I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance

I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

I disagree if Floyd is fighting guys who fight at his place he's pretty much unbeatable. Pacquiao is a whirlwind though, punches are coming from all angles. Lunging in and out in and out. Ever after Pacquiao Clottey I've thought Pacquiao would win a decision over Floyd.

You'd have to watch it in Slow Motion it'd be that fast a fight!

No way it's a boring fight NO WAY!!

They'd go at it like coked up Porn stars on Viagra ;D

Floyd knows he has to be the aggressor which is exactly what he did tonight and he looked utter quality in their!

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I disagree if Floyd is fighting guys who fight at his place he's pretty much unbeatable. Pacquiao is a whirlwind though, punches are coming from all angles. Lunging in and out in and out. Ever after Pacquiao Clottey I've thought Pacquiao would win a decision over Floyd.

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Floyd will counter Pac all night. It will be JMM vs Pac but 10x worse. Floyd might get knocked down early but, Floyd owns him

pac fights with more tenacity than shane, how many times did we saw shane just standing infront of pbf doing nothing?

pbf got rocked in the second cause shane pushed for it but fell short and wasnt able to finish.

pac will do the same but has the gas and firepower to do it the whole night.


the question here is can pbf handle pacs non stop workrate if he does then pac is toast!

pac em1 is a good example, pac knew he is being outboxed but he just stayed there and threw punches. thats the major difference with shane, after the 2nd round pbf put some distance between them then used his superior speed to out punch shane. shane stopped throwing punches cause he was getting countered, pac wont stop throwing punches.

Before Pacquiao fought Clottey (1st right hand dominant guy since Marquez). Since Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya were all left hand dominant I thought Mayweather could counter Pac and win. Pacquiao just throws so many punches. I mean he'll obviously be countered at times but even Cotto countered him and Manny just kept throwing.

Let's not forget no one likes to fight speedy southpaws

Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that. Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and ended his career in the 2nd.

Shane didn't throw because he was gassed. If Pacquiao had hurt Mayweather in the second he would've been all over him. Shane looked happy to be there at points in the fight.

Floyds timing would be way too much for pac and he WOULD DEFINITLEY KO PAC. Remember that I professed this everyone. And for all those who want to attack me for saying this be careful because I WILL remember lol

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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B.T.W. - Steward has dementia.

in the third round pbf put some distance and threw fast punches . shane shouldve done what he just did on the first two rounds.

but shane gassed out from round 2 and was recovering on the third. pbf and his corner where smart and attacked on the third.

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Floyds timing would be way too much for pac and he WOULD DEFINITLEY KO PAC. Remember that I professed this everyone. And for all those who want to attack me for saying this be careful because I WILL remember lol

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I agree with you...frankly i am surprised at all the hate Mayweather is receiving after a brilliant performance.

We can't compare a 38 year old guy with a 15 month layoff who can't get past a jab (Forrest, Wright, Cotto) who almost lost to Mayorga. I'm not saying this stuff after the fight I was adamant about how one sided it would be beforehand. Against a guy who's just obliterated world class opponents.

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Floyds timing would be way too much for pac and he WOULD DEFINITLEY KO PAC. Remember that I professed this everyone. And for all those who want to attack me for saying this be careful because I WILL remember lol

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pbf will hit pac all night long. but pac will hit back in return pac is not the type of guy who will back out when he gets hit.

pbf showed in the 2nd round that when he gets hit he covers up his face and is not on offensive mode.

pac will capitalize on that unlike shane who gassed out and wasnt able to finish.

now the slow mo guy said pbf punches where fast but in slow mo it wasnt really hitting the opponent. pac aint glassed chined

Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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The man is selling fights. People are trying to downplay his performance which was nothing short of amazing.

Hate his schtick, fine, but the man is brilliant in the ring.

It's impossible to tell what will happen until the two are in the ring together, that is what makes the fight so intriguing. Both have looked red hot lately, lets not take anything away from them. We can always slam their opponents in various ways, but the fact is they keep winning in dominating fashion, and that is all that can be asked of them.

In the case of Floyd's opponents, usually it goes like this -
De La Hoya stopped using his jab and was old, Ricky Hatton was never a welterweight and the referee screwed him, Marquez was blown up and useless and now Mosley was past it and gassed after the 2nd round effort.

In Manny's case, it goes like this -
De La Hoya was weight drained and old, Hatton had terrible preparation and wasn't himself, Cotto was not the same after Margarito and Clottey was too one dimensional to ever stand a chance.

Some might be true, some might not. Fact is, they are all world class regardless and some of the best on the planet at this time, so what is the deal?

Only way we can ever tell is when Floyd and Manny step into the ring together. What an event that would be... :cool:

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Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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yes that's right because Mayweather is gonna stand there and absorb punches all night right?

Just because Pacquiao throws 100 punches around against people who stand still doesn't mean it will happen with Mayweather.

Notice how low Margarito's workrate dropped when he fought someone that knew how to get out of the way consistantly ala Mosley? Same thing would happen to Pacquiao.

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and


ended his career in the 2nd.

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Now, Shane is 40; before the fight he was 38.

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and


ended his career in the 2nd.

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Now, Shane is 40; before the fight he was 38.

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Damn, he really did get older overnight! ;)

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Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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The man is selling fights. People are trying to downplay his performance which was nothing short of amazing.

Hate his schtick, fine, but the man is brilliant in the ring.

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Don't think it's a "schtick" at all. I think it's ingrained in his genetic make-up to be a scumbag. But I'm in full agreement: he's a complete wonder in the ring. Definitely an ATG.

I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.

I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.

so many opinions... so many biases...

surely there's one thing we can agree on.

since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.

agreed?;D

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and


ended his career in the 2nd.

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Now, Shane is 40; before the fight he was 38.

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Damn, he really did get older overnight! ;)

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Yes if Mosley is shot, it was Mayweather that pulled the trigger

I'm not so sure. If Manny fights Floyds fight like Mosley did today then he's in trouble. But I think Mosley did himself in with the 2nd round. He was fighting tense and gassed himself out. For large parts of the fight he wasn't doing anything. The jab was non-existant from the 2nd onwards. He looked like an old fighter.

Now Manny is not going to be fighting like that. He's quicker than Shane, will commit a lot more and will throw the punches in bunches, getting in and out with that great footwork. Floyd likes to be given time to breathe and pick his shots. I don't think Manny will allow him to do that.

I can see Manny outworking Floyd and maybe even stopping him, but if Manny gets too hesitant Floyd will be able to steal rounds with effective countering. Manny should just take the bloody test.

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Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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The man is selling fights. People are trying to downplay his performance which was nothing short of amazing.

Hate his schtick, fine, but the man is brilliant in the ring.

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Don't think it's a "schtick" at all. I think it's ingrained in his genetic make-up to be a scumbag. But I'm in full agreement: he's a complete wonder in the ring. Definitely an ATG.

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i have heard from numerous people that when meeting Floyd in the public he is nothing short of a gentleman. He takes time to sign autographs, take pictures, etc.

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so many opinions... so many biases...

surely there's one thing we can agree on.

since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.

agreed?;D

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except Floyd signed to fight Pac, Manny wouldnt sign cause of the blood tests. Glad you notice bias in here as well

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It's impossible to tell what will happen until the two are in the ring together, that is what makes the fight so intriguing. Both have looked red hot lately, lets not take anything away from them. We can always slam their opponents in various ways, but the fact is they keep winning in dominating fashion, and that is all that can be asked of them.

In the case of Floyd's opponents, usually it goes like this -
De La Hoya stopped using his jab and was old, Ricky Hatton was never a welterweight and the referee screwed him, Marquez was blown up and useless and now Mosley was past it and gassed after the 2nd round effort.

In Manny's case, it goes like this -
De La Hoya was weight drained and old, Hatton had terrible preparation and wasn't himself, Cotto was not the same after Margarito and Clottey was too one dimensional to ever stand a chance.

Some might be true, some might not. Fact is, they are all world class regardless and some of the best on the planet at this time, so what is the deal?

Only way we can ever tell is when Floyd and Manny step into the ring together. What an event that would be... :cool:

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so let's just get it on. this fight is bigger now than ever. no other opponents left for either fighters at 147. i hope we can see it before the end of the year.

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so many opinions... so many biases...

surely there's one thing we can agree on.

since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.

agreed?;D

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except Floyd signed to fight Pac, Manny wouldnt sign cause of the blood tests. Glad you notice bias in here as well

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right. but under the rules governing boxing if they were to fight he would clearly lose or they would fight. and mayweather keeps saying he wants an even fair fight. well they're both held to the same standards. thats the definition of fair. (uhh... is it?)

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Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.

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It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that. Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked

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Shane didn tthrow because he was fucking tired. Hell he was tired before floyd even did anything. He was too tired to even apply real pressure after he hurt floyd..

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so many opinions... so many biases...

surely there's one thing we can agree on.

since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.

agreed?;D

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:scratchchin: Flawless logic there.

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I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.

I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.

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He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.

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I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.

I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.

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He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.

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Cotto landed cleanly on Pac a few times, there was a reason why Pacquiao got a busted eardrum, I say Floyd wins by UD, no ko.

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I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.

I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.

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He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.

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Cotto landed cleanly on Pac a few times, there was a reason why Pacquiao got a busted eardrum, I say Floyd wins by UD, no ko.

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Yes he did get hit off Cotto, I don't deny that but he is tailor made to get countered all night by Mayweather like he was against a slower less hard hitting JMM and remember this now rjj tszyu has predicted that "Pretty Boy" Floyd "Money" Mayweather will KO Manny Pacquiao. That is providing Pac will agree to prove he is not a cheating little bastard and take the drug tests. I'd have taken them already and tonights fight wouldn't have even been happening, but I am not a sted head either.

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and ended his career in the 2nd.

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This isn't a numbers game... we're not playing with pokemon cards here.

Doesn't matter what round Floyd or Manny KO'd hatton in... styles make fights, it's an old saying but it's been around for a reason.

George Foreman absolutely demolished Joe Frazier... knocked him down like 8 times or something in a few rounds... easy fight.

Now Joe Frazier once beat Ali and twice took him to the wire: 'the closest I've ever been to death' - ali...

That didn't help big George in Ziarre though did it?

Again - styles make fights and I haven't seen anything that Pac does that makes me want to pick him over Floyd, he couldn't crack open Clotteys very orthodox defense, he isn't quicker than Floyd... I don't see a massive difference in power... Floyd maybe even edges it Floyd's boxing brain is on another level.

The reason Manny throughs shots from all angles against guys like Clottey, Hatton and an old weight drained light middle is because he could

Floyd won't allow it, reflexes, ring generalship, positioning etc... really can't give Manny much of a chance.

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I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.

For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.

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A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.

Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and ended his career in the 2nd.

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This isn't a numbers game... we're not playing with pokemon cards here.

Doesn't matter what round Floyd or Manny KO'd hatton in... styles make fights, it's an old saying but it's been around for a reason.

George Foreman absolutely demolished Joe Frazier... knocked him down like 8 times or something in a few rounds... easy fight.

Now Joe Frazier once beat Ali and twice took him to the wire: 'the closest I've ever been to death' - ali...

That didn't help big George in Ziarre though did it?

Again - styles make fights and I haven't seen anything that Pac does that makes me want to pick him over Floyd, he couldn't crack open Clotteys very orthodox defense, he isn't quicker than Floyd... I don't see a massive difference in power... Floyd maybe even edges it Floyd's boxing brain is on another level.

The reason Manny throughs shots from all angles against guys like Clottey, Hatton and an old weight drained light middle is because he could

Floyd won't allow it, reflexes, ring generalship, positioning etc... really can't give Manny much of a chance.

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Good post, but I think that Manny has the power and punching speed to make it a very interesting fight that will test Floyd. I am also one who thinks that MP is using sh*t.

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Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?

Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.

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So, who are your heroes in this regard. Floyd Mayweather is no worse than the culture that spawned him. What decency are you talking about.

There is something cognitively dissonant about people affixing saintly human virtues to an activity of violence produced to sate the cravings of an audience. It is idiotic, it is stupid, and it is demonstrably hypocritical. Morally and decent humans and commercial violence are two mutually exclusive plains of existence. You guys have become so accustomed to retarded trains of thinking and formulations that it reshapes your congitive reality. That God and his Son will ignore all the suffering that takes place in this world in order to give their attention to paid gladiators plying their trade is a manifestation of retarded thinking. That this way of making a living is consistent with human values of decency and morally uprightness is evidence of romantic hallucinations. Wake up!!!