I think that number is right around what everyone on here was saying.
Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey fight nets 700,000 PPV buys - ESPN
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I think that number is right around what everyone on here was saying.
Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey fight nets 700,000 PPV buys - ESPN
Yes I said 700-800k good numbers but nothing more than expected now, Pac is a superstar and would achieve them numbers fighting almost anyone these days.
Great number compared with the majority of PPV's over the past 10 years not involving Oscar/Tyson.
fixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Mayweather's impressive numbers started with Oscar, thus he is classed as a modern PPV star like Pac ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
700k is a good number considering it's mostly Pacquiao fans buying the PPV, a not so good undercard, and not much fight promotion.
Good news, boxing is still alive and well.
but his numbers have still completely overshadowed Pacquiao's, hence why i put him ahead ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterMayweather's impressive numbers started with Oscar, thus he is classed as a modern PPV star like Pac ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Good recent showings. 51,000 live attendance for Pacquiao-Clottey and 50,000 live attendance for Wladimir Klitschko-Chambers fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I wouldn't say overshadowed. Yes Floyd does great PPV. But you have to take into account Floyd is American, he's been mixing it with HBO for over 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut his numbers have still completely overshadowed Pacquiao's, hence why i put him ahead ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterMayweather's impressive numbers started with Oscar, thus he is classed as a modern PPV star like Pac ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Pac is a foreigner. He's doing 850,000 and 700,000 with fellow foreigners. Those are numbers that far surpass any top American PPV fighter (other than those mentioned) in the last ten years or so.
Pac deserves great credit for that ;)
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterI wouldn't say overshadowed. Yes Floyd does great PPV. But you have to take into account Floyd is American, he's been mixing it with HBO for over 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut his numbers have still completely overshadowed Pacquiao's, hence why i put him ahead ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pac is a foreigner. He's doing 850,000 and 700,000 with fellow foreigners. Those are numbers that far surpass any top American PPV fighter (other than those mentioned) in the last ten years or so.
Pac deserves great credit for that ;)
it is quite impressive...because the only draw in this fight is PACQUIAO...:)
The thing is May-Mosley will do 1.5, maybe 2 and then there will be even bigger roadblocks towards ever getting a super fight. Well, assuming Mayweather wins. Which I assume he will.
Mmm, an interesting point indeed.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jolz
I think those numbers are good considering that it was pretty much all Pac. No juicy undercard and a predictable opponent for Pac.
But the problem is, the undercard is a bummer:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingMmm, an interesting point indeed.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jolz
the whole card sucked ass, including the main eventQuote:
Originally Posted by jolzBut the problem is, the undercard is a bummer:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingMmm, an interesting point indeed.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jolz
I said it would do 600-700k buys
Why the hell dont you all just give up trying to predict things and just come to me when you need a question answered??
cause you picked Hatton to beat Mayweather :-X lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Would it have made a difference if HBO did 24/7 or the fight was made at a later date?
700k is huge on anyone's scale, except for Mayweather negotiating scale. I think promoters are dreaming that PPV's will get any larger that 1.5 million in today's economy and add that to the Internet's live streaming.
Put the fights on pod cast at $5 right after the live event maybe delayed for 2 to 3 hours and I think there lots of downloads especially if news gets out that it was a good fight.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause you picked Hatton to beat Mayweather :-X lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
ouch morales, that hurt:o
only messing around lol but yea the fight did better than i thought it would on PPV sales, but it was an awful card from start to finishQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause you picked Hatton to beat Mayweather :-X lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
ouch morales, that hurt:o
That's a decent number, I thought it would do a little less than that. Although I think the problem that Pacquiao has is Arum always oversells his numbers, just the other day he was saying it looked like it was going to do an easy 900,000, which can lead it to look like a failure.
Like Fenste said it was not until DLH did Floyd become a PPV attraction....Also his PPV high buys are with opponents Hatton who was a PPV attraction himself so that helped....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
His return fight w Marquez and that was contributed to many expecting a for sure bout with Manny right after so curiosity on how he looked plus Marquez fans added to that buy...
I would like to see the numbers of him against someone of Clotteys status popularity wise
Every argument you made for Mayweather applies to Pacquiao as well............just sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnLike Fenste said it was not until DLH did Floyd become a PPV attraction....Also his PPV high buys are with opponents Hatton who was a PPV attraction himself so that helped....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
His return fight w Marquez and that was contributed to many expecting a for sure bout with Manny right after so curiosity on how he looked plus Marquez fans added to that buy...
I would like to see the numbers of him against someone of Clotteys status popularity wise
No, it's dying, MMA already stab it:mad: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Honestly, I was actually expecting a little higher but it makes sense as Clottey isn't cared about and also, I think people under estimate the power that the 24/7 show has for fight promotion.
Also Daxx, Hatton is only a real ppv attraction in the U.K and Marquez hardly has fans. Didn't his bouts with Manny do like 200-300k? I think Floyds star power shines a little brighter than people give him credit for - Whether it was because of Oscar or not, he's still the new Mr PPV.
Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...
Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout
People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff
People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....
If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3
They played big factors in that....
3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....
Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...
I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales
You can say Pacquiao wasn't a PPV attraction till DLH as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnLike Fenste said it was not until DLH did Floyd become a PPV attraction....Also his PPV high buys are with opponents Hatton who was a PPV attraction himself so that helped....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
His return fight w Marquez and that was contributed to many expecting a for sure bout with Manny right after so curiosity on how he looked plus Marquez fans added to that buy...
I would like to see the numbers of him against someone of Clotteys status popularity wise
And that Pacquiao's fight with Clottey contributes to many expecting a bout with him and Mayweather eventually especially after the drama after the first fight falling apart, they wanna see the "guy that Pacquiao is ducking" as these sportswriters like to make it seem.
People try to make it sound like Pacquiao being foreign is a disadvantage to Mayweather being American.
The flaw in that statement is that there are a lot of American fighters on the scene to pick and choose from in different weight classes.
Pacquiao has an entire country behind them. There aren't that many Filipino stars on the world state or lining up peoples p4p lists to pick and choose from. It's more of a country pride.
In one breath people say that Pacquiao being foreign and achieving those numbers puts him ahead of Mayweather cause he is american. Yet in another breath it's said that the only reason Mayweather had big numbers with Hatton was because Hatton was foreign and had a country behind him.
Which one is it?
It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...
Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout
People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff
People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....
If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3
They played big factors in that....
3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....
Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...
I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales
Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.
It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Which just as easily affects the PPV buys for the Pac/Hatton fight as it does the PBF/Hatton fight.
Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...
That's just flagrantly not true Daxx. Marquez does have fans, but the fact was that before the fight, they were making a big deal about how a win for Marquez over a big name like Mayweather would give him the key to the massive Mexican-American fanbase. The indication was not that he was already at that stage.
Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout
You can just as easily argue the same about the Pac/Cotto fight or the Pac/Clottey fight, it doesn't make it true
People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff
Right, but then they were still buying for Floyd right?
People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....
But, wait isn't that still an interest in Floyd...
If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3
Isn't that basically the same point as 'if he lost something during the layoff'?
They played big factors in that....
3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....
You can look at almost any PPV fight in history and come up with 'circumstances around them' for why they sold well or poorly.
Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...
So basically he has to fight a shit opponent so that you will give him credit as the PPV king? Wouldn't you then just criticize him for fighting a shit opponent?
I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales
What fight did ODLH sell that well. Let's set a benchmark of 600,000 sales as the tipping point & try & find a 'shit' opponent. I'll write the reply to this bit below.
Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.
Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.
Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History
Here's the fights that did over that number.
Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m
So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.
You also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.
Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.
Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History
Here's the fights that did over that number.
Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m
So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.
Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis
To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today
400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?
DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....
As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record
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Originally Posted by MajestyYou can say Pacquiao wasn't a PPV attraction till DLH as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnLike Fenste said it was not until DLH did Floyd become a PPV attraction....Also his PPV high buys are with opponents Hatton who was a PPV attraction himself so that helped....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
His return fight w Marquez and that was contributed to many expecting a for sure bout with Manny right after so curiosity on how he looked plus Marquez fans added to that buy...
I would like to see the numbers of him against someone of Clotteys status popularity wise
And that Pacquiao's fight with Clottey contributes to many expecting a bout with him and Mayweather eventually especially after the drama after the first fight falling apart, they wanna see the "guy that Pacquiao is ducking" as these sportswriters like to make it seem.
People try to make it sound like Pacquiao being foreign is a disadvantage to Mayweather being American.
The flaw in that statement is that there are a lot of American fighters on the scene to pick and choose from in different weight classes.
Pacquiao has an entire country behind them. There aren't that many Filipino stars on the world state or lining up peoples p4p lists to pick and choose from. It's more of a country pride.
In one breath people say that Pacquiao being foreign and achieving those numbers puts him ahead of Mayweather cause he is american. Yet in another breath it's said that the only reason Mayweather had big numbers with Hatton was because Hatton was foreign and had a country behind him.
Which one is it?
Being Foreign has nothing to do with it it is how you are marketed....If Pacquiao was like Chris John lets say and never fought out of his home country then he would not be the superstar he is today......Hatton fought in the United States often enough he built his own fan base here....So it had little to do with him being or not being from the UK and having a country behind them......
Plenty of American fighters on top of their game and sport that are not even well known in the boxing community in America....
Today Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnYou also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.
Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History
Here's the fights that did over that number.
Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m
So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.
Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis
To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today
400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?
DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....
As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record
Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.
5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.
There will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogToday Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnYou also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis
To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today
400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?
DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....
As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record
Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.
5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.
5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.
Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThere will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogToday Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.
5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.
5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.
Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention
I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.
The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.
pacquiao has the "it" factor solely on what he does in the ring. There will always be exciting dominating in ring heros to saluteQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThere will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.
Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention
I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.
The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.
Mayweather has the "it" factor in and out of the ring. He trashtalks. There will always be great fighters trash talking other great fighters.
I just dont see the argument, boxings never had a period where it hasnt had its characters and it never will. For every peoples champ there will always be a flash, cocky fighter. They may not be screaming out to us right now but i assure you when the time comes they`ll be there
That's only part of Pac's "it" factor. Pernell Whitaker dominated in the ring but didn't cross over like Manny, Aaron Pryor dominated in the ring but didn't cross over in his day, Bernard Hopkins has been dominating the sport for a long time, but couldn't cross over. Pac also has the "it" factor outside of the ring. He's an massive star on the Asian continent not just in the Philliipines. I went on vacation in December to Hong Kong and Tokyo and they were talking about him on the streets, about a little Filipino fighter who was beating up guys bigger than him, along with his good guy image, he is an crossover star.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerpacquiao has the "it" factor solely on what he does in the ring. There will always be exciting dominating in ring heros to saluteQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.
The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.
Mayweather has the "it" factor in and out of the ring. He trashtalks. There will always be great fighters trash talking other great fighters.
I just dont see the argument, boxings never had a period where it hasnt had its characters and it never will. For every peoples champ there will always be a flash, cocky fighter. They may not be screaming out to us right now but i assure you when the time comes they`ll be there
Floyd is no doubt a crossover star with his skills and outside personality. There's more to it than just ring dominance.
[quote=DaxxKahn;853283]That is why I was careful NOT to say "he is the new De La Hoya" because I don't think he is THAT popular just yet and like you said, there aren't enough fights to judge that on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
However, that doesn't change the fact that he IS the current PPV king who is doing ridiculous numbers - Reasons why don't really matter..it is what it is right about now. He is the current PPV king due to the numbers. Who can you think of who pulls those kind of figures?
If we're talking worldwide, I don't think Pac is far behind but in the U.S there's no question it's MM.
Pacquiao's 700,000 buys are actually good when compared to De La Hoya's pay per view history
Below is a list of Oscar De La Hoya’s pay per view buys that was put together by Andrew Eisele at about.com
Oscar De La Hoya's Pay-Per-View History
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
5. Hector Camacho (9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
6. Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
7. Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
8. Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
9. Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
10. Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
11. Javier Castillejo (6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
12. Fernando Vargas (9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
13. Yory Boy Campas (5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
14. Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
15. Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
16. Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
17. Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 935,000 buys = $46.3 million
18. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/07) 2.15 million buys = $120.0 million
Totals: 12.6 million buys = $610.6 million