After last nights fight does anyone doubt Bute and Ward are the best SMWTS in the wor

IMO after last nights fight Bute beats Froch and Kessler....I pick him over Green, I pick him over AA.....Dirrell will give him troubles because of speed but Bute is fast enough to give Dirrell a run for the money and he is better all around...Plus nhe is a better finisher and harder hitter for sure...

Ward depending on his next performance (I like him and think he has the goods but still not sure if it was all him or was it part Mikkel on the slide) if good as the Kessler fight would be the best opp and most troublesome for Bute

any opps?

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IMO after last nights fight Bute beats Froch and Kessler....I pick him over Green, I pick him over AA.....Dirrell will give him troubles because of speed but Bute is fast enough to give Dirrell a run for the money and he is better all around...Plus nhe is a better finisher and harder hitter for sure...

Ward depending on his next performance (I like him and think he has the goods but still not sure if it was all him or was it part Mikkel on the slide) if good as the Kessler fight would be the best opp and most troublesome for Bute

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Bro i've been rating Lucian Bute before he even won a title, i can show you a thread from way back in 2007. He's impressed me since quite early on.

Beating tough fighters like Sakio Bika easier than anyone else, including Joe Calzaghe.

He's also stopped 3 fighters who had never been stopped before. Librado Andrade, Kabary Salem, Fulengico Zuniga = He was stopped on cuts, not legitmately Ko'ed.

And he's been a world champion for 3 years now, and has dominated pretty much anyone. And he has an exciting style, i have no idea why people hate on him.

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IMO after last nights fight Bute beats Froch and Kessler....I pick him over Green, I pick him over AA.....Dirrell will give him troubles because of speed but Bute is fast enough to give Dirrell a run for the money and he is better all around...Plus nhe is a better finisher and harder hitter for sure...

Ward depending on his next performance (I like him and think he has the goods but still not sure if it was all him or was it part Mikkel on the slide) if good as the Kessler fight would be the best opp and most troublesome for Bute

any opps?

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Bro i've been rating Lucian Bute before he even won a title, i can show you a thread from way back in 2007. He's impressed me since quite early on.

Beating tough fighters like Sakio Bika easier than anyone else, including Joe Calzaghe.

He's also stopped 3 fighters who had never been stopped before. Librado Andrade, Kabary Salem, Fulengico Zuniga = He was stopped on cuts, not legitmately Ko'ed.

And he's been a world champion for 3 years now, and has dominated pretty much anyone. And he has an exciting style, i have no idea why people hate on him.

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Yeah I have been singing his praises a while myself...I am one of the few who say nhe should have gotten a KO loss to Andrade but I also think he was not prepared for a guy who took punches so well and was caught off guard...

Agree on the part where he takes guys out in an exciting fashion...I mean c'mon man he KO'd Andrade...I know Librado is second tier but certainly not due to lack of skill but Speed is his biggest enemy...Librado has the best chin I have seen in years....

Bute is going to rule the Division by end of next year...He is on many P4P list now and I am guessing will make Ring's by years end

Abraham would do to bute what andrade did but earlier -
Froch id say 55-45 in frochs favour
dirrell i think would win
kessler again a UD

i dont rate Bute however his wins over miranda and andrade 2 were impressive, hes fought the best available during this super six. Im guessing he will fight the winner and then we will see..

btw i think Taylor would beat Bute as well but also is nobody shocked taylor quit when he would have fought Ward whos not a concussive puncher, and it would be a fight imo taylor could win

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Abraham would do to bute what andrade did but earlier -
Froch id say 55-45 in frochs favour
dirrell i think would win
kessler again a UD

i dont rate Bute however his wins over miranda and andrade 2 were impressive, hes fought the best available during this super six. Im guessing he will fight the winner and then we will see..

btw i think Taylor would beat Bute as well but also is nobody shocked taylor quit when he would have fought Ward whos not a concussive puncher, and it would be a fight imo taylor could win

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That was for health reasons in truth,,,,DiBella kind of nudged him on it and really wanted him to take a break and make sure he is Ok...He suffered 2 tough back to back KO losses...

I am guessing by the Picking Kessler to win a UD comment alone you are not really either one who has seen a lot of Bute or for some reason are judging by the fact he is not in the S6.....

He hits harder then Froch...

He has a higher KO ratio then anyone in the Tournament

He is faster the Froch, Kessler and AA by far...

He has a great chin...his only real damaging fight was the first Andrade fight and lets face it Andrade (then and maybe now can't judge till we see how he handles to KO loss mentally) is hell for anyone even if just the fact he can absorb so much punsihment....

He has great footwork and ring generalship...He hits at all angles not to mention the fact he is a fantastic finisher....

Why did you leave Ward out of the reply?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEhCEUJAL8 Look at the hand speed....

Agree with the top post. My takeaway from Kessler/Froch was that Kessler and Froch are without a doubt the worst 2 fighters in the tournament (excluding Allan Green -- don't know where to put him yet). That was the sloppiest, most amateurish fight I've seen at a supposedly elite level in a long time. So many sequences where both guys were throwing flurries of wild arm punches and missing by a mile across the board. Ugly.

shza welcome back man it's been a while.

Froch surprisingly did better then I thought he did for the first 5 rounds I was able to watch. I guess my input doesn't mean much but I think Ward and Bute are definitely the division's hottest fighters and probably the best. I think Abraham has a shot at beating everyone because he can KO anyone and turn a round around faster then anyone in the division is capable of.

I know I'm a lone voice on here now pretty much but Bute is getting sparked the first time he faces a legit challenge.

Froch, Ward, Abraham and Dirrell all beat him, maybe Kessler too.

Just wait and see...

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I know I'm a lone voice on here now pretty much but Bute is getting sparked the first time he faces a legit challenge.

Froch, Ward, Abraham and Dirrell all beat him, maybe Kessler too.

Just wait and see...

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your not alone, just swarmed with crazys who think the boxing world begins and ends in north america

The 2 best super middleweights in world boxing fought saturday night and that will eventually go on to be the super 6 final pending sauerland and showtime trying to screw froch out of his rightful place as the best 168pounder in the world

Kessler's slipped IMO physically, even though he did perform better against Froch. Very difficult to gauge a fighter like Ward off one performance, I'm not personally willing to crown him yet and wouldnt be surprised if Green gave him a tough fight or even win. That said if he does come through the comp unbeaten then there's no doubt then.

I think Bute would've done well in the tourney, doubt he'd go through it undefeated though, doubt anyone would in such an evenly matched event where all fights have been won on home soil.

Anyone know the locations of the semi's and final? guessin semis might be home of the highest seeded fighter right?

One thing is for sure that if Froch was quoted correct in the later rounds talking about how much the body shots were killing him then Bute would have a field day and probably stop Froch.

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One thing is for sure that if Froch was quoted correct in the later rounds talking about how much the body shots were killing him then Bute would have a field day and probably stop Froch.

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The fight shouldnt of gone ahead, froch was unwell before and shouldnt of been allowed to fight. But being the brave warrior that he is he carried on and won a unanimous decision

fair play to him

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One thing is for sure that if Froch was quoted correct in the later rounds talking about how much the body shots were killing him then Bute would have a field day and probably stop Froch.

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The fight shouldnt of gone ahead, froch was unwell before and shouldnt of been allowed to fight. But being the brave warrior that he is he carried on and won a unanimous decision

fair play to him

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What was his illness or ailment?

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One thing is for sure that if Froch was quoted correct in the later rounds talking about how much the body shots were killing him then Bute would have a field day and probably stop Froch.

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The fight shouldnt of gone ahead, froch was unwell before and shouldnt of been allowed to fight. But being the brave warrior that he is he carried on and won a unanimous decision

fair play to him

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Froch is a brave fighter yes however he's done nothing but whinge and make excuses since Saturday so you can also class him as a poor loser.

Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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what he said. I do think he'd be competitive against the lot, but would have couple l's on his record if he were in this tourney having to travel.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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what he said. I do think he'd be competitive against the lot, but would have couple l's on his record if he were in this tourney having to travel.

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I'm pretty sure no fighter would remain unbeaten if they had to fight A-class opposition every fight. Doesn't matter how good you are, eventually the fights will catch-up with you.

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One thing is for sure that if Froch was quoted correct in the later rounds talking about how much the body shots were killing him then Bute would have a field day and probably stop Froch.

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The fight shouldnt of gone ahead, froch was unwell before and shouldnt of been allowed to fight. But being the brave warrior that he is he carried on and won a unanimous decision

fair play to him

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Froch is a brave fighter yes however he's done nothing but whinge and make excuses since Saturday so you can also class him as a poor loser.

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He claimed he wasnt well before the fight - No he wasnt, frochs team and everyone within the camp will tell you carl was suffering from a stomach bug and unable to shake it even feeling the effects of it at the weigh in.

He claimed he got screwed over by a hometown decision - yes he most certainly did. Froch won the fight, when you throw the more punches and land the harder shots you expect to get the decision. Froch got shunted worse than robin reid did when he fought sven ottke. Froch won the fight, i know that, you know that, kessler knows that

I think that Bute is the best SMW and the other's are starting to decline. Not so much Dirrell and Ward but Kessler and Froch. Abraham showed he can be outboxed which I think Bute would do all night long. Green is not all that good he has good power and decent boxing ability, but I think he will just fall short. Ward is still a question mark in my mind in this tournament I would like to see him with a good pressure fighter like Froch.

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I know I'm a lone voice on here now pretty much but Bute is getting sparked the first time he faces a legit challenge.

Froch, Ward, Abraham and Dirrell all beat him, maybe Kessler too.

Just wait and see...

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Froch is too sloppy and would get knocked out. Abraham is not active enough to win and with his earmuff always so high, he would live the same fate as Andrade with a knock to the liver. If ever Bute fights any of these two, I'll gladly take a bet with you Mr Hobbit. The only one who would worry me about Bute at the moment is Dirrell because he's fast, moves well and seems to be on a mission. I would have worried about Kessler as well but since his lost to Calzaghe he seems to be another man, his punches aren't as crisp and his jab not as regular and not without the same pop, now I would cage him with Bute anytime of the day.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I know I'm a lone voice on here now pretty much but Bute is getting sparked the first time he faces a legit challenge.

Froch, Ward, Abraham and Dirrell all beat him, maybe Kessler too.

Just wait and see...

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We will remember this post when the fights are made after the S6 and I call you out on a 2year sig bet that states "I wish Bute would love me"

Yes?

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The fight shouldnt of gone ahead, froch was unwell before and shouldnt of been allowed to fight. But being the brave warrior that he is he carried on and won a unanimous decision

fair play to him

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Froch is a brave fighter yes however he's done nothing but whinge and make excuses since Saturday so you can also class him as a poor loser.

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He claimed he wasnt well before the fight - No he wasnt, frochs team and everyone within the camp will tell you carl was suffering from a stomach bug and unable to shake it even feeling the effects of it at the weigh in.

He claimed he got screwed over by a hometown decision - yes he most certainly did. Froch won the fight, when you throw the more punches and land the harder shots you expect to get the decision. Froch got shunted worse than robin reid did when he fought sven ottke. Froch won the fight, i know that, you know that, kessler knows that

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:rolleyes: The people in Frochs camp will claim he had bore a child and named it Bilbo so he would forever have someone to believe he can beat Lucian bute...

Everyone in his camp knows he was sick :vd:

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Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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what he said. I do think he'd be competitive against the lot, but would have couple l's on his record if he were in this tourney having to travel.

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I'm pretty sure no fighter would remain unbeaten if they had to fight A-class opposition every fight. Doesn't matter how good you are, eventually the fights will catch-up with you.

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:appl:...Well said as the tournament has already backed up your statement...4 fighters came in with 0's...3 have lost them thus far.....

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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Until the S6 what SMW was "The fighting champion?"...

IMO Froch may have had the toughest run of them all

Kessler prior 2 were Perdomo and Haussler

AA- Oral and Simon

Taylor- Froch and Lacey

Dirrell- Findley and Oganov

Ward- Miranda and Pudwill

Froch- Taylor and Pascal

Bute- Andrade and Miranda

Now outside of Froch who had won the title from a guy who is now a LHW champion and fought a former undisputed champion...Are we really going to pretend any of the others prior 2 were better then Butes?...At least Miranda is dangerous with 1 shot at anytime and he has only lost to Pavlik, AA and Ward...

Librado has only lost to a prime Kessler a version that most thought would beat Calzaghe....I can pull up the threads to prove even here 80% picked Kessler...Librado has KO wins over former world champions and a cuirrent one so he cant be that bad can he?......Who has Pudwill beat? Simon?...

C'mon lets be honest here the paper doesn't lie...

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Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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Until the S6 what SMW was "The fighting champion?"...

IMO Froch may have had the toughest run of them all

Kessler prior 2 were Perdomo and Haussler

AA- Oral and Simon

Taylor- Froch and Lacey

Dirrell- Findley and Oganov

Ward- Miranda and Pudwill

Froch- Taylor and Pascal

Bute- Andrade and Miranda

Now outside of Froch who had won the title from a guy who is now a LHW champion and fought a former undisputed champion...Are we really going to pretend any of the others prior 2 were better then Butes?...At least Miranda is dangerous with 1 shot at anytime and he has only lost to Pavlik, AA and Ward...

Librado has only lost to a prime Kessler a version that most thought would beat Calzaghe....I can pull up the threads to prove even here 80% picked Kessler...Librado has KO wins over former world champions and a cuirrent one so he cant be that bad can he?......Who has Pudwill beat? Simon?...

C'mon lets be honest here the paper doesn't lie...

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You can't just ignore the Super Six form.

Ward and Dirrell were totally unexposed before the tournament. They could have flopped but proved to be world-class fighters. Andrade is a good fighter. But he'd been slaughtered by a guy that has lost in the Super Six. Which is clearly a knock on the Bute win.

Bute may very well be the best supermiddle. But until he gets in the mix with those guys (the six other best fighters in the world) he shouldn't be regarded the best because quite simply he is not fighting the best ;)

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Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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Until the S6 what SMW was "The fighting champion?"...

IMO Froch may have had the toughest run of them all

Kessler prior 2 were Perdomo and Haussler

AA- Oral and Simon

Taylor- Froch and Lacey

Dirrell- Findley and Oganov

Ward- Miranda and Pudwill

Froch- Taylor and Pascal

Bute- Andrade and Miranda

Now outside of Froch who had won the title from a guy who is now a LHW champion and fought a former undisputed champion...Are we really going to pretend any of the others prior 2 were better then Butes?...At least Miranda is dangerous with 1 shot at anytime and he has only lost to Pavlik, AA and Ward...

Librado has only lost to a prime Kessler a version that most thought would beat Calzaghe....I can pull up the threads to prove even here 80% picked Kessler...Librado has KO wins over former world champions and a cuirrent one so he cant be that bad can he?......Who has Pudwill beat? Simon?...

C'mon lets be honest here the paper doesn't lie...

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You can't just ignore the Super Six form.

Ward and Dirrell were totally unexposed before the tournament. They could have flopped but proved to be world-class fighters. Andrade is a good fighter. But he'd been slaughtered by a guy that has lost in the Super Six. Which is clearly a knock on the Bute win.

Bute may very well be the best supermiddle. But until he gets in the mix with those guys (the six other best fighters in the world) he shouldn't be regarded the best because quite simply he is not fighting the best ;)

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Yup, and was slaughtered by Bute as well... for 15.97 rounds(baring 15 seconds of the first fight which by IBF rules he won regardless of the ref's slow count.). You could then make an argument about Bute beating Andrade in his second fight inside 4 rounds when Kessler, Like Bute, took him the distance the first time...But yes, until he gets in the mix it's tough to make a case for him being the best.

how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

FACT

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Bute is being overrated here.

Lets get things in perspective.. In the last two years he's beaten Andrade and Miranda.

Half the Super Six field have already beaten these two with pure ease. Kessler totally schooled Andrade without breaking sweat. Abraham blasted Miranda into next week and Ward wiped the floor with him.

Andrade virtually knocked Bute out. You can't get away from that. He may have won the rematch impressively but he scraped through first time by the skin of his teeth.

Another strong factor is, Bute has the benefit of home advantage in every fight. The Super Six has really highlighted just how hard it is away from home. How would he handle an Arthur Abraham onslaught in Germany? Dirrell's family spitting venom at him in Detroit? 5000 Nottingham hooligans booing him?

Bute is having an easy ride compared to the other top supermiddles. Lets judge him when he steps up to top class ;)

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You know, you've given me something to chew on. I think Bute is the truth, but he was knocked out on his feet against Andrade. And every fight I've seen has been on his home court. I still think he's a force, but I will wait to make that pronouncement until after he's fought in someone else's back yard.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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No... No he didn't knock Bute the fuck out. In fact by IBF rules once his glove came off the canvas he had won the fight regardless of the refs slow count. Did Kessler KO Andrade in 4 rounds? No. Bute has fought the same level of opposition barring Calzaghe, as Kessler... Which Kessler lost. I agree that we'll find out for real once the Super Six ends but the satatement of him being knocked out of the top 8 SMWs in the world once it ends is fucking retarded.

HTHomo,how is Kessler 1 of the 2 best SMWs in the world when he lost every second of his fight to Ward?

I just don't go with the obvious in this argument. You are asking if the two guys who don't have a loss are the best SMWs. I hope everyone has some say in what makes a fighter the best, what makes him undefeated, and what makes a champ (not a paper champ). Big difference between all of those.

The simple answer is NO. Even after this weekend's madness it's not widely apparent they are the best. Especially not Bute, if I am looking at his demolition of Miranda. That win says almost nothing to me. Miranda was probably a 15:1 dog.

You know what would make this tournament really really interesting??? Watching Green mop the floor with Ward. If you only waited until after the Green-Ward fight, then you could probably make a better case for Bute, but right now, not for both..

Right now, I'm just happy all these guys are swimming in the same pool, going to new territories, and digging deeper than they ever had to. All of these guys are great fighters. I knew leaving Bute out would just make people for want of a fight that can't happen. But, look on the bright side.. All these guys would have been filling their resumees with guys like Bute has.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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No... No he didn't knock Bute the fuck out. In fact by IBF rules once his glove came off the canvas he had won the fight regardless of the refs slow count. Did Kessler KO Andrade in 4 rounds? No. Bute has fought the same level of opposition barring Calzaghe... Which Kessler lost. I agree that we'll find out for real once the Super Six ends but the satatement of him being knocked out of the top 8 SMWs in the world once it ends is fucking retarded.

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Bute has never faced anyone as highly ranked or regarded as Froch or Ward so no chance does he have as good of competition as Kessler. No chance. I do think he is the 2nd best SMW in the world but Fenster is right in saying that he will not have a chance to prove it until at least after the first round.

Also people judge to much on a fighter's last performance, I would never count AA out here.

Do people really think Green will mop the floor with Ward? The guy who lost to Miranda, the guy who means nothing in the division?

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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No... No he didn't knock Bute the fuck out. In fact by IBF rules once his glove came off the canvas he had won the fight regardless of the refs slow count. Did Kessler KO Andrade in 4 rounds? No. Bute has fought the same level of opposition barring Calzaghe... Which Kessler lost. I agree that we'll find out for real once the Super Six ends but the satatement of him being knocked out of the top 8 SMWs in the world once it ends is fucking retarded.

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Bute has never faced anyone as highly ranked or regarded as Froch or Ward so no chance does he have as good of competition as Kessler. No chance. I do think he is the 2nd best SMW in the world but Fenster is right in saying that he will not have a chance to prove it until at least after the first round.

Also people judge to much on a fighter's last performance, I would never count AA out here.

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I 'm talking about Kesslers level of Op prior to the Super 6 being as good as Bute's up to now.

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Do people really think Green will mop the floor with Ward? The guy who lost to Miranda, the guy who means nothing in the division?

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We called it bro right from the beginning, Ward is winning the whole thing.

He will have NO trouble with Alan Green whatseover. Green looked great in one fight, against Jaidon Codrington, every step up fight since then has been disappointing.

Against Miranda he was crap, against Tarvis Simms he was crap, against Rubin Williams he was crap.

He looks great when blowing away overmatched opponents, put anyone half decent in there with him and he's mediocre.

Ward will box rings around him and win by at least 5 rounds.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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Uhh no he didn't Knock him the fuck out, otherwise he would of had the W next to his name.

The only round he was ever in the fight was the 12th round, where Lucian Bute made a mistake by trading. But he got up and won get over it, there was no long count thats a myth. Lucian Bute got up in 8 seconds, the ref telling Librado Andrade off, has fuck all to do with Lucian Bute winning.

Because the time in the round was already over, how many fucking times do i have to keep telling you this ? im sick of you spouting off so called facts when your talking out your ass.

And he crushed Librado Andrade in the rematch, in 4 rounds a fighter who at that time was considered to have one of the best chins in boxing today.

But why am i telling you this anyway ? its not like you've seen the fight anyway or have any clue about Lucian Bute. You've got your nose so far up Carl Froch's ass. You haven't got time to learn about the sport, or actually watch fights and base your own opinion.

And do you want to get humilated again ? with a bet regarding Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute ?

All Carl Froch has is toughness and good power thats it, his defense is shit. His footwork is poor, and his punch technique has a lot to be desired.

Yet you had the cheek to tell us he's the best Super Middleweight of this generation ? get the fuck outta here.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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Uhh no he didn't Knock him the fuck out, otherwise he would of had the W next to his name.

The only round he was ever in the fight was the 12th round, where Lucian Bute made a mistake by trading. But he got up and won get over it, there was no long count thats a myth. Lucian Bute got up in 8 seconds, the ref telling Librado Andrade off, has fuck all to do with Lucian Bute winning.

Because the time in the round was already over, how many fucking times do i have to keep telling you this ? im sick of you spouting off so called facts when your talking out your ass.

And he crushed Librado Andrade in the rematch, in 4 rounds a fighter who at that time was considered to have one of the best chins in boxing today.

But why am i telling you this anyway ? its not like you've seen the fight anyway or have any clue about Lucian Bute. You've got your nose so far up Carl Froch's ass. You haven't got time to learn about the sport, or actually watch fights and base your own opinion.

And do you want to get humilated again ? with a bet regarding Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute ?

All Carl Froch has is toughness and good power thats it, his defense is shit. His footwork is poor, and his punch technique has a lot to be desired.

Yet you had the cheek to tell us he's the best Super Middleweight of this generation ? get the fuck outta here.


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I fixed your post.

Well said and I completely agree.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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Uhh no he didn't Knock him the fuck out, otherwise he would of had the W next to his name.

The only round he was ever in the fight was the 12th round, where Lucian Bute made a mistake by trading. But he got up and won get over it, there was no long count thats a myth. Lucian Bute got up in 8 seconds, the ref telling Librado Andrade off, has fuck all to do with Lucian Bute winning.

Because the time in the round was already over, how many fucking times do i have to keep telling you this ? im sick of you spouting off so called facts when your talking out your ass.

And he crushed Librado Andrade in the rematch, in 4 rounds a fighter who at that time was considered to have one of the best chins in boxing today.

But why am i telling you this anyway ? its not like you've seen the fight anyway or have any clue about Lucian Bute. You've got your nose so far up Carl Froch's ass. You haven't got time to learn about the sport, or actually watch fights and base your own opinion.

And do you want to get humilated again ? with a bet regarding Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute ?

All Carl Froch has is toughness and good power thats it, his defense is shit. His footwork is poor, and his punch technique has a lot to be desired.

Yet you had the cheek to tell us he's the best Super Middleweight of this generation ? get the fuck outta here.

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Ok Ice, say we agree with you that technically he got up and was saved by the bell do you think however he was in a fit state to continue had the fight gone on?

How far away from defeat was he? 30 seconds, 20, 10, maybe 3?

If there was ANY time in that round left Bute would have stopped, so ok he was saved by the bell but he was completely out on his feet and could not have stood against Andrade for a moment longer.

Hardly a glorious victory.

Yup Ward is the star here the most intriguing fight of the tourney will be him and Dirrell imo and I'm sure plenty will be picking Dirrell. They will be wrong.

Green has a good right hand, but Ward is a complete fighter and if Green can't look impressive against Donnie McCrary, Emmit Linton, Edison Miranda, Rubin Williams or Tarvis Sims then I don't see why anyone would think he mops the floor with Ward. Watch any of those fights and you'll struggle to believe that guy is a top 10 fighter. He is so inconsistent that even if he did win this tournament format would be hell for him. He would lose his next fight in the most boring contest of the whole thing. Anyone picking Green should know more about him, this guy was talked up forever by Greg Leon and as Leon's voice got louder Green's performances got worse. The thing about the colon is so overblown anyways. He had enough of his colon to make the weight, he was in the gym for weeks prior, he obviously didn't think it would take to much out of him before the fight. It's one of those things where Green actually seems to get more credit for the loss and Miranda gets none for the win. Kind of crazy but this guy's best wins are over Jaidon Codrington (that must have been 4 or 5 years ago???), Anthony Bonsante, Jerson Ravelo and Carlos De Leon Jr. Good luck with that guy mopping the floor with ANYONE in this tournament.

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how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

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Uhh no he didn't Knock him the fuck out, otherwise he would of had the W next to his name.

The only round he was ever in the fight was the 12th round, where Lucian Bute made a mistake by trading. But he got up and won get over it, there was no long count thats a myth. Lucian Bute got up in 8 seconds, the ref telling Librado Andrade off, has fuck all to do with Lucian Bute winning.

Because the time in the round was already over, how many fucking times do i have to keep telling you this ? im sick of you spouting off so called facts when your talking out your ass.

And he crushed Librado Andrade in the rematch, in 4 rounds a fighter who at that time was considered to have one of the best chins in boxing today.

But why am i telling you this anyway ? its not like you've seen the fight anyway or have any clue about Lucian Bute. You've got your nose so far up Carl Froch's ass. You haven't got time to learn about the sport, or actually watch fights and base your own opinion.

And do you want to get humilated again ? with a bet regarding Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute ?

All Carl Froch has is toughness and good power thats it, his defense is shit. His footwork is poor, and his punch technique has a lot to be desired.

Yet you had the cheek to tell us he's the best Super Middleweight of this generation ? get the fuck outta here.

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Ok Ice, say we agree with you that technically he got up and was saved by the bell do you think however he was in a fit state to continue had the fight gone on?

How far away from defeat was he? 30 seconds, 20, 10, maybe 3?

If there was ANY time in that round left Bute would have stopped, so ok he was saved by the bell but he was completely out on his feet and could not have stood against Andrade for a moment longer.

Hardly a glorious victory.

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So what ? how many times has a fighter been totally gone in the last round ?

How much longer could SRL have lasted vs Marvin Hagler ? how much longer could Larry Holmes have lasted vs Ken Norton ? how much longer could Thomas Hearns have lasted vs SRL in there 2nd fight ?

Your talking hypothetically and it means nothing in the end, because Lucian Bute showed great heart in getting up and surviving. And going by the IBF rules no rules were broken and he won legitmately.

You could also say Carl Froch was lucky to stop Jermain Taylor, after getting dominated for most of the fight, with only seconds left. But he won in the end so what does it matter ?

And Lucian Bute erased in doubt in a rematch, by sitting down on his punches more. And he destroyed Librado Andrade so IMO its over and done with.

You seem to hate Lucian Bute for some reason, which is fair enough and thats your choice. But he has beaten some solid tough opponents, not the best but there solid fighters, and he has a solid resume at the moment. While also being a world champion since 2007.

And it can only get better, atleast Lucian Bute hasn't been beaten handily in his last two fights.

Infact Carl Froch has lost atleast 28 rounds, in his last 4 bouts. Where as Lucian Bute has been destroying his opposition, Carl Froch is an overachiever. And Lucian Bute will prove you wrong and anyother doubters.

And by the way you agreed before about Lucian Bute winning legitmately. Yet now you constantly bring it up to discredit Lucian Bute, i don't get that at all.

If you don't like him thats fair enough, but don't change your mind on something. Just because you dislike Lucian Bute.