-Final bouts advance to the Final.

source: Super Six World Boxing Classic Scorecard - Showtime Sports

Unified Rules of Boxing
1. No three knockdown rule is in effect
2. Only the referee can stop the bout
3. If there is an accidental headbutt, it will go to the scorecards to determine the winner, if four rounds of a scheduled 12-rounder have been completed.
Otherwise, the bout will be declared no contest.
4. A fighter cannot be saved by the bell in any round including the final round.
5. A boxer that gets knocked down receives a mandatory eight count

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You know he can't just stand up for the whole fight ;D c'mon now.

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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You're doing this on purpose now!!!!!! :biglaugh: :lolololol:

All I can ask is that if there is a knockout in this fight either way that the conspiracy theories must be put to rest for a while.

Ward needs to make his fight with Green anyway and Abraham's next fight is in Britain versus Froch, right?

By the way, Fenster, in connection with the conspiracy theory, what "should" happen in the Froch v. Kessler fight?

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That's easy to workout. A Froch win is more valuable.

Kessler is soiled goods. His next fight would be Green (means nothing to anyone but an ardent fan of either).

Froch-Abraham would be big in Germany - Huge gate and TV audience. And Froch's biggest fight in Engalnd (as long as Dirrell don't spark AA) ;)

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Imagine this was the case in Europe/Uk we wouldn't here the end of it!!!

Absolute joke this, Abraham is being fucked up the arse royally here.

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My statement would be the exact same if it happened in Tanzania, UK, Germany or anywhere. Don't pull that poor me Europe/UK shit either, it's gotten old.

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I am not talking about you personally but as a whole we over here have a far worst rep for this sort of shit which is unfair.

Not really we never here the end of the " Dave Paris won Hatton the Kosta fight " on here, I think it's pretty safe to say Europe/UK has a worst rep than the Usa for this sort of thing which is very bias, Fenster did a thread about robberies in Europe/Usa a while back.

Guarantee if this was the case if Froch was fighting Dirrell in Nottingham and all three judges were from Nottingham aswell as the ref the abuse Froch would get would be off the scale.

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He did. Anybody with a brain knows that

For a fight of such global significance, that seems a bit shady. Lets hope that Michigan judges are not like Texas judges.

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This is brilliant, vengeance for what Abraham's countrymen did to Dirrell last time. Next up on the get even score is Canada.

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Brilliant.

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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...cks/Europe.jpg

Well, I think it is wrong and not fair. A big fight like this deserves a lot better.

I hope Abraham goes out and mutilates this turd of a spoiler.

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just curious... why is the title not on the line?

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None of them has a title. ;)

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no brainer,.,,;D

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Quite simply Dirrell HAS to win this fight to make Ward-Dirrell worth anything. Showtime need this fight.

Abraham can slide back to Germany, 10 million TV viewers and 30,000 punters.

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You're doing this on purpose now!!!!!! :biglaugh: :lolololol:

All I can ask is that if there is a knockout in this fight either way that the conspiracy theories must be put to rest for a while.

Ward needs to make his fight with Green anyway and Abraham's next fight is in Britain versus Froch, right?

By the way, Fenster, in connection with the conspiracy theory, what "should" happen in the Froch v. Kessler fight?

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That's easy to workout. A Froch win is more valuable.

Kessler is soiled goods. His next fight would be Green (means nothing to anyone but an ardent fan of either).

Froch-Abraham would be big in Germany - Huge gate and TV audience. And Froch's biggest fight in Engalnd (as long as Dirrell don't spark AA) ;)

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Fenster, at least admit this: there can't be a conspiracy if there is a knockout in this fight and/or if Kessler sparks Froch. Are we agreed?

What's the end game? A Froch tournament win and a showdown with Calzaghe who comes out of retirement for the biggest fight in British history?