Pacquiao-Clottey does 700,000 PPV buys

[generalbulldog]

It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.

Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.

It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.

Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.

Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History

Here's the fights that did over that number.

Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m

So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.

You also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..

Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis


To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today

400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?


DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....

As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record

Today Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.

Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.

5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.

[HattonTheHammer]

It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.

Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.

Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History

Here's the fights that did over that number.

Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m

So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.

You also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..

Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis


To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today

400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?


DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....

As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record

Today Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.

Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.

5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.

There will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.

5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.

Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention

[generalbulldog]

You also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..

Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis


To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today

400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?


DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....

As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record

Today Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.

Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.

5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.

There will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.

5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.

Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention

I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.

The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.

[HattonTheHammer]

Today Floyd is the cash cow, Oscar to his credit did incredible numbers no doubt, but Floyd is the PPV king right now, as of today, although Pac isn't that far behind and is a megastar in his own right.

Right now let's just appreciate these two, because they are making boxing more popular with casual fans in the American market and making it very popular everywhere else and are carrying the sport.

5 years from now when they are no longer on top and in retirement, we're going to reminisce about when boxing forums were split and talked about these 2 constantly. Because right now I really don't see some superstar on the horizon that can crossover like they do.

There will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.

5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.

Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention

I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.

The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.

pacquiao has the "it" factor solely on what he does in the ring. There will always be exciting dominating in ring heros to salute

Mayweather has the "it" factor in and out of the ring. He trashtalks. There will always be great fighters trash talking other great fighters.

I just dont see the argument, boxings never had a period where it hasnt had its characters and it never will. For every peoples champ there will always be a flash, cocky fighter. They may not be screaming out to us right now but i assure you when the time comes they`ll be there

[generalbulldog]

There will always be world class fighters considered p4p greats. There legacys may not be of the standards of your floyd mayweathers or roy jones jrs but they`ll still be cash cows for a very rich sport.

5 years from now vegas will be packed out for a gamboa fight, chad dawson will be dazzling at 175/200pds. Heck we may even of established a half decent heavyweight division once the tyrany of the klitschkos has ended.

Boxing doesnt depend on it superstars as much as you might think. The p4p kings of this sport will always command world attention

I'm talking about a superstar in the sport that will cross over. I'm not talking about just some really good fighter that just boxing fans know. I'm talking about a mega superstar and I don't see that on the horizon, I'm not saying it won't happen after Floyd and Manny has gone, but I don't see the "it" factor that a Gamboa or Dawson brings or anyone else for that matter right now. Floyd and Manny has the "it" factor, Leonard and De La Hoya before them. Tyson in his early years in the late 80s has the "it" factor that crossed over and so did Holyfield in his prime as a HW champ. And I don't see Haye being that type of HW that can rule the division. You not only have to dominate the sport but have to have that special quality that makes one cross over into the mainstream.

The sport will always survive on a Chad Dawson or even David Haye type of fighter, but it also needs the Floyds, Mannys, Tysons, De La Hoyas, Leonards to command the attention it deserves in the mainstream.

pacquiao has the "it" factor solely on what he does in the ring. There will always be exciting dominating in ring heros to salute

Mayweather has the "it" factor in and out of the ring. He trashtalks. There will always be great fighters trash talking other great fighters.

I just dont see the argument, boxings never had a period where it hasnt had its characters and it never will. For every peoples champ there will always be a flash, cocky fighter. They may not be screaming out to us right now but i assure you when the time comes they`ll be there

That's only part of Pac's "it" factor. Pernell Whitaker dominated in the ring but didn't cross over like Manny, Aaron Pryor dominated in the ring but didn't cross over in his day, Bernard Hopkins has been dominating the sport for a long time, but couldn't cross over. Pac also has the "it" factor outside of the ring. He's an massive star on the Asian continent not just in the Philliipines. I went on vacation in December to Hong Kong and Tokyo and they were talking about him on the streets, about a little Filipino fighter who was beating up guys bigger than him, along with his good guy image, he is an crossover star.

Floyd is no doubt a crossover star with his skills and outside personality. There's more to it than just ring dominance.