Should smokers and binge drinkers be charged for using the NHS?

I know it's the Daily Mail and they are usually a bit off, but I was reading this and kind of agree with Jamie Oliver. Why should binge drinkers be allowed treatment free of charge when they have messed themselves up through their own volition? I think the same could be said of smokers and lung damage too. I am not getting high and mighty because I too like to binge drink, but if I get sick then that should really come out of my own pocket (not that I ever get sick, mind).

Jamie Oliver: Fine 'binge-drink idiots' who clog up NHS | Mail Online

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And obese people could be added in there as well. I was watching a documentary on the Discovery channel about obese people the other week and there was this man who ate 22,000 calories a day. That is ridiculous. This man chooses to eat 10 times the normal person and wonders why he can't walk. I don't think the NHS should pay for people like that, but this was America so he will probably be left to die.

Ah, I was only joking on that last part! I should have added a smiley or something. I'm sure he wasn't left to die. But he might, I mean how could he afford health insurance not being able to do anything besides eating?

miles,

should anorexics be treated on the NHS?
should depressed people be treated or just be told to snap out of it?

I am not for obese peoples needing to pay because for many obese, it's either a genetics question or the case of a bad education on the matter: Sure, eating bacon and burgers aren't good, but there is also other insidious things that can make you become fat, like eating many feculents in one single meal but many peoples ignore it and biologically talking, some are more vulnerable to it than some others.
Now, how to split up the one responsible from the one who are obese because of a bad education or because of genetics/thyroid problems? Will we make an investigation on each one of them to prove who has to pay and who has not?
As for those smoking, the thing is that it's a very complicated issue globally:

- Peoples before were almost all smoking because it was considering cool and because nobody knew how bad it was (and at the time, it wasn't as toxic as today). Shall we make pay those who were uninformed about the problem as well? How do we split up the limit with proofs here?
- Passive smokers: What do we do with peoples who are working in bars or place where there is massive amount of smoke? They know it's dangerous but still chose to work there, shall we make them pay as well as they did chose that kind of life? What about kids? What about kids when they grow up who would have been the object of passive smoke from their parents?
- Some peoples might be pre-destined to have a lung cancer, smokers or not. IT is very possible that some smokers get lung cancer but not because they were smoking, in that case, isn't it discriminatory to make them pay if we can't prove that it's officially smoking that did cause that cancer?

These are some issues I have with that idea, perhaps a solution would be to ask a bit more on peoples life insurance who are smoking, nothing outrageous but a little something in order to help cover the global expenses related with it but I am absolutely not in favor to make pay obese peoples in general and to another extend, the smokers issue is quite complicated too.

It's a difficult one this! You could say that the amount of money we pay into the NHS entitles us to do what the fuck we like and expect to be treated for it :-\

If someone gets skin cancer should they be treated?? they CHOSE to spend all that time under a sunbed

If someone has aids should they be treated?? they CHOSE to stick mandingos tallkywacker inside of them

horses for courses, NHS is there to treat sick people not judge them on how they got there in the 1st place. Only thing i will say is that surgery to make an overweight person thin is just wrong. Only the real fattys should be allowed to have their stomachs stapled

Yeah, it's an interesting one and I hadn't really considered it before. Also from articles I have read binge drinking appears to be particularly out of control in the UK. A penalty for emergency care brought on by binge drinking might provide an incentive to moderate behaviour and to consider the impact it has. Like I say, I do binge drink myself (but never to the state where I am passing out) and would quite happily cough up if it went to far and led to me being hospitalised. I don't see why society as a whole should cover the cost of self excess.

HTH, you aren't possibly trying to tell me that you think gays should recieve life extending AID's medicine courtesy of the NHS!? :-X;D

I believe that smoking and alcohol consumption should be made illegal. Causes more widespread damage to more people than recreational drugs. It's a huge problem. I don't go out that much on a weekend anymore, but decided to go out into Manchester after the Haye fight. I saw a piss head booting someone in the head whilst he was on the floor and a little later on i saw a man laying down out cold, on his own in the rain.

Of course it will never happen but imo it's a problem

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miles,

should anorexics be treated on the NHS?
should depressed people be treated or just be told to snap out of it?

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I think anorexia is a more complicated problem than the habitual drinker who gets drunk to oblivion 3 nights a week with his friends. Anorexics aren't costing the taxpayer 3 billion pounds a year and you can sympathise with their condition. It's difficult to sympathise with the habitual binge drinker. I don't regard myself as sick and I wouldn't expect anyone else to either. I regard binge drinking as more a social problem rather than a medical condition. Two nights a week is my limit and no more than half a dozen beers these days. To an extent I regulate myself and think other drinkers should too. To not do so is a bit silly.

In terms of depression, I think people should have access to medicine and pay towards it, but it's a relatively common condition. To an extent I do think people with depression should try to sort it out themselves, but if they want medicine then they should take it. Personally, I would choose not to. Life is what it is and you just have to deal with it, but that's my approach and am not suggesting that is right for everyone.

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miles,

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should depressed people be treated or just be told to snap out of it?

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I think anorexia is a more complicated problem than the habitual drinker who gets drunk to oblivion 3 nights a week with his friends. Anorexics aren't costing the taxpayer 3 billion pounds a year and you can sympathise with their condition. It's difficult to sympathise with the habitual binge drinker. I don't regard myself as sick and I wouldn't expect anyone else to either. I regard binge drinking as more a social problem rather than a medical condition. Two nights a week is my limit and no more than half a dozen beers these days. To an extent I regulate myself and think other drinkers should too. To not do so is a bit silly.

In terms of depression, I think people should have access to medicine and pay towards it, but it's a relatively common condition. To an extent I do think people with depression should try to sort it out themselves, but if they want medicine then they should take it. Personally, I would choose not to. Life is what it is and you just have to deal with it, but that's my approach and am not suggesting that is right for everyone.

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you mentioned obese people not being treated so I countered with anorexia. Both in my opinion are mental health issues and not just about someone being greedy or someone having a sulk and not eating.

in many instances people can help themselves but they have to have the tools and motivation to do it.

Miles, I think you'd like this book. Takes a really interesting view of some of the issues you raise and that others are bringing.

The Rainbow Machine by Andrew T. Austin

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Yeah, it's an interesting one and I hadn't really considered it before. Also from articles I have read binge drinking appears to be particularly out of control in the UK. A penalty for emergency care brought on by binge drinking might provide an incentive to moderate behaviour and to consider the impact it has. Like I say, I do binge drink myself (but never to the state where I am passing out) and would quite happily cough up if it went to far and led to me being hospitalised. I don't see why society as a whole should cover the cost of self excess.

HTH, you aren't possibly trying to tell me that you think gays should recieve life extending AID's medicine courtesy of the NHS!? :-X;D

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Now if you were asking Bilbo or HTH if those gays should then be allowed to use army showers...

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Yeah, it's an interesting one and I hadn't really considered it before. Also from articles I have read binge drinking appears to be particularly out of control in the UK. A penalty for emergency care brought on by binge drinking might provide an incentive to moderate behaviour and to consider the impact it has. Like I say, I do binge drink myself (but never to the state where I am passing out) and would quite happily cough up if it went to far and led to me being hospitalised. I don't see why society as a whole should cover the cost of self excess.

HTH, you aren't possibly trying to tell me that you think gays should recieve life extending AID's medicine courtesy of the NHS!? :-X;D

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I believe they should be allowed to the same rights that normal straight people have

As long as they arent allowed back into society to spread such diseases by working with food or other such things ive no problem whatsoever!!

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I believe that smoking and alcohol consumption should be made illegal. Causes more widespread damage to more people than recreational drugs. It's a huge problem. I don't go out that much on a weekend anymore, but decided to go out into Manchester after the Haye fight. I saw a piss head booting someone in the head whilst he was on the floor and a little later on i saw a man laying down out cold, on his own in the rain.

Of course it will never happen but imo it's a problem

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Ive got no friends therefore have never tried either thing but would much prefer it to be outlawed so nobody can ever have a good time again.

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I believe that smoking and alcohol consumption should be made illegal. Causes more widespread damage to more people than recreational drugs. It's a huge problem. I don't go out that much on a weekend anymore, but decided to go out into Manchester after the Haye fight. I saw a piss head booting someone in the head whilst he was on the floor and a little later on i saw a man laying down out cold, on his own in the rain.

Of course it will never happen but imo it's a problem

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Ive got no friends therefore have never tried either thing but would much prefer it to be outlawed so nobody can ever have a good time again.

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For stating that alcohol abuse and tobacco abuse is a bigger drain on NHS resources than recreational drugs? Not sure how that adds up.

I don't want to outlaw anything, but seen as though we do, my point was, if recreational drugs are outlawed because they are deemed dangerous, then surely alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous, therefore should be illegal.

I know, it's a logical thought process and i understand because there isn't a 'SUN Campaign' against it, you'll have trouble getting your head around it.

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I believe that smoking and alcohol consumption should be made illegal. Causes more widespread damage to more people than recreational drugs. It's a huge problem. I don't go out that much on a weekend anymore, but decided to go out into Manchester after the Haye fight. I saw a piss head booting someone in the head whilst he was on the floor and a little later on i saw a man laying down out cold, on his own in the rain.

Of course it will never happen but imo it's a problem

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Ive got no friends therefore have never tried either thing but would much prefer it to be outlawed so nobody can ever have a good time again.

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For stating that alcohol abuse and tobacco abuse is a bigger drain on NHS resources than recreational drugs? Not sure how that adds up.

I don't want to outlaw anything, but seen as though we do, my point was, if recreational drugs are outlawed because they are deemed dangerous, then surely alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous, therefore should be illegal.

I know, it's a logical thought process and i understand because there isn't a 'SUN Campaign' against it, you'll have trouble getting your head around it.

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From what your originally post:

You think alcohol and tobacco should be outlawed = grown adults should no longer be able to enjoy themselves

i dont go out much anymore = potential loner

when i was out i saw someone get there head kicked in = the consequence of alcohol agreed, but we are not all out to cause trouble. Just the 18year olds who cant handle there shandys getting the f*ck kicked out of them

hahaha 'sun campaign'... Love it :D

As far as paying for smoke related illness, I agree in theory but like nameless has said there are too many ifs and buts for any sort of fair system.

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For stating that alcohol abuse and tobacco abuse is a bigger drain on NHS resources than recreational drugs? Not sure how that adds up.

I don't want to outlaw anything, but seen as though we do, my point was, if recreational drugs are outlawed because they are deemed dangerous, then surely alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous, therefore should be illegal.

I know, it's a logical thought process and i understand because there isn't a 'SUN Campaign' against it, you'll have trouble getting your head around it.

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From what your originally post:

You think alcohol and tobacco should be outlawed = grown adults should no longer be able to enjoy themselves

i dont go out much anymore = potential loner

when i was out i saw someone get there head kicked in = the consequence of alcohol agreed, but we are not all out to cause trouble. Just the 18year olds who cant handle there shandys getting the f*ck kicked out of them

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No i explained my point that i believed alcohol and tobacco to be more dangerous than other recreational drugs. Not sure how that equates to 'grown adults' (as you eloquently put) no longer being able to enjoy themselves. Unless of course you require alcohol to enjoy yourself. If you do, you have my sincerest condolences.

I actually said i don't go out much at a weekend, you know, as in nights out on the town. Again, if that makes me a potential loner, then so be it. It's a small price to pay to avoid spending my nights with drunken reprobates like yourself :)

Hammer you dancer :rotflmao:

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Yeah, it's an interesting one and I hadn't really considered it before. Also from articles I have read binge drinking appears to be particularly out of control in the UK. A penalty for emergency care brought on by binge drinking might provide an incentive to moderate behaviour and to consider the impact it has. Like I say, I do binge drink myself (but never to the state where I am passing out) and would quite happily cough up if it went to far and led to me being hospitalised. I don't see why society as a whole should cover the cost of self excess.

HTH, you aren't possibly trying to tell me that you think gays should recieve life extending AID's medicine courtesy of the NHS!? :-X;D

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As long as they arent allowed back into society to spread such diseases by working with food or other such things ive no problem whatsoever!!

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Haha, a classic Hammerism.

The thing is even if you believe smokers/drinkers etc shouldn't get treated on the NHS its a question of defination. Whats a binge drinker for instance? Or if you have one cigarette a week (unlikely I know) then coincidently get lung cancer should you then be classified as a smoker and thus denyed free treatment?

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miles,

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should depressed people be treated or just be told to snap out of it?

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Missy will hate this but I agree with her.

There are multiple lifestyles that are a burden to the state not just smokers and drinkers.

What about fatties?

Or extremely active people who break bones playing football, rock climbing or base jumping?

What about drivers who injure themselves through reckless driving?

Or how about those who injure themselves attempting to do some DIY or heavy lifting when they should have taken more precautions?

What about wasters such as myself who choose to get cancer so they don't have to work?

What about gays or drug users who get HIV?

What about the sexually promiscous who get other diseases, or the young kids who keep getting pregnant?

How about the old people who don't take care of themselves and get pnuemonia rather than put the heating on?

You could go on and on with this.

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

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Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

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Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

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Haha, it's only a matter of time before he starts calling for the blood of the jews, gypsies & Amir Khan. Oh wait...

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Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

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Haha, it's only a matter of time before he starts calling for the blood of the jews, gypsies & Amir Khan. Oh wait...

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Oh crap, sshh! he's viewing the thread. *whistles*

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Oh, come on now! ;D

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

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Oh, come on now! ;D

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

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Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

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Oh, come on now! ;D

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

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Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

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Miles I was speaking to Hammer earlier and he was saying he was concerned that you have such extreme views. At least he knows where to draw the line!

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Oh, come on now! ;D

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

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Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

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Not since my last holiday home a few years ago and lots of memories from my younger years. It could be quite scary. Out here the streets are an apocalypse from 9pm onwards. Hordes of drunk men pissing against walls and attired in shiny suits stained with little bits of sick.

You know, on the whole I have a mixture of views and not all of them are on the left, but I really don't see myself as being particularly right wing. Getting drunk is fun, but getting a stomach pumped is extreme. Surely, I'm not the only one wanting to pay to get my own stomach pumped.

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Oh, come on now! ;D

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

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Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

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Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia? :D

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miles,

should anorexics be treated on the NHS?
should depressed people be treated or just be told to snap out of it?

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I think anorexia is a more complicated problem than the habitual drinker who gets drunk to oblivion 3 nights a week with his friends. Anorexics aren't costing the taxpayer 3 billion pounds a year and you can sympathise with their condition. It's difficult to sympathise with the habitual binge drinker. I don't regard myself as sick and I wouldn't expect anyone else to either. I regard binge drinking as more a social problem rather than a medical condition. Two nights a week is my limit and no more than half a dozen beers these days. To an extent I regulate myself and think other drinkers should too. To not do so is a bit silly.

In terms of depression, I think people should have access to medicine and pay towards it, but it's a relatively common condition. To an extent I do think people with depression should try to sort it out themselves, but if they want medicine then they should take it. Personally, I would choose not to. Life is what it is and you just have to deal with it, but that's my approach and am not suggesting that is right for everyone.

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you mentioned obese people not being treated so I countered with anorexia. Both in my opinion are mental health issues and not just about someone being greedy or someone having a sulk and not eating.

in many instances people can help themselves but they have to have the tools and motivation to do it.

Miles, I think you'd like this book. Takes a really interesting view of some of the issues you raise and that others are bringing.

The Rainbow Machine by Andrew T. Austin

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So true - petty that so few people acknowledge that!

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No, Lewisham :)

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here ;)

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man ;D

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No, Lewisham :)

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here ;)

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man ;D

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But the country wouldn't have changed that much in the few years I have been away. Excessive drinking has been a problem in the UK for as long as I can remember, and I was part of that for a time. I have seen the havoc myself and a news article simple reinforces my views in that regard, even if it is the Daily Mail. You can go to the BBC and see similar articles about Brits drinking to excess too. The problem exists and I don't see why you are taking issue with my perspective.

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Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here ;)

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man ;D

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But the country wouldn't have changed that much in the few years I have been away. Excessive drinking has been a problem in the UK for as long as I can remember, and I was part of that for a time. I have seen the havoc myself and a news article simple reinforces my views in that regard, even if it is the Daily Mail. You can go to the BBC and see similar articles about Brits drinking to excess too. The problem exists and I don't see why you are taking issue with my perspective.

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I didn't say I disagreed with you on this, there is a binge-drinking problem, however of course a country changes. Also the media will always play things up, do you really think there's paedophile Islamic fundamentalists waiting to stab grannies to death & record it on their mobiles?

I actually think one benefit of the recession is that it has decreased marginally the 'booze Britain' behaviour, as a lot of them can't afford to go out to a city centre & get pissed & violent. They're doing at home on the cheap now ;D

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No, Lewisham :)

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here ;)

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man ;D

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But the country wouldn't have changed that much in the few years I have been away. Excessive drinking has been a problem in the UK for as long as I can remember, and I was part of that for a time. I have seen the havoc myself and a news article simple reinforces my views in that regard, even if it is the Daily Mail. You can go to the BBC and see similar articles about Brits drinking to excess too. The problem exists and I don't see why you are taking issue with my perspective.

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I didn't say I disagreed with you on this, there is a binge-drinking problem, however of course a country changes. Also the media will always play things up, do you really think there's paedophile Islamic fundamentalists waiting to stab grannies to death & record it on their mobiles?

I actually think one benefit of the recession is that it has decreased marginally the 'booze Britain' behaviour, as a lot of them can't afford to go out to a city centre & get pissed & violent. They're doing at home on the cheap now ;D

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No, I don't believe that there are too many peodophile Islamic fundamentalists to be worrying about. One of the first things I will do this summer when I come home is to go downtown at 3am for a kebab and check and make sure that there are lots of drunk people. I might even count them. I will also be on the lookout for thieving Romanian gypsy children which I have never seen before. I heard about them in a BBC documentary and they seem to be a new thing that has developed in my absence. Not to keen on the sound of them. I think the scariest thing about Britain would have to be the traditional indigenous children. Apparently they roam the streets like packs of wolves and eat old ladies.

I always recall drinking to be a serious social problem when I last lived in the UK, but since I have been away the Guardian tells us that hospital admissions for alcohol related issues have actually icreased 69%. That's huge. I can't believe people are resistant to the idea that people should take responsibility for their own drinking or else pay an additional cost.

Soaring levels of alcohol consumption and obesity mar Labour's NHS record | Society | The Observer

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Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia? :D

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No, Lewisham :)

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here ;)

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man ;D

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Should idiots who came up with this bs be jailed.