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I'm Feeling Like This Fight Depends On The Ref. And I Say This Because Mayweather Uses That Elbow All The Time In His First Castillo Fight He Lost A Point For It, But Then During The Hatton Fight He Didn't Get Penalized And He Used It The Whole Fight Damn Near.
You are always obsessed with Mayweather's elbows.
Are you talking about his elbows or when he pushes off with his forearm?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
As much as mosley hugs this is one fight floyd is going to need that elbow. We all know he uses it, and he rarely gets called for it. Instead of fighters complaining they need to find a way around it. Just like bradleys head, b hops whole style, clotteys dome, etc....all these guys use whatever they can get away with, and that's in any sport. The loosers cry about and still take a loss on thier record, and the winners are aware of it and win anyway. If the ref called mosleys hugging and floyds illegal tactics we wouldn't have a fight we'd be paying to watch a ref.
Dont worry about me i'm talking about boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I hope he brings it up with the ref before the fight.
http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/03/carey/elbow.jpg
It could be worse.
I wanna drive that van around on my Stag Do ;D
Haha. Well you can't. I need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by ono
why have i now suddenly got the urge to shout in my strongest JR voice "GET UP AUSTIN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET UP"
First of all Mayweather either uses the forearm or the elbow to block the right hand from coming overtop in close, he hardly uses the actually elbow as a weapon hardly at all, and he hardly hit Hatton with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
He likes to use his foreman to make space on the inside so he can throw punches, and I agree it should be penalized, but how he uses his elbow to block shots isn't illegal at all and should be allowed.
This is right. It's the forearm that is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethFirst of all Mayweather either uses the forearm or the elbow to block the right hand from coming overtop in close, he hardly uses the actually elbow as a weapon hardly at all, and he hardly hit Hatton with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
He likes to use his foreman to make space on the inside so he can throw punches, and I agree it should be penalized, but how he uses his elbow to block shots isn't illegal at all and should be allowed.
Yeah its a big problem ;D
That is the forearm, and I guarantee he didn't throw at Hatton as much as positioned it there. You will see mayweather's forearm in a lot of guys' faces like this when they have him on the ropes, but he doesn't use it as a weapon, he uses it to block the right hand coming over top.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The ropes ain't anywhere near them in that pic. Whacking people with your forearm to avoid right hands is still not on. Look at the pic "Got your left hand tucked under here, perfect, elbow over the top there as you have no hands to block it with"Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThat is the forearm, and I guarantee he didn't throw at Hatton as much as positioned it there. You will see mayweather's forearm in a lot of guys' faces like this when they have him on the ropes, but he doesn't use it as a weapon, he uses it to block the right hand coming over top.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Oh right, they should look to avoid that foul then and train for it? rather than protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Should they get sparring partners to stick elbows in their face? Should they ever need to?
The answer is no.
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Originally Posted by KelOh right, they should look to avoid that foul then and train for it? rather than protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Should they get sparring partners to stick elbows in their face? Should they ever need to?
The answer is no.
Or how about training for getting hit while down, like Dirrel-AA
Looks to me like Mayweather is trying to protect himself from Ricky holding and hitting (not that ricky has ever done that:rolleyes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Mayweather does like to use the forearm/elbow a fair bit in fights and I do wish referees would call him out on it more. Mosley's team should make a point of it before the fight so that everyone is aware of when it is happening.
Mayweather's elbow? is that like tennis elbow?
He threw it constantly against Hatton. Not sure what fight you were watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThat is the forearm, and I guarantee he didn't throw at Hatton as much as positioned it there. You will see mayweather's forearm in a lot of guys' faces like this when they have him on the ropes, but he doesn't use it as a weapon, he uses it to block the right hand coming over top.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Very similar... Look for a large growth on your elbow which resembles a person's head... If growth is found, force elbow into head a few times, or see Dr Cortez for prompt removal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Kenny Bayliss is the ref, I think he's more of a guy who lets guys fight...I think he's one of the better refs.
The judges are: Moretti, Byrd, and Hoyle...don't know if that makes a difference for you guys.
One thing I wonder about is Shane Mosley has KIND OF fought against Mayweather's style before in the rematch vs De la Hoya (who was trained by Floyd Sr.) and he did enough to get the win then and that was vs a bigger stronger fighter, but not a faster fighter. I just wonder if Shane already feels familiar enough with PBF's style that he can sneak in 1 or 2 punches that hurt Floyd or even put him down.
I can't say i've watched all of Floyd's fights,,, but one person I recall troubling him at times was Judah... Mayweather can start looking a little less sure of himself if someone can land on him unexpectedly... Judah did surprisingly well at times during that fight, and if he was the sort of person who could capitalize on that, it could have been much more interesting..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You'd think if Shane can land at least a little more effectively that most of Floyd's other opponents, he may be able to work in from there more than Judah did and trouble Floyd like no one else really has...
You'd think.... But thinking is often stupid in the lead up to a Mayweather fight.. Accepting is usually the word you should settle on..
Yeah, Judah was effective in the first few rounds against PBF. :) Speed had been a factor in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterI can't say i've watched all of Floyd's fights,,, but one person I recall troubling him at times was Judah... Mayweather can start looking a little less sure of himself if someone can land on him unexpectedly... Judah did surprisingly well at times during that fight, and if he was the sort of person who could capitalize on that, it could have been much more interesting..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You'd think if Shane can land at least a little more effectively that most of Floyd's other opponents, he may be able to work in from there more than Judah did and trouble Floyd like no one else really has...
You'd think.... But thinking is often stupid in the lead up to a Mayweather fight.. Accepting is usually the word you should settle on..
Shane would have his chance against PBF. :)
I'll be definitely rooting for Shane.
Shane has been one of my favorite fighters ever since.;)
did you hear mosley talk about the elbow? If it wasn't that big why would mosley warn the ref.
Floyd used the elbow a lot in the fight. if you can get away with it then do.
Great fighters are able to bend the rules a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Yes you are right, the elbows won that fight for Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
what a punch...... i like it