What a terrible way to end the fight....AA doing his jones-griffith remake...except AA was losing...
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What a terrible way to end the fight....AA doing his jones-griffith remake...except AA was losing...
Spoilers ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every fight he is in is a fucking stinker.
sorry...if that spoiled it...forgot to put it in titleQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBSpoilers ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
did you even watch the fight? it was entertaining. fucking dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Kel
This was a good fight..dirrel was much better than against froch
Nah i watched it bro just some people, like to download it the next day. Without knowing the result so its like watching it live, just letting you know bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweathersorry...if that spoiled it...forgot to put it in titleQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBSpoilers ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
No, I just guessed that he started having a spaz attack in the ring...........course I watched it you fucking doughnut!Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambaydid you even watch the fight? it was entertaining. fucking dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Yeah I estimate about 3 miles. Not badQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
This was a good fight..dirrel was much better than against froch
LOL;DQuote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah I estimate about 3 miles. Not badQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
This was a good fight..dirrel was much better than against froch
Ignore me, I'm just pissed off I stopped up another 5 hours to watch that shit.
who says he was going to win anyway? Arthur has scored last round Kos in his last two fights and the way it was looking Direll was going to be the 3rd. IMO he took the cowardly way out and decided to act it out for a DQ win. David Haye got straight back up nd won by KO after Barett hit him when he was down. Haye was ahead and if he was a coward im sure he could have stayed down and pretended to be out.
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Originally Posted by GAME
whether or not Dirrell acted is not relevant. :rolleyes:
Dirrell better untill round before he blatantly cheated pretending to have a fit....Reason........badly hurt round before and didn't fancy two more rounds of a frantic AA.....Embarrassing for the hosts as now everyone will think there corrupt!!..lol
And you had the audacity to neg rep me and call me a keyboard warrior! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambaydid you even watch the fight? it was entertaining. fucking dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Anyway, I don't think Dirrell was acting, but he was clearly spent and on his last legs. He kept backing to the ropes and was unable to sustain what he did in the previous rounds. It would have been AA v Jermaine Taylor 2 in the 12th.
He clearly was acting. He was on his way to being KO'ed. Abraham was getting stronger, and the ref clearly stole a knock down from him. That fight would have ended in the 11th.
I do think Dirrell did do an acting job BUT like one guy said earlier it was still a clear foul and all Dirrell had to say was that he couldn't continue. Just like Montell Griffin acted his way to a win against RJJ. Dirrell did a better acting job by the way. Dirrell should've just took the time out and danced the last 1 and a half rounds away. Its a lot harder to catch Dirrell than probably any other fighter, especially while having the fight won, so Abraham had a much slimmer chance than catching a JT. Anyway, I think the 2 Andres gave brilliant performances against guys favored to win the whole thing. This kept the tournament up for grabs.
Would of, could of.....Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
didn't.
Irrelevent.
Thanks for your contribution.
Sorry, Im tired of arguing the same thing over and over and then someone comes and posts the exact same false logic again.
@NinjaSpy
I like your arguments in the official fight thread but read the title of this thread "Why would Dirrell need to act, he was going to win anyway" a hypotheical statement the poster is simply replying by stating that Dirrel had no legs and was backpedaling to the ropes and was about to be stopped by Abraham if it were not for the DQ
For those saying "he acted and should have just gotten up and fought, but instead took the DQ" what sport are you watching...ITS A FOUL!!!!
That's like after Tyson bit Holyfield, tyson's camp argued "The ear has nothing to do with boxing, it won't impede his punching or nothing and he could have continued"...How about next time they just let AA get a free punch with knockout power behind it at the start of the fight, then if Dirrel manages to get up we'll have a clean fight because the fight will surely be even after that....:rolleyes:
But you see, in reply to the thread title, the real question is "How much does one need to act to have the opponent DQ'd?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
....I wasn't aware that -any- acting was necessary for this to occur. I believe a DQ is issued in response to an illegal action.
Hence: "Why would he need to act if he was going to win?"
Answer: He didn't need to act.
exactly...Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3But you see, in reply to the thread title, the real question is "How much does one need to act to have the opponent DQ'd?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
....I wasn't aware that -any- acting was necessary for this to occur. I believe a DQ is issued in response to an illegal action.
Hence: "Why would he need to act if he was going to win?"
Answer: He didn't need to act.
I interpreted the question differently, the wonderful direct english language once again :rolleyes: going by the question you were attempting to answer. Yes he didn't need to Act.. Abraham was already Dq'd but his absolutely laughable antics were embarassing (he obviously wanted no bit of fighting again... yes even though the fight was over) All people on the forum are pointing out is though Dirrell was hit with a CHEAP shot he obviously wanted to ues it to get out of that ring ASAP. I've seen people KO'd they're all quiet a little shellshocked and very calm to get up Dirrell rushed up started yelling let me breathe and behaved like a little child.
and a knockdown was not given to Dirrell either.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Dirrell was beating that ass, clearly hit em when he did the splits off the slick canvas ad.
Abraham was acting pretty good actually with the so called low blows. Many of those punches were just deflected from his defense.
Abraham got shown up for what he is, a small, strong, slow 1 dimensional fighter.
Hes done well against middle weights, including a shot middleweight Jermain Taylor but as soon as he fights a genuine supermiddle he gets shown up, he got dropped, cut shoved around and outboxed, he looked shiit;D
I dont think he would have KO'd Dirrell had the fight gone on, I dont think his power is going to look anywhere near as effective as it did against middleweights from now on.
As for that pretending everythings a low blow, what a girl!! Dirrell nearly caught him because of it when Andre realised the ref was paying no attention to Abraham and his pathetic low blow calls;D
Abraham has just fought probably the 2 weekest fighters in the tournament, its only going to get worse for him now;D
Ross Abraham has knocked his last 3 opponents out cold and you are questioning his power? LOl
He wasn't definitely going to win. He was leading and Abraham was putting it on.
Just seen it again now. Disgrace. He hits him, he looks back at Abraham, grabs his nose, takes a second to think about it, and then flops down and rolls round a little bit before starting the leg shaking routine.
On a side note i don't think i've ever witnessed so much one sided commentary. They barely even acknowledged Dirrell's knockdown, refusing to believe that the punch caused it. I can't believe that out of the commentary team, not one of them even questioned Dirrell's play-acting skills.
Dirrell is a 100% shithouse
What do you expect really?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
All Amercians in Amercia in a fight between an Amercian vs a European. Abs was never going to get a fair share and was frustrated late in the fights because he had been the victim of an uncalled knockdown, recipient of low blows and a headbutt that opened a wound. In a neutral location he wouldnt have been treated like that. Same can be said for Kesslers fight with Ward.
It's hard to say for certain, but it did look like he was playing. The bit where he was being interviewed and he thought he'd lost did appear to be akin to a tee-totaller pretending to be drunk.
I'm not saying he was acting, I guess only he knows for sure -the punch didn't seem to catch him flush, and he'd been hit with better shots in the fight, but I will accept that he wasn't ready for it.
I did like the balls of Abrahams in his interview though :)
The punch caught him flush. There's video with slow motion replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
Anyway, let's say, for the sake of argument that Dirrell was acting. Are you saying that the DQ should only be given if a fighter is illegally KOd? I dont think there is a rule saying that one must be hit while down + almost be KOd from the shot for a DQ to be taken into consideration.
Abraham is a average fighter, but white fighters tend to get hyped up, same with Kelly Pavlik, when they are faced with movement and speed they struggle. Abraham struggled against a faded Jermain Taylor. So what was gonna happen when faced with fresh fighter in his prime ? It was a no brainer. Ward and Dirrell are the two best fighters in the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Ward and Direl both get owned when they fight away from home. Neither guy carries power.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Abraham is a average fighter, but white fighters tend to get hyped up, same with Kelly Pavlik, when they are faced with movement and speed they struggle. Abraham struggled against a faded Jermain Taylor. So what was gonna happen when faced with fresh fighter in his prime ? It was a no brainer. Ward and Dirrell are the two best fighters in the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I didn't say I disagreed with the DQ. Dirrell was clearly down and he was hit by a good punch. The issue is whether, or not, Dirrell was play acting. The Ref was shocking; he missed (or miss-called) two knockdowns and should probably waved the fight off as soon as Abrahams hit him -Dirrell's reaction appears to be the only reason the fight was called off (of course, so useless was the ref that he may have been intending to call off the fight anyway, but just wasn't very decisive)Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3The punch caught him flush. There's video with slow motion replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
Anyway, let's say, for the sake of argument that Dirrell was acting. Are you saying that the DQ should only be given if a fighter is illegally KOd? I dont think there is a rule saying that one must be hit while down + almost be KOd from the shot for a DQ to be taken into consideration.
i dont care if he wasa gonna get knocked out or not it was no reason to hit him why he was down. Everyone knows that was a dirty ass move. If you were winning on point and you knew that you were bout to get knocked out why not use a cheap tactic??? I mean he was so tired that he slipped trying to use his footwork, his legs were noodles already AA could have just waited for him to stand the knockout was there Dirrell couldn't escape it. AA is wayyyy to strong for that i would have stayed down 2 honestly.
Nobody thought anything was wrong when AA caught Taylor with that big ass forearm either.
At the end of the day Dirrell could be called a bitch but at least if he was faking AA was using a dirty tactic the minute he threw that punch so why isn't ok for him to use 1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg5CAFUX79w
LOOK AT MARQUEZ REACTION AFTER PAC CAUGHT HIM WITH A PUNCH AFTER HE'S DOWN
That punch was a tap compared to the one Dirrel took last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Im not saying it was nothing, but clearly a less damaging punch.
i know i'm just talking about the delayed reaction of feelling the punch
There's a difference between taking a shot you see coming and getting smashed with an uppercut when you are knee down on the canvas. It was a shot he was definately not expecting and that's the most dangerous punch you can get hit with and he took it all full velocity without seeing it.
It's really funny how people are trying to compare shots on the canvas and justify what Abraham did to try to say Dirrell is a wimp. Saddening.