i feel slightly sorry for froch and heres why

carl will never be thought of in the same vein as calzaghe in terms of how good he was because of the kessler fight - from the unknowledgeable boxing fans

and the truth is he probably isnt/wasnt as good as calzaghe but

he is twice the man calzaghe was in terms of taking fights and that makes me respect him a whole lot more, he is a true rocky style fighter, looks like hes never been in a gym before from his technique lol but hes a fighter who is world class who should have been only very good.

Respect for the cobra, i would bet my house on not seeing any shit from him once he retires unlike calzaghe with his drugs etc,
even if froch is a bit of a dick sometimes in interviews hes what boxing should be about, as is kessler, which is class and guts. They both have tons and i hope froch kessler abraham and ward will make the semis but obviously it doesnt seem to likly - unless froch beats abraham (i think he can) and direll loses to ward

Froch turns people off all on his own, hes the one that has made people think of Calzaghe comparisons by constantly bringing his name up and talking craap about him, even after turning down a fight with him:rolleyes:

Now we have a decent comparison, all be it against a softer version of Kessler but hFroch still got taken care of comfortably. Froch would have alot more support if he had just let his fighting doing the talking instead of trying to brainwash people in to beleiving hes quick, powerfull and elusive;D

kessler took half the fight to get going and that is down to his confidence but this will boost that and he will have become a bit more sharper from it and I see him stopping Green which will make him a very hard fight for anyone.

I see Kessler having to fight Ward again, if he doesnt hesitate like he did last time and forces things more, lets the right hand go, then he can still win the whole thing. The last few rounds last night he was letting his hands go more, if hed started like that, Froch wouldnt have won a round.

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Froch turns people off all on his own, hes the one that has made people think of Calzaghe comparisons by constantly bringing his name up and talking craap about him, even after turning down a fight with him:rolleyes:

Now we have a decent comparison, all be it against a softer version of Kessler but hFroch still got taken care of comfortably. Froch would have alot more support if he had just let his fighting doing the talking instead of trying to brainwash people in to beleiving hes quick, powerfull and elusive;D

kessler took half the fight to get going and that is down to his confidence but this will boost that and he will have become a bit more sharper from it and I see him stopping Green which will make him a very hard fight for anyone.

I see Kessler having to fight Ward again, if he doesnt hesitate like he did last time and forces things more, lets the right hand go, then he can still win the whole thing. The last few rounds last night he was letting his hands go more, if hed started like that, Froch wouldnt have won a round.

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Ward will handle Kessler every day of the week.

Carl suffers from what i like to call the Witter effect.

he came along in a time where there was another more popular UK boxer in his weight group and will always live in their shadow.

claiming you are better than the other said fighter in a classless way never goes down well with the fans.

I always have the belif that Witter and Carl may not have been better then the other boxers but they have both earned thier chance to prove it.

no matter what tosh they spout.

for me last night proved that Carl was better than i thought he was.... yeah he got beat and maybe Kess is on the slide but he done well IMHO

props to Carl and all the fighters for entering the super six in the first place... this helps make boxing better for the sport and the fans 8)

Also Carl fought Kess in Denmark but Joe got him at home so Im sure Carl will say if it was teh other way round Carl would have won and Joe would have lost

I look forward to hearing Joes statement. If he s a man though he will fight Carl himself instead of relying on Kessler to beat him .

i really thought kessler was going to retire froch or come close to it, i didnt think he would be the same, i thought it was going to be kessler andrade all over again and itas shocked me that it wasnt, due to kessler or froch probably a bit of kessler not being the force he was and froch being bbetter defensively than usual, although his technique was still insane lol.

froch to beat abraham by outboxing him - i think he will try and fight a more calm version of the pascal fight

Froch never was and never will be in Calzaghe's league, so it would be wrong for people to regard him on that level.

He does deserve credit for his last run of fights though.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, a loss to Kessler and getting knocked spark out by Abraham. Guy deserves respect.

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Froch never was and never will be in Calzaghe's league, so it would be wrong for people to regard him on that level.

He does deserve credit for his last run of fights though.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, a loss to Kessler and getting knocked spark out by Abraham. Guy deserves respect.

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Also Carl fought Kess in Denmark but Joe got him at home so Im sure Carl will say if it was teh other way round Carl would have won and Joe would have lost

I look forward to hearing Joes statement. If he s a man though he will fight Carl himself instead of relying on Kessler to beat him .

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Problem with that is, if Joe comes back and Froch beats him people will say he was fighting an inactive, old, washed up Calzaghe and would have never beaten the younger version. To some extent I agree (I don't think Froch beats a prime Calzaghe if they fought 10 times) but I think that fight is gone now and is best left as a "what might have been" rather than having it and then taking credibility away from Froch should he win (by no means am I saying he would either).

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Also Carl fought Kess in Denmark but Joe got him at home so Im sure Carl will say if it was teh other way round Carl would have won and Joe would have lost

I look forward to hearing Joes statement. If he s a man though he will fight Carl himself instead of relying on Kessler to beat him .

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Problem with that is, if Joe comes back and Froch beats him people will say he was fighting an inactive, old, washed up Calzaghe and would have never beaten the younger version. To some extent I agree (I don't think Froch beats a prime Calzaghe if they fought 10 times) but I think that fight is gone now and is best left as a "what might have been" rather than having it and then taking credibility away from Froch should he win (by no means am I saying he would either).

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Yeah theres no way of knowing now and peoples opinions will be what they will be.

If Carl did fight Joe now though Id pick Carl. Joe was floored by Mitchel and Salem. He was also heavily floored by old men at the end of his career in Jones and Hopkins. Carl would have the power to hurt him but Calzaghe couldnt hurt Carl so Joe wouldnt take the risk

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Also Carl fought Kess in Denmark but Joe got him at home so Im sure Carl will say if it was teh other way round Carl would have won and Joe would have lost

I look forward to hearing Joes statement. If he s a man though he will fight Carl himself instead of relying on Kessler to beat him .

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Problem with that is, if Joe comes back and Froch beats him people will say he was fighting an inactive, old, washed up Calzaghe and would have never beaten the younger version. To some extent I agree (I don't think Froch beats a prime Calzaghe if they fought 10 times) but I think that fight is gone now and is best left as a "what might have been" rather than having it and then taking credibility away from Froch should he win (by no means am I saying he would either).

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Yeah theres no way of knowing now and peoples opinions will be what they will be.

If Carl did fight Joe now though Id pick Carl. Joe was floored by Mitchel and Salem. He was also heavily floored by old men at the end of his career in Jones and Hopkins. Carl would have the power to hurt him but Calzaghe couldnt hurt Carl so Joe wouldnt take the risk

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Calzaghe would barely loose a round to Froch, would make the Lacy fight look competitive.

He is what he is. He'll always struggle with slick fighters but he'll always be in top quality fights against guys like Kessler and Pascal. The Abraham fight should be a cracker. I think Carl can outwork him.

Don't understand why he gets so much hate. Most fighters talk complete shit at some point. At least Froch is willing to back it up and take tough challenges by travelling to fight quality fighters in their backyards.

He has his limitations, but he's exciting to watch.

I just hope Froch doesn't start coming out with excuses! It was a great fight and as someone said above, all the guys in the super six earn loads of respect for going into the tournament and risking their 0's.

I wrote a blog on this: Total-Boxing Blog Boxing Needs More Carl Frochs

As for the Froch-Calzaghe snorefest. I never used to like it when Carl called him out, but at the end of the day it is how fights are made and how people start talking about a fighter. Hatton called out Mayweather and got him, and Haye has been winding up the Klitschko's and they wanna teach him a lesson.

Calzaghe was always the better of the two, but Frochs power could have troubled Joe, who was knocked down by B-Hop and Roy Jones. But at least Froch has pretty much bettered Joe's record in terms of credible names, or at least he will have by the end of the super six.

I dont see how Frochs power is any better than Joes seeing as Joe had Kessler in big trouble with a body shot only to be pulled away by the ref and then the round end!

Froch is 33 and has reached a plateau as far as how good hes going to get, Kessler has been better but I think he will look better still in his next fight, he lacked sharpness and confidence, hes gained both in this fight and even though the Ward fight took the confidence away its helped with his sharpness and fitness, seeing as hed only had 4 rounds before that Ward match and before that fight hed been out for a year, so he wasnt sharp for Ward, whereas if they meet again he will be;)

gutted for my man, cracking fight, just hope this isnt the end of carl! :(

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Also Carl fought Kess in Denmark but Joe got him at home so Im sure Carl will say if it was teh other way round Carl would have won and Joe would have lost

I look forward to hearing Joes statement. If he s a man though he will fight Carl himself instead of relying on Kessler to beat him .

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have to wait for him to drag his nose out the powder and fanny first.

After last night's fight I too think Calzaghe would barely lose a round to Froch had he not retired when he did. However, let's be fair, if Joe came out of retirement now he'd struggle against any of the super 6 fighters. He's 38 now and he's obviously not done his body any good with the shit he's sniffing and the booze he's downing. He was clearly on the slide anyway. This was evident when he moved up to light heavy. Also his hands didn't help matters because his knockout power had pretty much gone by then.

If Joe stayed active throughtout 2009 he would've dragged out a points win against Froch. If he fought him say, 6 months down the line that would be a terrible decision to make. Froch has a cracking chin, can really bang and always goes the full 12 so despite getting his head boxed off I bet he'd land a significant punch at some stage. Joe should remain retired, he was a great boxer, didn't fight the best when it mattered but it'd be futile to try and change that now.

Can I also raise another grating issue.....I was listening to Steve Bunce (what a cock btw) & Richie Woodall on the radio 5 live commentary last night and they were making excuses for Froch saying he'd had 3 hard fights on the bounce now and this would effect his longevity going into the rest of the tournament. I'm sorry but it's because Froch keeps getting his head boxed off that he makes it hard for himself (Kessler, Taylor). There's a clear blue print in how to beat Kessler now (as proved by Ward and Calzaghe) but he didn't have the skill to do it. There's no way on earh you could say the Dirrel fight was hard cos all he did was get caught with jabs, didn't take any significant shots and just chased him around the ring for 12 rounds (that's good for keeping fit if anything, nothing detrimental to the body there!). Pascal is also similarly one dimensional to Froch so, again, it's his fault he got dragged into a war on that occasion. Watch Froch get beat by Abraham and the excuses really start coming our way about how he made the mistake of entering such a hard competition and that's the only reason he didn't remain undefeated. You don't hear Pacman, Cotto, Mosely, Barrera etc using the same excuses!