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Telling you now Higgins v Davis was bent not in a million years does Higgins get beat by 52 year old Davis the first to 13. Check this out in the NOTW
How world snooker champion John Higgins plots to betray his fans for cash | News Of The World
They are all at it greedy fuckers!!!
That Maguire is the worst for it, he has thrown so many matches it is unreal.
Well they caught him hook line and sinker but I hate the newspapers more than I hate sporting cheats so I hope he manages to get away with it.
Personally though, although it is clearly wrong I don't think it's that big a deal. I mean he's proposing to drop a few frames to allow people to rig the betting, and gambling is hardly an honourable pursuit.
He doesn't need the money clearly, so I imagine maybe it's an adreneline thing, the kind of reason why people gamble in the first place. He takes a huge risk in return for the potential of massive reward, isn't that the essence of what gambling is all about?
All of the 'good honest punters' who need to be protected from his cheating would do exactly the same thing in his shoes and that's the great irony for me.
Higgins was a mug though, he should have known not to trust a man with a voice like Jig Saw. That was always going to end badly.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Makes my blood boil mate, this is just the tip of the Iceberg, he is bent as fuck he threw the game in the world champs against Steve Davis as well without a shadow of a doubt, his manager who is also a member of the board of the outfit that runs world snooker arranged this!!!!!
He will get a 6 year ban for this and his career will be over which it should be the greedy cunt.
Corruption is ALWAYS a bad thing for everybody, fans, the whole game. HE doesn't need money? You're seriously underestimating the human greed dear Hobbit, probably that it's due to your naive and kind nature (like any hobbits) but even a man with a lot of money is often willing to do the shittiest of things in order to get a bit more. This guy deserves a terrible ban and an accusation for corruption, I am not a fan of Pool/Snooker at all but it doesn't change the gravity of what has just been done.
Yeah I expect his career will indeed probably be over. I just think it's probably not as cut and ry as it seems though. What I mean is a lot of snooker guys seem to be doing this and just to label them all as bent and crooked as if it's individuals with no morals is probably not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Nothing wrong with it you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Makes my blood boil mate, this is just the tip of the Iceberg, he is bent as fuck he threw the game in the world champs against Steve Davis as well without a shadow of a doubt, his manager who is also a member of the board of the outfit that runs world snooker arranged this!!!!!
He will get a 6 year ban for this and his career will be over which it should be the greedy cunt.
I expect he had reasons beyond just wanting the money.
Just off the top of my head I'm guessing that the kind of people who can pay 300,000 Euro's to fix a few frames of snooker must be pretty powerful and influential men. They obviously have a lot of clout and influence behind them and getting in with them probably benefits Higgins and the like a lot more than just this money.
I guess these are the type of groups that can set up events, put sponsership into the game, build it overseas etc, generally the people you want in with if you want to play a significant role in the development of the sport which is also your livlihood. That would also explain why that snooker official guy is involved as well.
The thing is EVERY sport, EVERY institution, EVERY small workplace is corrupt to some degree. People conspire together ways to make the system benefit them, we all do it, even those of us at the bottom, with the exception of Missy and Miles of course.
What I'm saying is that as much as we disapprove, probably many of us would end up doing the same thing under the same situation.
Snooker is a funny sport. I know Barry Hearn is trying to regenerate it but it's being dying for years. Apart from the annual World Championships people don't care about it and I doubt there is much money for the rest of the season, certainly not the kind that Higgins, McGuire, Lee et al can make through getting in these syndicate crowds.
He'll pay for it I'm sure, and no doubt he's let himself and his family down, but ultimately he's just taking a risk to secure himself and his family financially.
Right now the spotlight is on snooker because of the championships, for the other 11 months of the year the world at large doesn't care, and I imagine it's pretty easy to justify in your head how throwing a frame here and there in a few less important tournaments in exchange for getting enough money to secure yourself is not going to harm anybody.
Like I say, Missy and Miles will say it's because I have the morals of Dorian Gray, but the reality is that things are always shades of grey ;)
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I'm far from naive, I actually thing Paul said it right when he wrote to the Romans, 'There is none that do good, no not one' and in Genesis '...the thoughts of mens hearts was only evil continually...'.
I'm just not suprised at all. For us it may be a great sport and an institution, but work within it year in and year out and you'll just see it as a business or workplace like any other.
And like in any business, people find ways to skim a bit extra off the top. I'm not justifying it, not al at all, I'm just saying an awful lot of people do it.
He obviously had his reasons, and weighed up the risks, and it backfired on him.
I expect he will lose his MBE/OBE thingy as well.
It's a shame really when no actual harm was done, only in the minds of those who seek to keep the purity of sport untainted.
If he hadn't been exposed nobody would ever have known or cared.
He is using the old "i was afraid for my life so just went along with it" excuse
Fair play to the lad i'd use that one too.
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Originally Posted by Munkymagic
Did you hear the voice of the guy who was negotiating the deal? That was Jigsaw from Saw, I'd be scared too.
He just played along to avoid ending up in a Hostel style torture situation in an Eastern European warehouse.
He's legit, I believe him.
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Did you hear the voice of the guy who was negotiating the deal? That was Jigsaw from Saw, I'd be scared too.
He just played along to avoid ending up in a Hostel style torture situation in an Eastern European warehouse.
He's legit, I believe him.
Worst excuse ever the Russian Mafia haha, daft cunt, so why were you there in the first place and how come your bent manager had three of four meetings with these people in Scotland regarding throwing frames prior to travelling to Ukraine? Am sooory if he was so scared fair enough agree to it and that be it but the way he was suggesting ways to launder the money is a fucking joke yes John looked like he wanted to be out of there asap..
I agree that video could easily be edited, but his manager is bent as they come he has all the Scottish players under his wing and the worst one was Maguire and Burnett about 18 months ago who happen to be best mates and practise partners when there was lots of money for 9-3 to Maguire and the Bookmakers contacted the Snooker Authorites about this all bets for the match were suspended, and there is an ongoing enquiry regarding this, the funny thing was Burnett has the easiest black to make it 8-4 but the fact that he over missed it by so much made even more blatant it was fixed!!! Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv_W0OziQa8
Love Maguires face he has just won the match but it looks like he has just found out his wife has died or something similar lol I think he is thinking what a tosser why the fuck did he miss that by so much!
Al so News of the world are saying they are revealing more next week with the Higgins affair.
The thing is there is a big difference between losing a frame in a match and throwing a match, especially in this tournament. They would have to pay Higgins over £1m to throw that game, because he is the best player in the world on his day and could've won the tournament and afortune in prize money and other benefits. I also do believe that Higgins is desperate to win. He may throw a frame, but I can't believe he would throw a match in the world championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Mate Davis was 18/1 to win that match £1 million quid is small compared what these people can make at them prices, I am not saying 100% he threw it, but the shots he was missing were very fishy add to that Davis hasn't really beat anyone of singnificance in the last 9 years he has made 3 century breaks in 4 years, looks dodgy to me especially first to 13, Davis was amazing in the first session after that he was shocking and an out of sorts Robertson raped him in the next round pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HThe thing is there is a big difference between losing a frame in a match and throwing a match, especially in this tournament. They would have to pay Higgins over £1m to throw that game, because he is the best player in the world on his day and could've won the tournament and afortune in prize money and other benefits. I also do believe that Higgins is desperate to win. He may throw a frame, but I can't believe he would throw a match in the world championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Hard to say really but Higgins is what 35 years old? He is not got many years left as a top player earning decent money, maybe he was seeing this as a little retirement thing, no doubt he has been getting encouraged by that cunt of a manager who is bent as they come.. Who knows though in reality.
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Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
Did you hear the voice of the guy who was negotiating the deal? That was Jigsaw from Saw, I'd be scared too.
He just played along to avoid ending up in a Hostel style torture situation in an Eastern European warehouse.
He's legit, I believe him.
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I think they audioed the voice mate but if they didnt i also would give higgins a friggin medal for not shitting my pants the moment he started talking
What annoys me about this is, is that john higgins didnt do this to cheat the sport and mug the fans off. He did it for his familys well being and it should be the muppets with no lives that set him up that face the ultimate penalty
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Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
Did you hear the voice of the guy who was negotiating the deal? That was Jigsaw from Saw, I'd be scared too.
He just played along to avoid ending up in a Hostel style torture situation in an Eastern European warehouse.
He's legit, I believe him.
lol
I think they audioed the voice mate but if they didnt i also would give higgins a friggin medal for not shitting my pants the moment he started talking
What annoys me about this is, is that john higgins didnt do this to cheat the sport and mug the fans off. He did it for his familys well being and it should be the muppets with no lives that set him up that face the ultimate penalty
wtf? 5 million he made already not good enough? Jesus christ you for real? He did it in pure greed the fat cunt, do you realise the knock on effect this will have on the sport sponsorship will be pulled tv deals gone, players lives ruined and careers possibly down the swanny, not saying this will happen but Snooker is already on the way out this could put a nail in the coffin.
You say he was looking out for his family? They guy is world number one and worth 5 million quid he is a fat greedy cunt who has fucked the sport over royally. This is one instance that was caught on camera how many other matches or frames has he thrown? He should be banned for life imo
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I think they audioed the voice mate but if they didnt i also would give higgins a friggin medal for not shitting my pants the moment he started talking
What annoys me about this is, is that john higgins didnt do this to cheat the sport and mug the fans off. He did it for his familys well being and it should be the muppets with no lives that set him up that face the ultimate penalty
wtf? 5 million he made already not good enough? Jesus christ you for real? He did it in pure greed the fat cunt, do you realise the knock on effect this will have on the sport sponsorship will be pulled tv deals gone, players lives ruined and careers possibly down the swanny, not saying this will happen but Snooker is already on the way out this could put a nail in the coffin.
You say he was looking out for his family? They guy is world number one and worth 5 million quid he is a fat greedy cunt who has fucked the sport over royally. This is one instance that was caught on camera how many other matches or frames has he thrown? He should be banned for life imo
Higgins is hardly a character that the sport has to mantain. If this was o`sullivan id probably be in agreement.......but higgins??
no chance
Higgins aint a character, hahahaha he is the World Number 1 hahahaha 3 time world champ, it was front news of the national paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerIt really wont mateQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
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wtf? 5 million he made already not good enough? Jesus christ you for real? He did it in pure greed the fat cunt, do you realise the knock on effect this will have on the sport sponsorship will be pulled tv deals gone, players lives ruined and careers possibly down the swanny, not saying this will happen but Snooker is already on the way out this could put a nail in the coffin.
You say he was looking out for his family? They guy is world number one and worth 5 million quid he is a fat greedy cunt who has fucked the sport over royally. This is one instance that was caught on camera how many other matches or frames has he thrown? He should be banned for life imo
Higgins is hardly a character that the sport has to mantain. If this was o`sullivan id probably be in agreement.......but higgins??
no chance
This is very very serious snooker is on it's arse as it is thats why Barry hearn was brought in, Snooker could be finished if BBC pulled the plug it's gave over.
If BBC did pull the plug it would naturally go over to sky where it would be given the kind of radical makeover that darts has benefited fromQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Higgins aint a character, hahahaha he is the World Number 1 hahahaha 3 time world champ, it was front news of the national paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerIt really wont mateQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Higgins is hardly a character that the sport has to mantain. If this was o`sullivan id probably be in agreement.......but higgins??
no chance
This is very very serious snooker is on it's arse as it is thats why Barry hearn was brought in, Snooker could be finished if BBC pulled the plug it's gave over.
There are plenty of ways to get snooker back to the masses and one start would be to introduce a 5red tournament ala:20twenty cricket
There's a big difference between Higgins saying he can throw a frame in some independent pisspot invitational tournament in Russia and throwing a game at the world championships.
Is he wrong? Yes. Has been caught out? Yes. Does he need to be punished? Yes. But there's no proof he's ever actually thrown a game.
The bookmakers are absolutely shithot on irregular betting patterns. That's the reason Burnett fucked himself missing sitters against Maguire. The bookies were already on his case before it started. They must have cleaned up with Davis beating Higgins, there were no mentions of huge losses.
I'm with Hammer I don't really see the big deal to be honest.
The general public only cares about snooker for one month a year, but for players it's their livelihoods all year around.
Take that guy who agreed to lose to Stephen McGuire 8-3. I doubt he makes fuck all from playing snooker, and to him it's a welcome wage top up.
I expect loads of players are doing it, far from damaging the sport it's probably how the business model works, betting syndicates investing in the players and sport in order to profit from betting, it's win win.
Apart from outrage at how this has tarnished the sport, if nobody knew what exactly is the harm? Think about it before telling me I'm nuts, I mean really who has been hurt.
It's an offence but against who? The bookies? Fuck who cares about them, they make their money fleecing people.
All of the sports like snooker, darts, greyhounds, horse racing etc are sports just synonymous with betting and that lifestyle.
There is nothing sacrosanct or virtuous about puttings balls in holes on a beize table it's just a pointless activity really and these guys are just trying to make a bit of extra money on the side. After all having to win your wage is hardly a secure career model.
John Higgins has obviously dug a hole for himself but I hope he gets away with it.
When Bruce Grobbelar and John Fashanu were exposed for corruption nobody made ridiculous pronouncements that it would kill the sport of football, of course it wouldn't.
All this has done is get more people talking about snooker, all publicity is good publicity as they say.
For me the real immorality is on the part of the News of the World who once again sets somebody up so they can profit financially from the resulting fall out.
Bilbo that post is pathetic.
It's OK for punters to be conned?
Mate isn't gambling in itself immoral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
All I'm saying is worse things happen and I expect there are a lot of snooker players below the elite level who are involved in the odd betting fix in order to finance their sporting career.
It might be wrong, but I don't really see the harm, and I certainly don't feel sorry for bookies or punters, as they say gambling is a mugs game.
When I see how much my nan wastes on the lottery each week I think the government is more corrupt.
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care to point out what part of that post is "pathetic"??
that big B to the top left when your writing a post is there for a reason
People are outraged but the reality is that it's a victimless crime. It's probably good for the sport in all actuality, a lot of players able to play the game they love who otherwise would have to get a regular job and increased sponsorship and stuff coming into the game.Quote:
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care to point out what part of that post is "pathetic"??
that big B to the top left when your writing a post is there for a reason
It reminds me of the fucking animal do gooders who break into laboratories and zoos and free the animals, only for them all to either die because they don't know how to look after themselves or else fuck up the local eco stystem by eating the wildlife.
To go back to my old sociology study days, the snooker fixing like prostitution and other dubious kinds of arrangements exist because they are functionally necessary.
To interfere with it just fucks up the system, and will force a lot of low earning players to quit and the game to go into a decline.
Ironically it wouldn't be the cheating players who are causing the death of the game but the actual fucking moral brigade bent on reforming it.
Immoral? ;D If you're a bible basher I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate isn't gambling in itself immoral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
All I'm saying is worse things happen and I expect there are a lot of snooker players below the elite level who are involved in the odd betting fix in order to finance their sporting career.
It might be wrong, but I don't really see the harm, and I certainly don't feel sorry for bookies or punters, as they say gambling is a mugs game.
When I see how much my nan wastes on the lottery each week I think the government is more corrupt.
So you would be fine with fixed sports matches happening as long as you didn't know?
Victimless crime if you don't give a shit about the millions of fans and punters :beat:
It's not major sporting matches being fixed though, it's just minor events during the non championship season that nobody cares about.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterImmoral? ;D If you're a bible basher I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate isn't gambling in itself immoral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
All I'm saying is worse things happen and I expect there are a lot of snooker players below the elite level who are involved in the odd betting fix in order to finance their sporting career.
It might be wrong, but I don't really see the harm, and I certainly don't feel sorry for bookies or punters, as they say gambling is a mugs game.
When I see how much my nan wastes on the lottery each week I think the government is more corrupt.
So you would be fine with fixed sports matches happening as long as you didn't know?
There is corruption in every sport, in every business, in every institution. Often as I said in my last post, it's functionally necessary.
Functionalism is the dominant socioloigical macro model of viewing society and argues that everything that exists, even crime is good for society and exists because it serves a basic need.
It's just part of the business model associated with the sport.
It's not really good, bad, evil or righteous, it just is. It exists because it needs to.
But of course the ignorant moral brigade will run with it and have a field day.
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Who were the millions of fans who lost out by that Stephen McGuire game where won 8-3?
Apart from the world championships hardly anybody watches snooker. But these guys want to earn a living all year around.
Punters should know that betting is rigged, it's a mugs game and always has been.
Not one single snooker fan will ever lose sleep over john higgins taking the odd bribe to fix ONE FRAME A MATCH, he`ll still win the contest outright anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If i found out robert green had allowed 20 or so goals to go past him because of a bung id be livid, but if i found out he gave a corner away in the 74th minute while we were 3-0 up i really couldnt give a shit and wish him luck for it!!
Yeah that is a good analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerNot one single snooker fan will ever lose sleep over john higgins taking the odd bribe to fix ONE FRAME A MATCH, he`ll still win the contest outright anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If i found out robert green had allowed 20 or so goals to go past him because of a bung id be livid, but if i found out he gave a corner away in the 74th minute while we were 3-0 up i really couldnt give a shit and wish him luck for it!!
Obviously the big events don't get rigged, its far too high profile and risky. They just focus on the odd low key event or even just an odd frame within the match.
It really IS a victimless crime, and if people are stupid enough to bet their hard earned money on the fate of the roll of the balls then fuck them quite honestly.
It's only a mugs game if you don't understand it.
Major bookies don't even price up minor events let alone take huge liability bets on them. The Burnett-Maguire match was live on the BBC at the UK championships.
Millions of fans are not bothered by corruption in sport ;D
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Can't really respond to that one.
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As said fenst i totally agree punish the hell out of actual match fixers at major tournaments as it completely ruins the concept of a fair game
But 1 frame in a tournament nobodys even gonna know is on let alone put money on, the only losers i see coming out of this is the cash happy bookies
Mate if you think it only happens at the small non televised events, it is not the case the Burnett Maguire match was at The UK Champs the second biggest event on the snooker calander.Quote:
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As said fenst i totally agree punish the hell out of actual match fixers at major tournaments as it completely ruins the concept of a fair game
But 1 frame in a tournament nobodys even gonna know is on let alone put money on, the only losers i see coming out of this is the cash happy bookies
How are the bookies gonna take any money on it if no one knows it's on? What about the exchange players? For conmen to pay hundreds of thousands you are talking about serious amounts of money wagered.
You can't just place any bet you like in a bookies. Large sums on small betting events are instantly detectable. Last year betting was suspened in a match between Ebdon and Wenbo because a few grand had been placed in seperate £100 and £200 bets on a 5-0 scoreline. Just a few grand.
At the end of the day - it doesn't matter what level you're at, any professional sportsman that throws a game/match should be banned.
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I like John Higgins though, seems a nice chap and for that reason I hope he gets away scott free.
His manager looks a bit smarmy though, bring the book down on him.
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I like John Higgins though, seems a nice chap and for that reason I hope he gets away scott free.
His manager looks a bit smarmy though, bring the book down on him.
His manager is one of those instantly hateable people
yep - he's screwed and it should be career over. I reckon it will be too
As said theres two questions he can't answer - i) why he was there and ii) why he didn't report it
so game over
Still think the tabloids get away with murder by setting individuals up - who they going to target next month ?
If there's some financially desperate sports star out there (and who's saying higgins wasn't) with gambling debts, drug debts etc... and the carrot gets dangled then to me the journalists are as much to blame.
fuckers
Yeah I agree 100%. I mean if it's a crime to accept bribes, then surely it's a crime to offer them?Quote:
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It's like setting up a child porn website in order to lure people into giving their credit card details.
I must admit I think the newspapers are the scum of the earth, and journalists are bottom feeders along with ped's, drug pushers and job dodgers like myself
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Originally Posted by BilboYeah I agree 100%. I mean if it's a crime to accept bribes, then surely it's a crime to offer them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It's like setting up a child porn website in order to lure people into giving their credit card details.
I must admit I think the newspapers are the scum of the earth, and journalists are bottom feeders along with ped's, drug pushers and job dodgers like myself
Annoys the hell out of me how the enticers get away with the stuff they do (which is clearly illegal) by using the argument that the person theyve set up has clearly done something which is worse.
Pretending to be someone in the hopes of a stitch up has gotta be borderline rapist material!!
I wish someone could set them up.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BilboYeah I agree 100%. I mean if it's a crime to accept bribes, then surely it's a crime to offer them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It's like setting up a child porn website in order to lure people into giving their credit card details.
I must admit I think the newspapers are the scum of the earth, and journalists are bottom feeders along with ped's, drug pushers and job dodgers like myself
Annoys the hell out of me how the enticers get away with the stuff they do (which is clearly illegal) by using the argument that the person theyve set up has clearly done something which is worse.
Pretending to be someone in the hopes of a stitch up has gotta be borderline rapist material!!
How great would it be if they offered some celebrity hundreds of thousands of pounds in bribes, and the celeb was secretly filming then, turned down all their demands and then went to the police and alleged that this reporter was committing fraud.
That's what SHOULD happen.
That's why I always want them to get off completely free. Entrapments by the newspapers (who are just civilians) shouldn't count in court or be legally admissable. In fact it should be a criminal offence to impersonate anyone else for the purpose of deceiving and manipulating other individuals unwittingly.
I think all newspapers should be outlawed and criminilised in all honesty. I fucking hate them with a passion.