Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany

Froch: I'll Quit Super Six if Abraham Fight is in Germany - Boxing News

As previously reported on BoxingScene.com, Arthur Abraham is confident the fight with Carl Froch, set for August 21, will head off to Germany. Froch says there is a pre-existing agreement to stage the fight in the UK, and if he's forced to fight Abraham in Germany, then he will quit Showtime's tournament, the Super Six Boxing Classic.

"I am adamant that the next fight, with Arthur Abraham, will be taking place in Britain. I won't be fighting in Germany, it's as simple as that," Froch told PA Sport. "It would mean me pulling out of the tournament if they forced me to fight in Berlin. So I want to get that straight from the start: it has already been agreed that I would fight at home, fight away and a fight back at home. It has been agreed with Ken Hershman at Showtime."

"So my fight with Abraham is in England or the fight is not happening and will make a mockery of the tournament. It's as simple as that."

Froch traveled to Denmark and lost a twelve round decision, and the WBC super middleweight title, on Saturday night to Mikkel Kessler. Now Froch is preparing to beat Abraham to secure a spot in the Super Six semi-finals.

"As the Super Six World Boxing Classic rolls on and gets more interesting, a win against Abraham puts me in the semi-final and then there is the final. I can still be undisputed champion in my next three fights, let's not forget that. This fight is going to make me stronger, better and more determined," Froch said.

If this is correct then he has to fight in England if not then if where the most money is, but come on as if Froch will quit, where the fuck would he go??

Fight Bute in Canada? What is the point in that there is to much reward for to Froch to quit, I think if there is no contract then this will end up in Germany as Abraham creates more money in Germany and lets have it right Fat Mick is a waste of space.

For someone who is confident about knocking someone out every time he steps in the ring, he really is making a fuss. Is he not confident he can knock Abraham out? :confused:

Can't blame him really. He'll get fuck all in Germany, but at the same time Abraham will get nothing in England.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

If this is correct then he has to fight in England if not then if where the most money is, but come on as if Froch will quit, where the fuck would he go??

Fight Bute in Canada? What is the point in that there is to much reward for to Froch to quit, I think if there is no contract then this will end up in Germany as Abraham creates more money in Germany and lets have it right Fat Mick is a waste of space.

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Oh please let him fight Lucian Bute, i'd love to see Bilbo's reaction. When he totally destroys Carl Froch.

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If this is correct then he has to fight in England if not then if where the most money is, but come on as if Froch will quit, where the fuck would he go??

Fight Bute in Canada? What is the point in that there is to much reward for to Froch to quit, I think if there is no contract then this will end up in Germany as Abraham creates more money in Germany and lets have it right Fat Mick is a waste of space.

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Exactly, he's got nowhere else to go if he leaves. Doubt Bute would got to Nottingham.

:rolleyes:...Always gotta be one in the crowd...The tourney is set up fairly so everyone gets a HT advantage.....Right now he is still licking his wounds from his first loss that is expected he will change his mind i am sure...

He is an ass but he is also a true fighter at heart

He'll quit ??!!! Lol !!! Take your overrated ass on then, don't even bother to stop and close the door on your way out. If the fight was in froch's own living room abraham would beat his ass anyway. I don't know about overseas but here in america nobody will miss him, most didn't even know he was in the tourny anyway. I'll quit...lol !!!! This guy is starting to sound like one of my kids....i'm sick i don't wanna fight, it's not where i want it i don't wanna fight. My car is scratched i don't wanna fight, I could've taken him out, i shoulda, coulda, woulda, whaaa whaaaaa. Give me a freakin break. You sure didn't mind taking advantage of a green direll in england in a fight most think he lost anyway. I'm growing tired of this guy already

AA brings the crowd and the money but Froch will get screwed in Germany.

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He'll quit ??!!! Lol !!! Take your overrated ass on then, don't even bother to stop and close the door on your way out. If the fight was in froch's own living room abraham would beat his ass anyway. I don't know about overseas but here in america nobody will miss him, most didn't even know he was in the tourny anyway. I'll quit...lol !!!! This guy is starting to sound like one of my kids....i'm sick i don't wanna fight, it's not where i want it i don't wanna fight. My car is scratched i don't wanna fight, I could've taken him out, i shoulda, coulda, woulda, whaaa whaaaaa. Give me a freakin break. You sure didn't mind taking advantage of a green direll in england in a fight most think he lost anyway. I'm growing tired of this guy already

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Did you catch the last Showtime fight camp? Where his car was getting vandalized and he said it must be Calzaghe fans ha ha ha...I know he was kidding but it was actually funny...

Froch comes off as a tool on TV but IMO he is probably a decent guy the kind you would call to hang with watch football etc...I really don't think he is as arrogant as they make him out to be,...Though at press confrences I have been to with him he is a tool....But after the conference to talk with him he is a gentleman hard guy to figure out

Sounds like he's not taking defeat too well. He can't quit, he's got a contract with Showtime. If he does quit he'll have to pay them back what he made for his first two SS fights and possibly a bit more. And then what's going to happen? Bute isn't going to come to Nottingham even if they could make that fight (highly unlikely, don't think HBO want their boy fighting a SS reject) so Froch would be fighting away from home anyway. And if he couldn't fight Bute he'll have to fight some nontitle fights until the SS is over and he isn't getting any younger. Plus the post-bandwagon Froch crowd to see him fight B level guys like Bika isn't going to pay much and will make nothing from TV. So he's stuck with the SS.

The only ray of sunshine I heard was on Five Live in the car this afternoon, I just switched the radio on and somebody was saying something like "the word in Demark is that Sauerland will agree to a neutral venue to keep Froch in the tournament" but that was the end of the segment. Did anybody hear the full thing?

Sauerland have the financial muscle and they have the pull with Showtime compared to Fat Mick. They've got two guys in the tournament and a stable full of top prospects while FM has last legs Froch and nothing else. If they do go to a neutral venue it means some crappy American casino ballroom like Froch-Taylor. Compare that with 20 000 Germans at the O2 Berlin and no promoter is going to give that up so I just can't see a neutral venue when Showtime have Froch by the balls via his contract.

I was briefly liking Froch after Saturday, but thankfully he's reverted to being the giant knob he is. Thanks Carl. You prick.

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He'll quit ??!!! Lol !!! Take your overrated ass on then, don't even bother to stop and close the door on your way out. If the fight was in froch's own living room abraham would beat his ass anyway. I don't know about overseas but here in america nobody will miss him, most didn't even know he was in the tourny anyway. I'll quit...lol !!!! This guy is starting to sound like one of my kids....i'm sick i don't wanna fight, it's not where i want it i don't wanna fight. My car is scratched i don't wanna fight, I could've taken him out, i shoulda, coulda, woulda, whaaa whaaaaa. Give me a freakin break. You sure didn't mind taking advantage of a green direll in england in a fight most think he lost anyway. I'm growing tired of this guy already

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I know. It annoys me how he's been willing to fight in other guys backyards. It annoys me how 3 of his last 4 fights have been Fight of the Year candidates. It annoys me how his last 4 opponents have been top quality. I wish he'd fuck off. Boxing doesn't need this.

Ahh the attempt to put pressure when things aren't going your way. Good luck Carl.

I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.

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I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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I agree that there should be a neutral venue..

but, i disagree that 117-111 is iffy, just because it was a fight with a lot of close rounds.. you give two of the close rounds that that judge gave Kessler, to Froch, you have a 115-113 fight.. Froch didn't do much the entire fight, besides landing an eye-catching shot maybe 3 times throughout the fight.. Kessler pushed the fight, and if there were no major blows in the round, or anyone getting hurt, then he will get the round because he's making the fight a fight.

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I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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Careful. Common sense is frowned upon in these parts.

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I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.

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That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.

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I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?

They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.

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I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.

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That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.

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That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.

I can't stand Froch but more I think about it it sould be in neutral location seeing as this is meant to be a fair tournament and all.

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I can't stand Froch but more I think about it it sould be in neutral location seeing as this is meant to be a fair tournament and all.

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Exactly. The only problem is finding a neutral venue that is feasible for Froch and Abraham, not to mention their respective fans. Does the fight hold enough interest for it to be stateside? It's a tough one.

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I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.

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That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.

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That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.

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Exactly, it's the judges and also the referees who are just not doing an effective and impartial job. It's almost like they are acting in the interests of the home side because that's where the gate has come from and it shouldn't be like that. It's easy to say Froch should just shut up, grit his teeth and have to fight not only AA but also the officials, but it shouldn't need to be that way.

Froch should make a point of this. All the evidence suggests that it won't be impartial, so he would be silly not to stand up for himself before it all gets decided regardless.

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That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.

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That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.

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Exactly, it's the judges and also the referees who are just not doing an effective and impartial job. It's almost like they are acting in the interests of the home side because that's where the gate has come from and it shouldn't be like that. It's easy to say Froch should just shut up, grit his teeth and have to fight not only AA but also the officials, but it shouldn't need to be that way.

Froch should make a point of this. All the evidence suggests that it won't be impartial, so he would be silly not to stand up for himself before it all gets decided regardless.

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The referee in the Kessler-Froch fight was excellent, he didn't favour either man. Also the ref in the Abraham-Dirrell fight didn't favour either man, he just made a complete mess of everything.

Of all the fighters who've been screwed in some way so far, Froch has had by far the easiest ride. I'd like Froch-Abraham in a neutral venue, but I doubt it sells in America (the only place it would is in Califiornia where it would be like a home fight for AA), but I suspect Froch will see anywhere in mainland Europe as being in Abraham's favour.

One thing is that it's too big a fight for the Trent FM arena, & I'm not sure Froch could guarantee to fill the city ground in the same way AA can with the O2 in Berlin.

It's a toughie, no way enough interest stateside, and do they actually have enough followers to fill a decent 10,000 seater minimum in France (or neutral Switzerland)? Boxing seems to be huge in Germany but don't think there are enough hardcore Abraham fans who'd actually travel, sam goes for Froch. Most likely be in Germany economically and due to the fact Fat Miuck can't organise a piss up in a brewery, but if there's a decent American ref and officials then that might be fine.

Get a good ref like Weeks or Bayless, although Froch might still get screwed by the German judges, but then again who is he to complained after getting a gift in England against Dirrel?

You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.

Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...

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You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.

Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...

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Froch can't sell shit IN his home country

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You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.

Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...

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Froch can't sell shit IN his home country

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Which is a shame! He's fought 4 very tough fights on the trot, more than any other British fighter and still he is struggling for recognition. It's not as though he has a boring style nor is unwilling to face the best. It's unfortunate.

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You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.

Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...

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Froch can't sell shit IN his home country

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Exactly. The only promotions that go to neutral territory invlove Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson - guys who are among the most famous men on Earth.

Remember there is no title on the line for Froch-Abraham. I'm sure Showtime can get three American judges and American ref to ease the fear of "robbery."

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You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.

Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...

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Which is a shame! He's fought 4 very tough fights on the trot, more than any other British fighter and still he is struggling for recognition. It's not as though he has a boring style nor is unwilling to face the best. It's unfortunate.

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I dislike him and agree. Say what you want, but he really does seek out the best comp available. I still hope Abraham twats him, but I'd like it if I didn't have to watch the shoddy Primetime coverage to see it.

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Which is a shame! He's fought 4 very tough fights on the trot, more than any other British fighter and still he is struggling for recognition. It's not as though he has a boring style nor is unwilling to face the best. It's unfortunate.

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I dislike him and agree. Say what you want, but he really does seek out the best comp available. I still hope Abraham twats him, but I'd like it if I didn't have to watch the shoddy Primetime coverage to see it.

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I never really got Froch originally and still find him strange in interviews, but I have to respect him for the way he goes about things. He's goes about matchmaking the way you wish every fighter would.

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Can't blame him really. He'll get fuck all in Germany, but at the same time Abraham will get nothing in England.

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Exactly. Abs has to look no further than Mab - Khan to see just how dodgy this country can be and Carl can look at Reid vs Otke. If they cant agree they should go to purse bids or neutral location. Froch pulling out would be embarassing for his career and make a mockery of the tourrnament cuz Bika is not a worthy replacement.

Then again Taylor was 1st to quit Carl may be the second. They are dropping like flies. The last man standing will deserve it.

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He'll quit ??!!! Lol !!! Take your overrated ass on then, don't even bother to stop and close the door on your way out. If the fight was in froch's own living room abraham would beat his ass anyway. I don't know about overseas but here in america nobody will miss him, most didn't even know he was in the tourny anyway. I'll quit...lol !!!! This guy is starting to sound like one of my kids....i'm sick i don't wanna fight, it's not where i want it i don't wanna fight. My car is scratched i don't wanna fight, I could've taken him out, i shoulda, coulda, woulda, whaaa whaaaaa. Give me a freakin break. You sure didn't mind taking advantage of a green direll in england in a fight most think he lost anyway. I'm growing tired of this guy already

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Exactly - What I got from just the title of this thread was "Waaa waaa waaa! Bitch Bitch Bitch!"

Froch is easily one of the most unlikable fighters in boxing in my eyes. Oh you want it back in Nottingham because you felt like you got robbed in Denmark? (Like Direll was robbed in Nottingham?) When clearly you wern't robbed, you're just a disillusioned tool?

When did you become top dog of the sport to start making such demands...heck when did you become the top dog of the super middleweight division??

Yepp, go home Carl and sulk in the corner you twat

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If this is correct then he has to fight in England if not then if where the most money is, but come on as if Froch will quit, where the fuck would he go??

Fight Bute in Canada? What is the point in that there is to much reward for to Froch to quit, I think if there is no contract then this will end up in Germany as Abraham creates more money in Germany and lets have it right Fat Mick is a waste of space.

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Oh please let him fight Lucian Bute, i'd love to see Bilbo's reaction. When he totally destroys Carl Froch.

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Agreed. Froch would look like absolute GARBAGE against a south paw slickster.

at first i agreed with froch that if he had been told the fight with AA was in england then they should stand by it but in all honesty i agree with most of everyones posts here that now he aint champ he aint really got a leg to stand on, if he quiots this tournament he would have to move upto light heavy as everyone is tied up in SM's.

Froch is now asking for a million quid extra to go to Berlin but according to boxing scene the contract he signed rules out any extra payment.

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Froch can't withdraw from the SS or he'll face legal action/financial penalties.

And neither fighter can be forced to fight in each other's home country so Sauerland are currently talking about a neutral country. However they'd be throwing away over a million quid by doing so. There's also the possibility that the German TV company that have a deal with Sauerland will "demand" the fight is held in Germany. If Froch wants to make the most money he can from the fight he's going to have to go to Berlin.

it sounds as though he has no desire to get in the ring with abraham....?

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it sounds as though he has no desire to get in the ring with abraham....?

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I don't see it like that at all, it is just it is a must win fight or he is out of the event, so fighting in Germany and the way Froch fights it will be near impossible to get a decision he would need the ko, but the fight should be made where it makes more sense.

Very wise decision considering every current fight has resulted in a hometown result so far

Ward cheated several times over to beat kessler
dirrell feigned injury to get abraham DQ`d
Kessler got a controversial decision over froch

This tournament is just one big mess