It always seems to happen to mayweather, until he fights them, he is the coward gayweather, and then after he beats them,o well they were supposed to lose, people wanted to see this, hope it wont get swept under the rug
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It always seems to happen to mayweather, until he fights them, he is the coward gayweather, and then after he beats them,o well they were supposed to lose, people wanted to see this, hope it wont get swept under the rug
There will be those that will say it, I want be one of them. Sure Mosley isn't at his peak but imo he's the most competitive opponent Floyd has faced in years!
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Originally Posted by Galaxy
Doesn't say much more floyd's opponent selection...
He's taken the bigger money over the better fights in recent years! That's why I applaud him for taking such a risky fight. Sure Floyd is the wide favourite but I'm sure there are very few that can't conceive a Mosley victory & that he has no chance at all... Mosley is a very live dog in this fight!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Doesn't say much more floyd's opponent selection...
Should be great. Hope Shane wobbles Floyd for once so we can see him really tested out.
Good on Floyd for taking it on too, it is the riskiest fight available to him.
Yeah, aside from the Pacquiao fight this is the next best thing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
How can anybody say anything bad about this fight when a lot of naysayers including Roach thought Mayweather wouldn't sign to fight Mosley. If not Pac, who else would people like to see Floyd fight? It was either Pac or Mosley. Nobody else matters at welterweight for the these guys. I personally think Mosley is going to take Mayweather to places "He don't like." Even if Mayweather does win Mosley will be something serious to Floyd. If Floyd wins easily I will be shocked. So you know now I will give no excuses if I am wrong. I see Mosley and Mayweather fighting tooth and nail. Mayweather better bring his Corrales magic for this fight.
So 39 years old for a WW/LMW isnt old ? is that what you are saying ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
If not what do you class as old ?
If he's "old" then don't pick him against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSo 39 years old for a WW/LMW isnt old ? is that what you are saying ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
If not what do you class as old ?
Don't say Mosley is gonna beat Floyd and then if Floyd wins say Mosley is old. If you are gonna say Mosley is old then don't pick Shane to win. Simple as that I think.
Shane is old but i still think he has enough left , and the right style to beat Mayweather , as for you telling me what i can and cant do , go fuck yourself you freak , how is Jackson these days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyIf he's "old" then don't pick him against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSo 39 years old for a WW/LMW isnt old ? is that what you are saying ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
If not what do you class as old ?
Don't say Mosley is gonna beat Floyd and then if Floyd wins say Mosley is old. If you are gonna say Mosley is old then don't pick Shane to win. Simple as that I think.
Touchy!
This is pointless. It's the nature of fight fans that as soon as a guy loses, or loses again, he isn't good as he was before. Mosley will no doubt be thought of as less of a credible threat. This should have a name like the Jeff Lacy theory.
it's as simple as if someone is gonna say a fighter is old if they lose then don't pick that fighter to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlShane is old but i still think he has enough left , and the right style to beat Mayweather , as for you telling me what i can and cant do , go fuck yourself you freak , how is Jackson these days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyIf he's "old" then don't pick him against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Don't say Mosley is gonna beat Floyd and then if Floyd wins say Mosley is old. If you are gonna say Mosley is old then don't pick Shane to win. Simple as that I think.
Don't say "Mosley is gonna beat Floyd" and then if he loses say "Mosley is old" as if, if he was young then you would have been right in your prediction.
I'm picking Mayweather to win this in a more one sided fashion then others may pick for him. And I'm not gonna make any excuse if Mayweather loses.
So none should make an excuse for Mosley if he loses. Because if he is "old" then why pick him?
So if you think Mosley has enough to beat Floyd stick with that, don't just abandon it if Floyd puts a beating on Mosley.
Does it count if Mayweather just MAKES him LOOK old?
Or if you start saying he's old right now, would that be okay??
I think he's old right now. Too old for Mayweather.. And Mayweather is most likely going to make him look much older than he would look against anyone else..
And besides, we aren't all psychics... In hindsight we can all have better judgements... Right now people can focus on a lot of what Mosley has to offer.. And in reality that is quite a bit... And how the f'ck do we know if he's going to look like a million bucks in there, or old and sh!t like he doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Mayweather?? Of course people can say right now that Mosley has a good shot and even with his age, one could expect him to do well... But then after the fight realise that, you know what, he was to old! He didn't have the snap in his punches or the spring in his step or the reflexes he once had... I want to beleive he'll have all that.. And I think it's great for someone to pin their hopes on that and overlook his age in support of him... But after the fight, we'll all see for sure how old he is or looks....
I think the main point is, that no one is taking something away from Floyd by saying Mosley is old after the fight.. Yes they say he's a threat now.. Yes they'll say he was just too old after the fight... That doesn't take away from the fact he was a threat to begin with and that Floyd had a challenge on his hands.. It just proves that you have to be 100% to beat Floyd, and in Hindsight, Mosley wasn't.....
I think Majesty has a point. If someone is picking Mosley to win don't use some excuse later like say Mosley was old as an excuse if he loses.
Not going to mention names, but when Pacquiao beat Cotto, the same people that predicted Cotto would ko Pac later said Pacquiao beat a shot fighter, that was an excuse to discredit that win, they didn't say he was a shot fighter before the fight, but after the fight that was the excused used.
If you're making a prediction on the guy stick to it don't use some sorry excuse later on if the fighter you're backing loses.
I have to say I agree.
Exactly, I picked Cotto to beat Pacman & when Pacquiao dominated him I was amazed!!! All credit to Pacquiao in that fight, now though going into the Foreman fight I feel Cotto is on the slide.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
In this fight though I think Mosley although not at his peak is still at an elite level & a huge risk for Mayweather...
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I get where you are saying it's wrong..
Like if you said Cotto is going to beat Pac, and the afterwards say Cotto was shot,,, to discredit the win, then that's crap....
But for someone to genuinely think something, like how Galaxy thought Cotto would really trouble Pac, but then after the fight be able to say "you know what, Cotto was a shot fighter", I don't think there is a single thing wrong with that at all.. Unless it's to discredit the win, by saying that Cotto was no challenge and Pac shouldn't be proud of it.... In that case, you are being a douche and flipping your opinion to take something away from someone..
But otherwise, you are just using hindsight to rectify a perception you had before a fight, vs after it.
Actually Dizaster is very accurate. Hindsight tells us a lot but mostly with fights people use it as an excuse for why things didn't go as planned. But in order to see if a fighter is shot or aged you have to see it in a fight. How else can you really tell? I personally don't hang out with these guys so I don't know what they are looking like in sparring or training. But when Mayweather is on he actually makes everybody look old or overmatched so naturally it will be said Mosley was too old. Just like people said Marquez wasn't effective at 147. Marquez fought one welterweight and it was against the absolute toughest guy to look good against. But somehow we get the conclusion that Marquez couldn't carry the weight. The same goes with Pacquiao/Cotto though Cotto's situation is a little different. The writing was on the wall even Roach said it after the Clottey fight. But if Cotto was damaged goods Pacquiao is the guy who will show it because he is about the most explosive and relentless guy in boxing. So if you can no longer take damaging blows it will surely tell in a Pacquiao fight. And if you are too old it will surely tell in a Mayweather fight. Not to take anything away from either Pac or Mayweather but you can not be damaged or slipping to deal with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I get where you are saying it's wrong..
Like if you said Cotto is going to beat Pac, and the afterwards say Cotto was shot,,, to discredit the win, then that's crap....
But for someone to genuinely think something, like how Galaxy thought Cotto would really trouble Pac, but then after the fight be able to say "you know what, Cotto was a shot fighter", I don't think there is a single thing wrong with that at all.. Unless it's to discredit the win, by saying that Cotto was no challenge and Pac shouldn't be proud of it.... In that case, you are being a douche and flipping your opinion to take something away from someone..
But otherwise, you are just using hindsight to rectify a perception you had before a fight, vs after it.
You can pick mosley and still acknowledge the fact that he's old. Old as fuck for boxing esp in a division where speed and reflexes are normally the dominant physical attributes. Nothing anyone says is going to change the fact that Shane is 39. This is the double edge sword of picking opponents that Floyd has brought on himself. It's a win/win for Shane because if he goes in and fights a close competitive fight at 39 many will say he'd easily beat floyd in his prime. If he wins, then he's almost like George Foreman if not better because Moorer wasn't p4p number 1. And before the Floyd parrots, and ostrich supporters with their head up his ass respond with recycled "Pretty Propaganda"
It was floyd that dismissed shane as a steroid using sparring partner with five losses. But after being a moron with his money and fucking up the pacman fight under the bullshit pretense of cleaning up the sport all while conveniently forgetting that he reneged on a contract against JMM about an agreed upon weight. Mr. Honorable indeed. So after his bullshit costs him the biggest purse since Oscar he's forced to face OLD Shane Mosley who may still end up whooping his ass and put a huge dent in his little ego.
He wins this he deserves credit for the win I mean this is Shane Mosley...Even a past it Mosley is better then most guys could ever hope to be....
Mosley is certainly a tougher opp...Or I think a better way to phrase it would be....
Mosley is a more high risk opp then
Marquez
Hatton
Baldomir
Judah
Mitchell
Gatti
Bruseles
Corley
N'dou.....
His last 9 opp leaving out DLH
Of those guys listed none were prime when Mayweather best them and in the divisions there were tougher fights for sure at the time..
Mosleys last 5 were
Margarito
Mayorga
Cotto
Collazo
Vargas...
He lost to Cotto Vargas was past it and Mayorga is well...Mayorga not expected to win against guys like Mosley but still tough...
So not as if Mosley has been fighting second raters and looking good because of that fact...
There is nothing that Mosley has done to make anyone be able to say he was old etc if he loses...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
:o:o:o:o...............Wow mate
I'm glad this thread was made. Not because of the point the initial post made but because of the conclusions that come of it.
I'm glad that we can now clearly seperate just plain 'Shane is old' from 'If Shane looses, I will discredit Mayweather's win because Shane is old'.
The fact is Shane is old but deserves to be in the ring with Floyd. If Shane has a bad performance, age might appear to be a factor to him but it we won't know if it matters to Floyd ;)
Just for the record, I think Shane is old and that he will win :)
Oh shane was old.
Doesn't matter what Floyd fans say the haters have a win/win fight on their hands.
Shane only has to be half-competitive to persuade most he would have beaten Floyd when younger.
You're absolutely correct. But I'm not a Floyd hater and don't need Shane to fight close to be convinced that prime vs prime Shane walks through Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Always been a Floyd supporter. Always been a Mosley supporter.
I'd have to remind em that Floyd isn't exactly young himself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
True...Floyd is getting to the age where it is time for most to wind down especially fighters WW and under....Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieI'd have to remind em that Floyd isn't exactly young himself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The built-in excuses is what I hate most about boxing.
Shane is rated no.2 at welterweight, no.3 P4P and is coming off one of his greatest wins. His age shouldn't be a factor due to his current standing in world boxing.
Anyone that beats a fighter with those credentials deserves nothing but huge respect. Obviously, as already highlighted, that wont be the case. Shame.
BHOP is still rated top 2 at LHW. 6 p4p, and WBO super champ, but if he were to fight Dawson, that 45 age would look like 55. Hey it's too bad but that's the boxing game. Floyd has to utterly dominant Shane, period. Because if he's not going to get any credit he might as well try to do something no one has ever done which is stop shane, that will give a lot weight to floydboys in regards to how they might have match in their primes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I f*cking hate when that excuse gets chucked out.
If your young enough to train for 12 solid weeks and spar for 6 your young enough to fight
The difference is - Hopkins is not coming off a great performance. Hopkins looked shit against Roy. His rating is pretty much false at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherBHOP is still rated top 2 at LHW. 6 p4p, and WBO super champ, but if he were to fight Dawson, that 45 age would look like 55. Hey it's too bad but that's the boxing game Floyd has to utterly dominant Shane, period. Because if he's not going to get any credit he might as well try to do something no one has ever done which is stop shane, that will give a lot weight to floydboys in regards to how they might have match in their primes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Had Hopkins fought Dawson after the Pavlik win plenty would have picked him.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Tell that to evander if he faces Ivan Klitschko
Shane is old... but his recent fights have indicated that he can still fight and is without a trace of ill effects from missing a beat. Surprisingly, with success of his outing with the "brick banger", Antonio, he has decisively negated this factoid as a handicap.
Shane or Floyd Jr. wins this fight, either man should be given full credit for it, for it is a great fight.
True boxing fans can surely appreciate this match-up!
My first post says simply , if 39 isnt old for a WW / LMW then what is old ?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
its a question , one which nobody has answerwed !
and i stick to the fact Mosley aged 39 will win .
I'm gonna say that I want Shane to win, no doubt... I want him to Nonito Donaire Mayweathers ass and just catch him with a clean ass punch that knocks the taste out of his mouth... But Mosley will look old against Mayweather. I can see it now. Mayweather is not going to give him the extra second to connect like he did against Margarito. Margarito made Mosley look like the fastest guy on the planet. Mosley is quick but he will be countered effectivley all night. I hate Mayweather but I'll call it like I see it. I think Mosley has been on the solid decline fore sometime and, in fact, his speech is being effected. As quick as Mosley looks, Mayweather will be much faster. I hate Mayweather and love Mosley but people are getting their hopes up for yet another one sided fight. I want nothing better than to see Floyd go down in flames... If this fight happened 5 or 6 years ago... Maybe. But not now.
Shane is old but he has that toughness which shows us his true grit. I guess Foreman started "it", albeit the heavyweight field was crap when he regained the title. Old doesn't mean you're done. Boxing doesn't have the worlds most gifted athletes competing so sometimes that savvy wisdom can prevail over younger, stronger, faster and even those with more heart.
39 is definitely old for a fighter. That of course doesn't mean they can't turn in great performances, but it definitely is an age where you're going to be past your best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMy first post says simply , if 39 isnt old for a WW / LMW then what is old ?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
its a question , one which nobody has answerwed !
and i stick to the fact Mosley aged 39 will win .
but Al, did say, that he's choosing an old, past his best, Mosley to win the fight, which is fine. But that is stating, clearly, that he's acknowledging the age gap, and looking past it.. therefore if he says 'mayweather beat an old declining mosley, big deal!' after the fight, then it's a near non-credible opinion.
it's not like there is some unforeseen handicap that mosley will all of a sudden develop on fight night.. like the flu, or an injury.. it's already determined that he's the older fighter, and that he is past his prime, and that Al or anyone else who chooses him to win understands this and can't make excuses.
easy enough.
Again... I hate Mayweather but We'll see if savvy saves Mosley from getting the shit counter punched out of him. Nobody has more ring savvy than Floyd. Fact. Floyd can stop and switch his game plan at the drop of a hat, and we saw against Wright that Mosley isn't as skilled at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
We saw mosley fighting too high...he adapted perfectly to pull out the first fight with oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONAgain... I hate Mayweather but We'll see if savvy saves Mosley from getting the shit counter punched out of him. Nobody has more ring savvy than Floyd. Fact. Floyd can stop and switch his game plan at the drop of a hat, and we saw against Wright that Mosley isn't as skilled at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Regardless, he isn't able to adapt as fast as Mayweather can. I gree he was fighting too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWe saw mosley fighting too high...he adapted perfectly to pull out the first fight with oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONAgain... I hate Mayweather but We'll see if savvy saves Mosley from getting the shit counter punched out of him. Nobody has more ring savvy than Floyd. Fact. Floyd can stop and switch his game plan at the drop of a hat, and we saw against Wright that Mosley isn't as skilled at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny