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;D Again, this IS a serious question so Fantana need not respond :p
No, really what has been John Ruiz most effective display of boxing? I'm not really after his most exciting fight... Just a fight that would be a great starting point for someone (like me) who hasn't really taken much notice of John Ruiz over the years (except for when he got his arse handed to him by a pair of middleweights).
Thanks guys ;)
The Tua fight.
probably his first fight against Holyfield. Holyfield had just come off the back to back fights with Lennox Lewis, so he was still considered, at least the 2nd best fighter in the world. Ruiz lost the decision, but probablly should have gotten the nod in this fight.
That being said all of Ruiz's win are ussually pretty cheap with his throw a punch then run in and hug style, and the above fight was no exception.
Thanks mate. That's the fight I have loading up on Youtube now... A stinker no doubt but I assumed it was against a fairly live opponent at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Cant remember which One it was but he had Holyfield falling over and grabbing his laegs and the ropes and anything to survive the fight, Ruiz even dropped to all fours and crawled away from Holyfields holding;D
If he can drop Holyfield, maybe everyone who cant stand Haye will have a laugh when Ruiz drops him as well;D
I don't know about his best performance, but I know what was his greatest accomplishment. He was the 1st Puerto Rican champion that his people really didn't want or even associate with. That's a hell of an accomplishment especially coming from the Ricans that love their boxing champs.;D
John Ruiz when he totally outclassed a prime Jameel Mcline, the guy who decked the seemingly unhurtable Samuel Peter. Many people wrote John Ruiz off, not I. John did what any great fighter does, he won.
Remember he was coming of the back rip off decisions here, a warm up fight with Otis Tisdale whom he just outgunned in 2 blistering rounds.
You also need to remember, John Ruiz knocked out Tony Tucker. Lennox Lewis could not do that in his first title fight (which he got $9 million for, the highest purse for a first defense at the time, not sure if it still stands) and neither could Mike Tyson. What does this tell you about John Ruiz?
Anyone who thinks Haye has a chance against John Ruiz doesn't know anything about John Ruiz. I suggest you go watch 300, with Gerrard Butler, who does an outstanding job of representing John Ruiz for the silver screen.
John's boxing skills are massively underrated. It's extremely difficult to win fights without even throwing a punch, yet win he does.
I'd urge anyone to watch his last six, maybe seven, fights back-to-back and tell me that he isn't ferocious on the inside!!
Yeah I would have said the first Holyfield fight as well. Nothing spectacular from Ruiz but a decent showing.
Probably in his fight with Chuck Norris where his constant hugging was really causing Chuck problems, but then he got kicked in half.
He's our heavyweight cockroach.He's ugly and you hate to see him but he's everywhere you look and you hate to see him.
He has not also fought like a stroke victim wrapped in a wet blanket,early on he really boxed well,less fawning boyfriend clinching.Had a early showdown with Kobozev and should have got w.Say what you want he's always dangerous.Save for the Tua fight but busted knuckles happen as well.I think Haye-Ruiz is 50-50.
Seriously it was his 2nd fight with Evander Holyfield, as i remember it. It wasn't that bad of a fight and Evander Holyfield, fought a better fight than in there 1st meeting.
And Evander Holyfield was ahead on my scorecard, until John Ruiz decked him late. And had him badly hurt i hadn't seen Evander Holyfield that hurt, at that time since the 3rd Riddick Bowe fight.
I'd personally watch there 2nd meeting, because it isn't a bad fight. And John Ruiz shows some heart coming on, and turning the fight around late on.
John Ruiz doesn't get enough credit for the 1st two Evander Holyfield fights, i personally think he won the 1st two fights. And Evander Holyfield was fresh off his fights vs Lennox Lewis. Yet Lennox Lewis gets more credit than John Ruiz, just because John Ruiz isn't liked because of his ugly style. Which isn't fair IMO.
He beat Kirk Johnson when I didn't expect him to beat him.
This might sound insane but.... I think I want to see Ruiz vs Wlad. Do you think he would frustrate Wlad out of his game plan? lol Wlad usually holds on the inside, but Ruiz would totally beat him to it!
And the best part is, if it end in Ruiz getting KOd by Wlad, I think still no one will be disappointed. lol
Dude, that was my exact response and then I say your post. Well played, sir!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Just out of interest, have you seen the 1st Holyfield/ Ruiz fight? If so, do you still rank the 2nd fight as the better of the two?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
The only reason I ask, is because I have already endured their 1st encounter today and the knife is already at the wrist, so to speak... No pressure but are you sure the 2nd fight is a better fight for Ruiz? :)
Yes i've seen all the John Ruiz vs Evander Holyfield fights, don't bother watching the 3rd one because that was indeed painful. The 2nd one is better purely because Evander Holyfield, does fight a better fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieJust out of interest, have you seen the 1st Holyfield/ Ruiz fight? If so, do you still rank the 2nd fight as the better of the two?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
The only reason I ask, is because I have already endured their 1st encounter today and the knife is already at the wrist, so to speak... No pressure but are you sure the 2nd fight is a better fight for Ruiz? :)
And you've got the added drama of the knockdown late on, with John Ruiz coming on. Personally from what i remember it was a better fight, but again i will tell you its certainly not a very good fight, although not bad for a John Ruiz fight.
If you want to watch some real fights instead of watching, fights like these then i can recommend you some. Especially on youtube because i know, you like watching youtube fights instead of waiting hours for downloads.
Ray Mancini vs Livingstone Bramble 1
Orlando Canizales vs Kelvin Seabrooks 1
Kelvin Seabrooks vs Thierry Jacob = Should of won FOTY 1987
Tracy Spann vs Jorge Paez
Kevin Kelley vs Troy Dorsey
Julian Jackson vs Thomas Tate
Treat yourself to these classics.
Will do. Cheers mate.
I just never got into downloading fights...? There's always something else that needs downloading or some sort of plug-in that is missing or some apparent nonsense... I have loads of career sets and yeah I could stalk Youtube for hours on end but downloading files, any files.... Is just beyond me for some reason ???
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
If youve ever missed a fight, next day i tend to go on most of the video download sites, find the fight without directly reading how big the file is (gives away the length of the fight)
Leave it to download, come back half hour later and its like your watching the fight in realtime?;D;D;D
I heard he was pretty good on madden. The best out of a bunch a crappy performances shouldn't even be looked at as such. Ruiz is straight ass.....but to each his own.
Beating then then undefeated Kirk Johnson was a good result, what about Rahman, no scrub that.
I would have to say when Ruiz knocked Fres Oquendo completely out about 5 or 6 years ago. That was impressive.
I figured Oquendo would surely win that one.
The first Valuev fight was a good performance...Ruiz was actually robbed in that fight big
Fucken hell, that's a lot of good performances for a man who is dubbed boring :D
Hmm, id completely forgot about the Oquendo shot and with how almost out he had Holyfield, im starting to hope old man Ruiz can do a number on Haye;D
I mean, positives for Ruiz are Haye still hasnt really had to fight a heavy, he ran like mad from Valuev and barely got touched and valuev isnt a big puncher for a heavyweight, let alone a 7 foot 2 heavyweight:rolleyes:
Ruiz has been training for 4 months straight for this and lookied ok stopping Adnan Serin in has last fight, the same show as valuev v Haye.
Ruiz can wear down Haye and if he lands its quite possible Haye goes down yet again!!
Just looked at the odds for Ruiz, in each round its 50 to 1 and round 12 is 60 to 1, thats worth a fiver on every round because I think Ruiz will stop him;)