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Bunce does waffle some shite sometimes but when I heard this I thought this can't be true, this would of been huge news surely if this was the case?? Listen to the podcast you might be shocked with what he says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwovO...layer_embedded
Bunce has made himself look like a right prick coming out with that. It's probably part of his 'defend British boxing at all costs' attitude.
when was this recorded ??
I think Feb this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I'd like to see where he gained his facts from to say "Trust me I know". I don't think there is a huge amount of info with regards to what happened but who knows. Think I'd like to do some more digging on this one....
I don't normally mind Bunce but how the fuck does he know what doctors tell their patients? Was he there? I doubt it very much. It's probably just hear say and he'll have decided to believe that piece as it makes boxing sound better after a dreadfull accident.
It was a pretty well known Fact at the time.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
I have read everything in sight regarding this and the incidents after the fight I never heard it once?
I certainly don't know the ins and outs of what happened after the fight, but it seems a bit strange and I would like to know more. Was McClennan really walking around fine after the fight? :confused:
Well I am on my blackberry so I'm not going to bother playing the podcast but on this issue I have heard 1 thing that gives an excuse for The G-Man's injuries other than Benn rabbit punching the entire fight. That excuse is that McClellan went through very VERY hard sparring sessions that damaged him before the Benn fight even started or at least weakened him to a point where he was vulnerable to injuries.
What is the crux of the argument that bald stooge is peddling?
No he said McClellan got up and walked out of the hospital in England and didn't have any problems until he ignored orders not to fly and went to America.
I'm not sure who comes out with more bullshit.... Bunce or lyle....
So according to Bunce, Even though Mclellen left the ring on a strecher with an oxygen mask on, he left england the next day right as rain and it was the flight and american after care that made him the way he is now....
i'm not sure I buy that.
I just read something Bunce has put about it and he does say he has wrote about this lost over the past 15 years, I was young but the first time I heard this interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I dont see how he can be lying when hes named the neurosurgeon that treated Gerald??
So he names the guy so that makes it true :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Why is everybody making such a big fuss over this? I don't know whether it's hear say or not but it is more than possible for neurological damage to happen after an impact or trauma... that's why my dad spent months in a hospital ward after getting hit by a car, he was allowed out for an hour so we could have a meal next to the hospital on my 18th birthday and even that the doctors weren't very happy about.
Why are you all acting so offended? it's possible that this could happen... whether it's true or not I really don't get why you're all so eager to dismiss it and tear bunce a new arsehole.
Exactly, if Bunce has named the neurosurgeon, which he did, then you only have to ask him!
The surgeon Sutcliffe was addament, That McClelland was not to be moved. He was recovering well, it was His Family that moved Him, against the Hospitals wishes. I was talking to Mr Ashshar head of the Nuerosurgical unit at St Barts some time after. He like everyone was furiuos what had taken place.
The G-Man had already been showing signs of injury prior to the fight.
Tarick Salmaci (The Contender) was a former sparring partner for the G-Man and a stable mate of the G-Man at Kronk Gym. He did an interview in 2007 about the events he saw with his own eyes and events he heard with his own ears that took place leading up to the fight with Benn.
Look it up online and read up on it...
....is there a reason for your comment about me or is it just that time of the month for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Wait, so is he suggesting that the fight didn't cause GMan to be the way he is now? or that ignoring the doctors advice caused it?
Because he was in no way "okay" after the fight. He was peeing blood in the locker room according to the documentary..
Benn was pissing Blood after the Fight, Mccellan was in the Hospital having surgery.
Also I heard Montell Griffins had KOd him badly in sparring leading up to the Fight, from a very good source.
That's what I was talking about! Very hard sparring, McClellan may not have been in the best shape and those rabbit punches probably didn't help out though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Surely!!!
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oh yeah youre right...either way they both were done as a result of the beating they received from each. Even if Gman stayed in Europe his career was over after that fight, the residual damage is speculative after that. But I'm no doctor...;D;D;D
Bunce is full of shit if that's what he's claiming. McClellan was taken to hospital and had an immediate operation on his brain. Benn and McClellan spent the night in beds next to each other in a private hospital ward. From Sunday morning onwards the press were reporting that McClellan had suffered a serious brain injury, had been operated on and it was touch and go whether he'd survive. He was in a coma for two weeks. He was eventually flown out of the country in a wheelchair on a funking drip.
Why would Bunce make something like that up though? Ive heard him say it before
post brain surgery is it now (or then) standard to keep a patient sedated to allow swelling to go down?
I don't think flying someone out would do them any good.. your body swells during flight. But I'm no doctor. :cool:
I had always assumed it went like Kirkland said but who knows, I definitely don't.
Buncy is telling the Truth, I was there with another Fighter on the night. Everything He says is the truth.They Flew Him out, because they were saving money, dont think they understood it was free :rolleyes:
Bloody hell! That sounds like madness, no way he should have going anywhere!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
well if he was making it up he wouldnt name the guy, im pretty sure he could potentially face legal issues by implicating somebody who didnt say what bunce is claimingQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983So he names the guy so that makes it true :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I didn't know that he had hard sparring with Griffin, but I had heard he may have been going in the ring with a possible head injury and that the MRI scans had not been carried out before the fight the way they have to be in world level fights these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleThat's what I was talking about! Very hard sparring, McClellan may not have been in the best shape and those rabbit punches probably didn't help out though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
I assume that these stories are linked and from what i've read in this thread I would have to say that it sounds like a likely assumpton too. I just wonder what would have happened had the fight ended when Gerald had Benn in trouble early on?? Would he have still ended up in a bad way or, if he was carrying a head injury already, would it have been found and sorted before any lasting damage occured
I think people are comparing the screening/medical processes of today with 1995..:-\
and plenty of boxers have got in to the ring WITH injuries
Maybe, but how many have got into the ring with unknown head injuries?? Fighting with a broken hand is not like getting into a ring with a timebomb in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I'm not saying anyone knew he was in a bad way although he did suffer from regular, severe headaches after he fought Julian Jackson first time around.
I found this artcile published by Sports Illustrated maybe 10 days after the fight. Although it was before Mcclellan was flown home to the US it is a good artcile to read being 3 pages long.
A brutal title bout left Gerald McClellan fighting for his - 03.06.95 - SI Vault
Bunce says he was walking around fine after the fight (I haven't listened to it but somebody posted that bit). But he was never fine, he was blind and in a wheelchair, they said he'd never walk again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
And Fenster I don't know why he'd say it but there's a hell of a difference between walking around unaided and emerging from a two week coma blind and unable to walk.
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonwell if he was making it up he wouldnt name the guy, im pretty sure he could potentially face legal issues by implicating somebody who didnt say what bunce is claimingQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983So he names the guy so that makes it true :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Who said he was making it up?? Not me, but his view or what information he has got is different to almost everything I have ever read or seen regarding this fight and I have researched this hundreds of times over the years, so I think Bunce ( who talks a lot of shite especially regarding anything to do with our American friends ) is not the most reliable of sources.
Yeah, no way was he fine after the fight. Unless Bunce has been in a coma before & found it a doddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingBunce says he was walking around fine after the fight (I haven't listened to it but somebody posted that bit). But he was never fine, he was blind and in a wheelchair, they said he'd never walk again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
And Fenster I don't know why he'd say it but there's a hell of a difference between walking around unaided and emerging from a two week coma blind and unable to walk.
But, if Scrap and others are supporting some of this, then I'll definitely buy that they might have taken him home too quickly, but to say that's the only reason he's in the state he is, is just bizarre.