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Hi All,
I have to admit that I haven't seen the fight. That said, I'm wondering if Cole was justified in calling this a DQ. If, in fact, it was a justifiable DQ, what the hell did Abraham do to get DQ'd?
Absolutely puzzling from what I've read so far. Very curious to read to some unbiased opinions from members in the know.
Thanks in advance
Dirrell slipped, was on one knee and Abraham was standing over him, reared back and hit him with a hard flush right hook.
No brainer DQ. Cole sucks but even he couldn't screw that up.
The only reason I was suspect about this is because Cole was the third man in the ring, and has made outlandish displays of ineptitude in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
But from what you say, that was completely uncalled for and Abraham deserved the DQ.
Can't wait to see the bout.
I mean its not like ten seconds passed or anything between the time that Dirrell slipped and the time that AA threw the punch but it was clearly late and Dirrell was clearly down. The controversy is more over whether Dirrell acted more hurt than he was than whether it was a good or bad call by Cole.
That was a pretty clear cut DQ IMO. I mean he paused made sure Dirrell was down and then hit him.
Cole did miss a knockdown from each fighter. But the DQ was the correct call.
Fuck yes it was justified. Anyone who says otherwise is a gibbering idiot or so ridiculously biased that their opinion is worthless. He hit an opponent when he was down and in a vulnerable position and clearly thought about it before hand. It wasn't like he was in the midst of punching when Dirrell went down, he saw he was down, thought about it, and them he hit him.
I'm a huge Abraham fan, or at least I was, but that was a chicken-shit move and he acted like a classless asshole afterwards.
Whatever the outcome, Cole is an inept jackass and has no business officiating prize-fights. I can't stand Cole.
That said, AA sounds like a real TOOL!
Forget about Cole. His best judgement wouldn't even be quick enough to stop AA IF he wanted to punch dirrell a second or third time when dirrell is down. Not that I'm saying AA would do that. Just that I've long been doubting Cole's ability to be a boxing ref.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
He was justified in calling a DQ (after like a whole minute has gone by). Abraham punched dirrell while he was down on his knees from a slip. It was clearly an illegal punch. AA could argue how dirrell is the best actor in the place tonight but it was clearly an illegal punch that deserves a DQ.
I'm a fan of AA. I even jumped off my seat when I thought he landed a clean punch that landed dirrell on the canvass. So I am a bit biased. But I would be the first to admit he deserved that DQ loss.
Edit: Btw, can you add an option where it says "It was justified - Cole is a moron." I'd definitely vote for that.
DQ.
Cole is definitely a moron. I can't believe he's still considered a legitimate ref after the JMM - Jaca fight.
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Originally Posted by CFH
With you with that one, brother. Cole is fool, and has no business officiating a fight. I wouldn't want this guy officiating amateur bouts, as I think he's dangerous for the sport.
Well, seems unanimous. I would like to have a look myself, as I had a high opinion of AA. However, in light of this, my opinion of him has radically changed. That's a pretty turd-like thing to do to a defenseless fighter.:mad:
After all, these guys put their lives on the line every time the enter the ring.
AA should be sanctioned and made to reflect on such un-sportsmanship conduct.
100% agree with you on this one. Cole just doesn't have the eye or the reflexes or the intuition of a decent boxing ref. He makes a lot of obvious mistakes that a lot of his peers wouldn't even make while in their sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Killer posted a link to a video of the end of the fight in the stickied thread. It won't be up for long, but I'd think you should be able to watch it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Cole has made some bad mistakes in the past admittedly, but he was legit in this fight. The only thing I dont like was when he stopped Abraham when he had em in the corner.
He did a pretty bad job IMO. In addition to getting DIrrell out of the corner, he screwed both fighters out of legitimate knockdowns, and acted inconsistent and unsure through out the fight. I remember one point Abraham complaining about a low-blow and Cole telling him to forget about it and keep fighting. Instead of fighting, Abraham keeps bitching and turning away from DIrrell and Cole calls time... He was very inconsistent IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Thanks for that, CFH. It's pretty clear-cut. WTF was AA thinking. That was completely uncalled for, and why was Cole almost 10 feet away?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHKiller posted a link to a video of the end of the fight in the stickied thread. It won't be up for long, but I'd think you should be able to watch it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Cole yelled stop, AA knows what stop means. Dirrells kd was borderline, his foot was entangled before the punch. Some refs might have called that one, as well as the ropes keepin Abraham up that one un-called knockdown. Both were pretty borderline trip/punches.
hell yea it was justified. I had no beef with AA when he hit him it happens sometimes when guys are desperate. but the way he acted afterwards, I lost all respect for him. Fuck him..
well said..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It was a blatant foul.
And though at first it appeared Dirrell may be acting, it was clear later that he was not. He was crying and scared after awaking from being knocked out. And the Doctors were sincerely concerned over his health.
Abraham acted like a punk.
Many fighters have been hit whilst they were down and just got up and fought on. Direll saw an opportunity and it was a smart move but the way the fight was going , he was in trouble and I duno if he could have lasted. Guess we'll never know unless they meet again and it may happend cuz despite all this drama, Abs is still the tournament leader.
First of all I saw the fight and the DQ was spot on, Dirrell was clearly down and AA took a swipe.
My question is did Dirrell make the most of being hit? IMO he did, he'd been hit far harder and cleaner earlier on and barely flinched then this time he was rolling around with his eye's in his head (delayed reaction). Whatever my opinion AA should have had more respect after the fight, we can't tell if he was hurt as badly as he made out but either way AA should have kept his mouth shut and walked out of the ring with whatever dignity he had left.
Disappointing end to what was an entertaining fight, the last two rounds would have been very interesting if they had continued... :-\
I don't know. I mean he did hit him when he was down but imo Andre's play-acting got him the DQ. If he'd have reacted normally to it, Abraham would have probably lost a point or 2, which would have been irrelevant anyway seen as though he needed a KO.
The minute Abraham lands the shot, he takes the fight out of his own hands. He was never likely to get away with it in the US against a US fighter.
The two best boxers of the tournament are Dirrell and Ward and both in my mind are undefeated, as Dirrell beat Froch in my opinion. Abraham is a just stand up, unathletic classic european fighter who was always gonna be exposed by more athletic fighter who with good combo's and speed two match. It's funny really Dirrell and Ward were considered thw two weakest fighters before the super 6 started but even at this early stage they are looking like the two best.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
I dont think Dirrels looking like the best. He was owned by Carl Froch and he was knocked cold last night. As for Ward he headbutted his way to a win over Kessler and if he tarvelled he'd lose but he has home advantage in every fight so its being fixed for him to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200The two best boxers of the tournament are Dirrell and Ward and both in my mind are undefeated, as Dirrell beat Froch in my opinion. Abraham is a just stand up, unathletic classic european fighter who was always gonna be exposed by more athletic fighter who with good combo's and speed two match. It's funny really Dirrell and Ward were considered thw two weakest fighters before the super 6 started but even at this early stage they are looking like the two best.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Anybody? I cant be the only one on this forum who takes issue with this statement because -it is absolutely misleading- Opinion is one thing but when you twist the facts in such a way, it is obviously no longer truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI dont think Dirrels looking like the best. He was owned by Carl Froch and he was knocked cold last night. As for Ward he headbutted his way to a win over Kessler and if he tarvelled he'd lose but he has home advantage in every fight so its being fixed for him to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200The two best boxers of the tournament are Dirrell and Ward and both in my mind are undefeated, as Dirrell beat Froch in my opinion. Abraham is a just stand up, unathletic classic european fighter who was always gonna be exposed by more athletic fighter who with good combo's and speed two match. It's funny really Dirrell and Ward were considered thw two weakest fighters before the super 6 started but even at this early stage they are looking like the two best.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
@Game: where are you from? You obviously have an illogical dislike of both American boxers in the tournament.
Very clear that Abraham tried to cheat his way to a win by intentionally cold cocking Dirrell and claiming it wasn't. That was a cheap shot that would make Mysterious Billy Smith proud of.
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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Anybody? I cant be the only one on this forum who takes issue with this statement because -it is absolutely misleading- Opinion is one thing but when you twist the facts in such a way, it is obviously no longer truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI dont think Dirrels looking like the best. He was owned by Carl Froch and he was knocked cold last night. As for Ward he headbutted his way to a win over Kessler and if he tarvelled he'd lose but he has home advantage in every fight so its being fixed for him to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
@Game: where are you from? You obviously have an illogical dislike of both American boxers in the tournament.
You said Direll beat Froch and Im pointing out the fact that Froch won and that Dirrel was knocked cold last night. Deal with it.
I did not say Dirrel beat Froch. You said Froch owned Dirrel which was totally false. That was a very close fight and there was no "ownage".Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Anybody? I cant be the only one on this forum who takes issue with this statement because -it is absolutely misleading- Opinion is one thing but when you twist the facts in such a way, it is obviously no longer truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
@Game: where are you from? You obviously have an illogical dislike of both American boxers in the tournament.
You said Direll beat Froch and Im pointing out the fact that Froch won and that Dirrel was knocked cold last night. Deal with it.
And secondly, you say Dirrel was acting -and- you say he was knocked cold, so maybe if you choose -1- of these, it would be a little more believable.
The DQ was justified, but I didn't like seeing it as I thought Dirrell was wilting and Abraham had finally realised it was do or die. You can't hit a man when he is down. It was a rush of blood and Abraham probably will regret it when he watches the video and sees Dirrell down with his legs splayed all over the place.
I also agree with GAME that Froch beat Dirrell, but ownage is probably a bit strong.
Dirrell was owned by Froch ? Froch won on hometown split decision. Listen I'm based in the UK and I listened to the fight on UK radio station and EVEN THEIR commentators made Dirrell the clear winner. As for Abraham knocking out Dirrell, only his mother would say something like that because any impartial observer would realise that hitting some when they are down on one knee is not what I call getting knocked out. And trust me, Abraham will lose to Ward and Green too. He may well win a *You Hit Me - I Hit You* slug-fest against Froch but he will NEVER become a top fighter. It's one thing, fighting handpicked fighters in your home country in Germany, but taken your thing on the road is another story and as I've said before I don't think Dirrell is great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI dont think Dirrels looking like the best. He was owned by Carl Froch and he was knocked cold last night. As for Ward he headbutted his way to a win over Kessler and if he tarvelled he'd lose but he has home advantage in every fight so its being fixed for him to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200The two best boxers of the tournament are Dirrell and Ward and both in my mind are undefeated, as Dirrell beat Froch in my opinion. Abraham is a just stand up, unathletic classic european fighter who was always gonna be exposed by more athletic fighter who with good combo's and speed two match. It's funny really Dirrell and Ward were considered thw two weakest fighters before the super 6 started but even at this early stage they are looking like the two best.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
I just think as Floyd Mayweather says "Skills pays the bills" and that will be shown even if they fought again. Abraham just marches forward, no head movement, no feints, no dropping of the shoulder, no nothing. He's an MMA fighter where skill is not so much required, In fact Abraham would make a great MMA fighter, but he will NEVER EVER be a top, top boxer because he just hasn't got the skills.
The DQ was the correct call.
Dirrell slipped to the canvas, and Abraham intentionally hit him hard while he was down.
Andre deserves an oscar he was acting he held the side of his face before he went over and he wouldn't let the black doctor look at his eyes and the doctor tried on numerous occasions Andre knew if the doc saw his eyes he would know he was acting. I know a lot of you guys will think Andre was genuinly ko'd but its all a bit funny to me even when he was interviewed he said ive been knocked out then someone said no you won then he said yes he hit me while i was down no one told him this though they just said you won. Then they got him out of the ring before he could be interviewed again now im sorry but Andre needs to find a heart he ran like a terrified child against Froch and then gets out of a fight in this way in my opinion he was going to get ko'd as Arthur was catching up with him.
Blame Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Simple rule actually. If they are on the ground, don't hit them.
Then you don't get DQ'd :p
Dude seriously, he wasn't even coherent he was asking for a speakerman and was clearly gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
People saying that the doctor looking in his eyes would know if he was acting or not.
First, he wasn't acting. Second, Abraham was already DQ'd so what would the point have been?
Tell me what the point would have been in acting since Abraham was already DQ'd? He violated the rule when he hit Dirrell viciously when he was down. Nothing Dirrell did was gonna make the ref NOT DQ Abraham already, and he deserved it.
You think if the doctor looked in his eyes and said "he is acting he isnt that hurt" that they'd have changed the rules of boxing to unDQ Abraham? Stop reaching.
Many fighter has hit a fighter while been on one knee and so on and not been dq'd but im not arguing the dq as such its the Dirrell acting it was so obvious he blinked his eye then held his eye then falls over unconcious come on??? then won't let the black doctor look in his eyes and the doc tried loads of times then crying and so on he knew Arthur was catching up to him and found a way out also he had been punched for 11 rounds yet he kept hold the side of his head where this one punch had landed it was all to much he over acted if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Blame Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Simple rule actually. If they are on the ground, don't hit them.
Then you don't get DQ'd :p
I honestly can't understand people defending him. Clear acting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonbrunoMany fighter has hit a fighter while been on one knee and so on and not been dq'd but im not arguing the dq as such its the Dirrell acting it was so obvious he blinked his eye then held his eye then falls over unconcious come on??? then won't let the black doctor look in his eyes and the doc tried loads of times then crying and so on he knew Arthur was catching up to him and found a way out also he had been punched for 11 rounds yet he kept hold the side of his head where this one punch had landed it was all to much he over acted if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Blame Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Simple rule actually. If they are on the ground, don't hit them.
Then you don't get DQ'd :p
He got dq'd from the point Andre fell to the side and lay under the rope but im not arguing the dq just the obvious acting from Dirrell i can't understand why any fight fan would defend himQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyDude seriously, he wasn't even coherent he was asking for a speakerman and was clearly gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
People saying that the doctor looking in his eyes would know if he was acting or not.
First, he wasn't acting. Second, Abraham was already DQ'd so what would the point have been?
Tell me what the point would have been in acting since Abraham was already DQ'd? He violated the rule when he hit Dirrell viciously when he was down. Nothing Dirrell did was gonna make the ref NOT DQ Abraham already, and he deserved it.
You think if the doctor looked in his eyes and said "he is acting he isnt that hurt" that they'd have changed the rules of boxing to unDQ Abraham? Stop reaching.
and you're defending Abraham's blatant flgarant foul? rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI honestly can't understand people defending him. Clear acting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonbrunoMany fighter has hit a fighter while been on one knee and so on and not been dq'd but im not arguing the dq as such its the Dirrell acting it was so obvious he blinked his eye then held his eye then falls over unconcious come on??? then won't let the black doctor look in his eyes and the doc tried loads of times then crying and so on he knew Arthur was catching up to him and found a way out also he had been punched for 11 rounds yet he kept hold the side of his head where this one punch had landed it was all to much he over acted if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3