Marquez vs Diaz Rematch Close To Done For July 10 - Boxing News
It's in the works and will be at 135 and on PPV for July 10. Unnecessary fight in my opinion but a decent scrap.
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Marquez vs Diaz Rematch Close To Done For July 10 - Boxing News
It's in the works and will be at 135 and on PPV for July 10. Unnecessary fight in my opinion but a decent scrap.
fuck it, Marquez KO's him again and calls it a careerQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
They've both probably seen better days, but it still will be a very entertaining fight. I mean the 1st fight was the FOTY, so how can the 2nd fight not be entertaining ? i like Juan Diaz and JMM is one of my favorite fighters, so im looking forward to this fight very much.
why exactly?
This has been done, marquez has since proven himself and diaz has been found on 2 occasions against powderpuff
No point, nobody would wanna see this
Juan Diaz fought Paulie Malignaggi above Lightweight, he's certainly not as comfortable above Lightweight. As for your other comment, are you kidding me ? plenty of people will want to see this including me, it was the FOTY last year, this will be another great battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I mean at the moment who else is there for JMM at Lightweight ?
Humberto Soto is fighting Anthony Peterson, Michael Katsidis is fighting Kevin Mitchell, Edwin Valero vs JMM will never happen at this point. Joan Guzman is fighting Ali Funeka.
I never been a Diaz fan. While seeing him get stopped brings nowhere near the thrill as seeing Hatton get stopped it does provide some joyQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I always wonder why when a guy is brutally KOd why he wants a rematch. It's not as if he had a chance once Marquez mounted an offense.
Yikes. This may not be Diaz's definitive cash out fight but he seems on that path. But yeah, I don't think its a mystery to anyone why this is happening, makes dollars makes sense, etc.
Now that I think about it he really doesn't have anyone to fight except Diaz. I say make the fight and take on the winner of Malignaggi and Khan.
I was really hoping JMM's next fight would be against someone else. Should be a fun fight to watch anyways.
It was FOTY last year, although I feel JMM ruined him, I still think it's worth a rematch especially with Katsidis fightin Mitchell, Funeka & Guzman having a rematch and Valero busy beating up his wife.
As for my fellow Saddoboxing Committee members, I TOLD YOU SO ;D
This is bad news for Diaz. If this fight does go down, i will be disappointed in Marquez.
Marquez will stop him again and earlier this time, Marquez has ruined Diaz imo.
Disappointed in JMM ? isn't that slightly going over the top ? in his last 10 fights he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Victor Polo
Chris John
Terdsak Jandaeng
Jimrex Jaca
MAB
Rocky Juarez
Manny Pacquiao
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Floyd Mayweather Jr
And you would be disappointed in JMM because he's fighting, against a fighter that pushed him to the limit ? in a fight that won the FOTY ? wow you certainly are hard to please.
I mean who else is there at Lightweight ? all the top fighters are fighting eachother, theres no one available. And plus Juan Diaz fought Paulie Malignaggi at Jr Welterweight not at Lightweight where he does his best work.
I think this is a good match up, and it should another thrilling encounter. And to the people who think this will be an easy fight, think again this will be another battle.
JMM cannot wait for Hatton forever and it was an exciting fight which JMM will win easier this time.
Yeah i am. I don't care who he's fought in his past 10 fights. He's the undisputed champ at 135, he's supposed to fight the best guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDisappointed in JMM ? isn't that slightly going over the top ? in his last 10 fights he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Victor Polo
Chris John
Terdsak Jandaeng
Jimrex Jaca
MAB
Rocky Juarez
Manny Pacquiao
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Floyd Mayweather Jr
And you would be disappointed in JMM because he's fighting, against a fighter that pushed him to the limit ? in a fight that won the FOTY ? wow you certainly are hard to please.
I mean who else is there at Lightweight ? all the top fighters are fighting eachother, theres no one available. And plus Juan Diaz fought Paulie Malignaggi at Jr Welterweight not at Lightweight where he does his best work.
I think this is a good match up, and it should another thrilling encounter. And to the people who think this will be an easy fight, think again this will be another battle.
He's rematching a guy he knocked the fuck out and who is coming off a loss ( Should be 2 losses). Marquez ruined Diaz, what does he prove by knocking him out again? (which he will and earlier)
There are no lightweight fighters available now because he took so long deciding what he was gonna do. Katsidis was available not that long ago, he just got tired of waiting. Valero is another top 10 lightweight who could pose Marquez some problems with his agression and power, why not fight him ?
I'm a fan of Marquez but i'm not gonna side with him on this one.
How the hell can he fight Edwin Valero ? that fight could only happen outside the USA. And with all the trouble Edwin Valero is having at the moment, i doubt he'll even get a visa.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticYeah i am. I don't care who he's fought in his past 10 fights. He's the undisputed champ at 135, he's supposed to fight the best guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDisappointed in JMM ? isn't that slightly going over the top ? in his last 10 fights he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Victor Polo
Chris John
Terdsak Jandaeng
Jimrex Jaca
MAB
Rocky Juarez
Manny Pacquiao
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz
Floyd Mayweather Jr
And you would be disappointed in JMM because he's fighting, against a fighter that pushed him to the limit ? in a fight that won the FOTY ? wow you certainly are hard to please.
I mean who else is there at Lightweight ? all the top fighters are fighting eachother, theres no one available. And plus Juan Diaz fought Paulie Malignaggi at Jr Welterweight not at Lightweight where he does his best work.
I think this is a good match up, and it should another thrilling encounter. And to the people who think this will be an easy fight, think again this will be another battle.
He's rematching a guy he knocked the fuck out and who is coming off a loss ( Should be 2 losses). Marquez ruined Diaz, what does he prove by knocking him out again? (which he will and earlier)
There are no lightweight fighters available now because he took so long deciding what he was gonna do. Katsidis was available not that long ago, he just got tired of waiting. Valero is another top 10 lightweight who could pose Marquez some problems with his agression and power, why not fight him ?
I'm a fan of Marquez but i'm not gonna side with him on this one.
Its funny you mention Michael Katsidis, when he's the same fighter. Who got dominated by Juan Diaz pretty much, i mean what has Michael Katsidis really done since that loss ? and is he any real better than Juan Diaz ? really ?
Its easy to say he should be doing this and that, no fighter who ever lived. Can constantly keep fighting top fighters. Of course you wouldn't care who he's fought in his last 10 fights, you haven't gone through all those tough battles.
I mean honestly can the guy get a break ? he's fought two P4P number 1 fighters, only 1 year + apart. And Juan Diaz is hardly that bad of a fight, i think the reason he didn't look that good against Paulie Malignaggi, is because it was above Lightweight.
I think people are selling Juan Diaz short here, i think he'll give JMM hell again. The last fight was the FOTY and people wouldn't actually, be excited to see the rematch ? there has certainly been worse rematches than this one.
And as for your final question what does it prove ? well i think it will prove. Juan Diaz isn't as shot as people think, i think it will show once again why JMM is a great fighter, and i think it will prove to be a cracking fight.
Katsidis has been impressive since his Diaz loss and has actually been winning fights where Diaz is 1-1 ( It should be 0-2). Let's not forget that Paulie clearly won the first fight and dominated the second fight against Diaz. Before Diaz, Paulie's best win was Lovemore N'dou.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow the hell can he fight Edwin Valero ? that fight could only happen outside the USA. And with all the trouble Edwin Valero is having at the moment, i doubt he'll even get a visa.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticYeah i am. I don't care who he's fought in his past 10 fights. He's the undisputed champ at 135, he's supposed to fight the best guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
He's rematching a guy he knocked the fuck out and who is coming off a loss ( Should be 2 losses). Marquez ruined Diaz, what does he prove by knocking him out again? (which he will and earlier)
There are no lightweight fighters available now because he took so long deciding what he was gonna do. Katsidis was available not that long ago, he just got tired of waiting. Valero is another top 10 lightweight who could pose Marquez some problems with his agression and power, why not fight him ?
I'm a fan of Marquez but i'm not gonna side with him on this one.
Its funny you mention Michael Katsidis, when he's the same fighter. Who got dominated by Juan Diaz pretty much, i mean what has Michael Katsidis really done since that loss ? and is he any real better than Juan Diaz ? really ?
Its easy to say he should be doing this and that, no fighter who ever lived. Can constantly keep fighting top fighters. Of course you wouldn't care who he's fought in his last 10 fights, you haven't gone through all those tough battles.
I mean honestly can the guy get a break ? he's fought two P4P number 1 fighters, only 1 year + apart. And Juan Diaz is hardly that bad of a fight, i think the reason he didn't look that good against Paulie Malignaggi, is because it was above Lightweight.
I think people are selling Juan Diaz short here, i think he'll give JMM hell again. The last fight was the FOTY and people wouldn't actually, be excited to see the rematch ? there has certainly been worse rematches than this one.
And as for your final question what does it prove ? well i think it will prove. Juan Diaz isn't as shot as people think, i think it will show once again why JMM is a great fighter, and i think it will prove to be a cracking fight.
Katsidis is the top contender for Marquez's title i think, he earned that shot.
I'm not expecting Marquez to fight top guys ALL the time, but i just don't agree with him rematching a guy he knocked out badly and who hasn't looked the same since.
There first fight was an excellent fight, both guys displayed there all, and it meant something being the undisputed title was on the line.
A rematch takes something away from that imo, it just seems pointless to me.
All Katsidis has done is beat a shot Jesus Chavez (who hasn't had a meaningful win since 05) and get a SD win over fringe contender Vicente Escobedo. A fight in which his jaw was damn near broken. Not exactly what I call impressive stuff. A 2nd fight with Diaz still means more and is worth more than a fight with KatsidisQuote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticKatsidis has been impressive since his Diaz loss and has actually been winning fights where Diaz is 1-1 ( It should be 0-2). Let's not forget that Paulie clearly won the first fight and dominated the second fight against Diaz. Before Diaz, Paulie's best win was Lovemore N'dou.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow the hell can he fight Edwin Valero ? that fight could only happen outside the USA. And with all the trouble Edwin Valero is having at the moment, i doubt he'll even get a visa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Its funny you mention Michael Katsidis, when he's the same fighter. Who got dominated by Juan Diaz pretty much, i mean what has Michael Katsidis really done since that loss ? and is he any real better than Juan Diaz ? really ?
Its easy to say he should be doing this and that, no fighter who ever lived. Can constantly keep fighting top fighters. Of course you wouldn't care who he's fought in his last 10 fights, you haven't gone through all those tough battles.
I mean honestly can the guy get a break ? he's fought two P4P number 1 fighters, only 1 year + apart. And Juan Diaz is hardly that bad of a fight, i think the reason he didn't look that good against Paulie Malignaggi, is because it was above Lightweight.
I think people are selling Juan Diaz short here, i think he'll give JMM hell again. The last fight was the FOTY and people wouldn't actually, be excited to see the rematch ? there has certainly been worse rematches than this one.
And as for your final question what does it prove ? well i think it will prove. Juan Diaz isn't as shot as people think, i think it will show once again why JMM is a great fighter, and i think it will prove to be a cracking fight.
Katsidis is the top contender for Marquez's title i think, he earned that shot.
I'm not expecting Marquez to fight top guys ALL the time, but i just don't agree with him rematching a guy he knocked out badly and who hasn't looked the same since.
There first fight was an excellent fight, both guys displayed there all, and it meant something being the undisputed title was on the line.
A rematch takes something away from that imo, it just seems pointless to me.
Escobedo fight should of been a UD. Katsidis put on a good performance and became the no1 contender with the win while Diaz just got dominated by Paulie and was even hurt by him lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAll Katsidis has done is beat a shot Jesus Chavez (who hasn't had a meaningful win since 05) and get a SD win over fringe contender Vicente Escobedo. A fight in which his jaw was damn near broken. Not exactly what I call impressive stuff. A 2nd fight with Diaz still means more and is worth more than a fight with KatsidisQuote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticKatsidis has been impressive since his Diaz loss and has actually been winning fights where Diaz is 1-1 ( It should be 0-2). Let's not forget that Paulie clearly won the first fight and dominated the second fight against Diaz. Before Diaz, Paulie's best win was Lovemore N'dou.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Katsidis is the top contender for Marquez's title i think, he earned that shot.
I'm not expecting Marquez to fight top guys ALL the time, but i just don't agree with him rematching a guy he knocked out badly and who hasn't looked the same since.
There first fight was an excellent fight, both guys displayed there all, and it meant something being the undisputed title was on the line.
A rematch takes something away from that imo, it just seems pointless to me.
Diaz is ruined, Katsidis is not. Katsidis fight is more meaningful.
I think there both ruined. Katsidis ain't been the same since Casamayor knocked his ass out. Only difference between him and Diaz is Katsidis has been facing hand picked opponents. After getting out boxed by Diaz (of all people) he's faced journeyman Angel Ramirez. Completely shot Jesus Chavez. And fringe contender Vicente Escobedo. How exactly has Katsidis earned a shot at the great Marquez? If Diaz out boxed him, what hope does he have to even be competitive against Marquez?Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticEscobedo fight should of been a UD. Katsidis put on a good performance and became the no1 contender with the win while Diaz just got dominated by Paulie and was even hurt by him lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAll Katsidis has done is beat a shot Jesus Chavez (who hasn't had a meaningful win since 05) and get a SD win over fringe contender Vicente Escobedo. A fight in which his jaw was damn near broken. Not exactly what I call impressive stuff. A 2nd fight with Diaz still means more and is worth more than a fight with KatsidisQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Diaz is ruined, Katsidis is not. Katsidis fight is more meaningful.
Katsidis is back on form imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI think there both ruined. Katsidis ain't been the same since Casamayor knocked his ass out. Only difference between him and Diaz is Katsidis has been facing hand picked opponents. After getting out boxed by Diaz (of all people) he's faced journeyman Angel Ramirez. Completely shot Jesus Chavez. And fringe contender Vicente Escobedo. How exactly has Katsidis earned a shot at the great Marquez? If Diaz out boxed him, what hope does he have to even be competitive against Marquez?Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticEscobedo fight should of been a UD. Katsidis put on a good performance and became the no1 contender with the win while Diaz just got dominated by Paulie and was even hurt by him lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Diaz is ruined, Katsidis is not. Katsidis fight is more meaningful.
Against Diaz, he tried to box instead of brawl which i think was to do with getting ko'd in his previous fight.
Since then though, he has gone back to applying non stop pressure for 12 rounds.
Marquez probably destroys Katsidis, but Katsidis applys constant pressure for 12 rounds unlike Diaz who dissappears once he gets cut plus he has more power than Diaz who was able to wobble Marquez.
It would be a good fight nonetheless and Marquez would get more credit for it than knocking out a guy he has already beat up.
I can't imagine many people will be willing to shell out PPV-type cash to watch this fight. The first fight was great, but Diaz has had all the luster stripped from him since then and Marquez has nothing to prove, and will gain nothing (aside from some cash), by fighting and beating Diaz again.
This fight, if made, will end within 5 rounds.
I agree with this. There is no need to rematch a guy that you have brutally knocked out and certainly not when that same guy is on a continued downward losing streak. Diaz lost both Malignaggi fights IMO as well. He is as cooked as a goose. Malignaggi even rocked him second time out. Marquez would be better off fighting someone with more relevance than a done blubbery seal Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
This is a Golden Boy trip for sure and nothing less. It was my second favourite fight of last year, spot on, but this doesn't need to happen again, ATALL in my book. Cash out for both and sellable due to the FOTY last year. No significance what so ever though...Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan